Why does Holla Forums have such a materialistic world view? Materalistic things are literally all you care about...

You're clearly a delusional fool. I sincerely hope Black Lives Matter or some other deeply triggering and problematic organization kills you just for being white.

You can not be a materialist and believe in an immutable human nature irrespective of material conditions.

Nuh-huh information exists, but everything they contain is not real

Our idea is not that race doesn't exist but simply that's it's not a determinant factor in shaping social structure, and when it is it's because some other phenomenons intersected with it. For example, only a very thick biological determinist would say race hierarchies in the Americas would have been the same if the historical use of slave labour was excluded from the equation.

And yes, Tribalism exist, or more specifically existed. When we say we're materialists we usually mean that we consider those forms of government to be constructed and developed out of a particular type of productive forces (our technology, our hability to exploit nature, labour, etc) and relations of production (markets, who owns what, division of labor, etc.) and those two continuously shape governments, ideas, society, values, and all social units to its benefit. Tribalism can't survive on its own without such compatibility with material reality, just like any other notion of how society should be organized. And clearly, in an age of global capitalism it no longer serves a purpose. It's now either a Romantic, utopian idea or just the wrong framework used to interpret social phenomenona that has its roots in material reality, not nature.

I for one am quite spiritual and hippyish! I advocate for the use of art, psychedelics and dialectics as a means of political, social and economic change.

Materialist fallacy:
1.Society is shaped by material conditions
2. We need to revolt to change society
3. Revolution happens, scarcity increases, revolution recedes.
4. N-next time we'll do it right!

Other things can be interesting - I'm watching something fictional even as we speak - but I think any attempt at changing society should be in reality.

*rooted in reality

… which is exactly why you should care about race and tribalism. Multi-ethnic societies are doomed to fail.

To cope and lie to yourself is fine, but to pass that lie for absolute is foolish

Race realism is pretty materialist though - genes determining behavior is the logical conclusion under these mistaken assumptions.

I honestly have no idea what you're implying, comrade.

Because real events have real causes.

I'm an anarcho-communist and egalitarian but also acknowledge the obvious reality of race realism.

I'll let the old man speak for himself:

First, no. Only a moron would look at the history of post-revolutionary countries and say there was no progress in the material sphere. Second, that's because the point of the revolutionary movement that shaped 20th century revolutions, that of Stalin and Lenin, is the idea that productive forces of an epoch don't really need to reach maturity before they're ready for a revolution. This is of course an unorthodox view among Marxists: Plekhanov, the first serious russian Marxist and Lenin's teacher, opposed the Bolshevik revolution because he believed Russia needed bourgeois capitalism. So did most western Marxists, and to a degree even Bolsheviks themselves.

And this is just you being deliberately obtuse and pandering to memes when we're trying to teach you shit.

Tribalism and racial tensions will always exist. It's not just something you can brush off as a spook.

Come on user. I mean, come on.

Interpret it literally, this will just be a fun method of execution reserved for bourgeois politicians after the revolution. death by ballot box.

so feelings have no influence on behaviour? behaviour that affects the material world

feelings originate from the material world

so why are they bad then?

no one said they're bad. just that you can't change a feeling without changing reality

they aren't. But our analysis of the world should begin with the material causes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism
so this is wrong? ideas don't influence society?

Speak for yourself.

I support socialism because I care more about the mere material. Because there is more in life than a working soul-destroying non-job with the purpose of being able to buy consumerist junk you don't need.
Because there are more important things than money, profit, economic growth and consumption.
Because the things I value are family, culture, nature, love, virtue and all those things that do not have explicit value in capitalism because they can't be readily commodified and commercialized.

it's an ouroboros. the material world shapes people who shape ideas which shape society which shape people which shape ideas.

so shouldn't materialism and idealism both be considered valid? maybe try to reconcile the two into a unified philosophy?

ideas influence, shape and reinforce the material world but do not create it, the material world on the other hand creates ideas.

cows and steaks are both valid but that doesn't mean we got cows from steaks