Name a reason why the People's Republic of Donetsk (or Luhansk) are different or less worthy of support than Rojava. They are setting up local councils, seize factories from oligarchs and arming the population while fighting Nazis and NATO-thugs.
I think most of you are just eurocentrics who are spooked about muh Putin. I don't see how US-support for Rojava is totally okay but Russian support for Donbass is, like, "totally fascist".
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Post sources instead of behaving like a faggot.
Supporting a Middle Eastern country (Rojava) over a European one (Donetsk) is Eurocentrism? What?
It's eurocentric because Rojava™ is like officially okay to support because the US is behind it. Supporting Donbass gets you in trouble as you are going against every narrative in the West,
Poster is
A) New as fuck
B) Completely fucking retarded
that's a valid critique but still makes no fucking sense as "eurocentric"
Bourgeois democracy is preferable to fascism.
That's not really what Eurocentrism means, but I get what you are trying to say. Do you have any material proving that Donetsk are /ourguys/?
donetsk didn't Google Bookchin, hth
Why would I want to support a Kremlin puppet? You may say that Rojava is no different because it is supported by the US, however Donetsk is in direct control of Moscow with its "volunteers" and appointed officials, the Rojava is only receiving patronage and will probably be backstabbed the moment ISIS/Assad is dealt with. Besides, nothing really changed in those areas of Ukraine and it's the same shit just different flags, not that I've heard of anyway.
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Frankly this doesn't look communist in the slightest. They have seized factories and are fighting government forces, but the article speaks of >nationalization
I would like to see a serious plan for the region because otherwise this just reeks of Soviet nostalgia without any ideological plan beyond mere nationalism.
lmao, you literally have CIA and US-Soldiers being omnipresent in Rojava
Every newspaper which supports capitalism will call communally owned businesses "nationalized".
Friendly reminder that the USSR was allied with the US during WW2. Rojava and the US being allies against ISIS does not make them an American puppet. It's just choosing the lesser evil, the same thing Tankies do when they pledge their support to the DPRK and its struggle against imperialism.
I support Rojava because they're libertarian socialists fighting to overthrow capitalism and the state. "Pro-russian rebels" are literally just the Russian army fighting for it's imperialist power.
afaik mostly there to train the Kurds. They aren't involved in the decision making in Rojava or are sent to govern.
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I'll never understand certain leftists that support the shit state that is Russia just because they aren't the USA
leftypol has supported Rojava since before the US got involved with it, newfags.
USSR and USA did a strategic alliance on a level playing field.
Rojava is a bunch of kurdish militas in an irrelevant shithole.
I don't know, if you let your kid attend Neonazi concerts, aren't you afraid they're gonna turn Nazi?
I kek'ed. Imagine being this deluded. Bookchin himself wasn't entirely "anti-statist".
I'll never understand certain leftists that support the shit state that is USA just because they aren't Russia
The difference is that the Kurds aren't going to hold a referendum and join the USA once things settle down.
That doesn't make the "argument" better. By the way, there is literally nothing wrong with popularizing Lenin. Overtone window
Too bad the first leads two the second.
You know, being a irrelevant shithole makes you even more dependent on great powers for support, not less.
The USSR's alliance with the US was more significant than Rojava's.
Was it really? I'm sure the USSR would have won without those trucks, maybe a few months later
Because Russia doesn't have plans of world dominations. Just get the land that was once part of the Russian Empire and USSR.
Because Russia doesn't pump out shitty music, films and fast food restaurants all over the world
Because Russia doesn't give money, weapons and military training to terrorists.
We have a common enemy that's all
Can't you just look up what was actually sent and how much? The USSR received a shit ton of aid in form of food, clothing, weapons, tanks, planes, ammunition and so on.
Source on the local councils?
What is the difference between them and someone like Right Sector/Azov Battalion?
Its just Russian nationalists vs Ukrainian nationalism
But in Rojava its the same thing Kurdish nationalists vs Syrian nationalists vs ISIS
Bookchin (later-years) was anti-statist, but not anti-governance. (Hence Communalism)
This meme again. Did you know they changed the name of Rojava because it was too Kurdish? Did you know that Salih Muslim repeatedly stated how the Federation is a solution for all of Syria, and that Ocalan supports DemCon as solution for the middle east and the whole world?
Did you know that the canton are run by locals? That all local languages are being taught in schools?
The YPG even torched the headquarters of a nationalist party because they rejected ethnic pluralism.
Bookchin fags have really internalized their propaganda talking points.
Comes out like a fucking clockwork.
Can't we support both Donetsk and Rojava?
Wow OP this is fucking stupid
Not an argument.
If they're actually socialist? Then yeah, of course.
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I'm just tired of that constant agitprop machine of YPG LARPers and the whole Bookchin meme which feels forced as fuck and basically lets the board look retarded
Meanwhile serious discussion is outsourced at /marx/ because liberals like are being toxic for the radial left
Bookchinfags are the only ones in this thread who actually provide some decent arguments for their views. They commented on both the "muh American puppet" and the "muh Kurdish nationalism", whereas your friends keep repeating these same arguments over and over.
It's run by literal Nazbols connected to white supremacist groups in the US and Europe
im sorry but bear ar dhe argumends :DDDDDDD
Because Russia opposes the main imperial actor, America.
Naive tankies believe Russia is not imperialistic but instead working in the interests of the world's people.
How is it humanly possible to be this delusional? Are tankies an even more retarded version of Holla Forums?
I understand supporting them because muh anti-imp (although I disagree) but thinking that they are leftist in ANY way is retarded. Soviet nostalgia and muh motherland don't equal socialism.
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Some of them say that Russia physically cannot be imperialist because it's developing country resisting Western imperialism.
They believe that because Russia aggresses against Western puppets, it's the underdog fighting oppression around the world.
This is your brain on tankieism.
Well at least these Russian nationalists are not Nazis unlike those completely different Ukrainian nationalists and have both nothing in common.
They're less worthy according to leftypol because this place is dominated by liberal anarkiddies who hate the idea of an actual socialist state
So nationalizing a few factories for the war effort is socialist?
I guess Churchill was a secret commie all along
It's just not as news worthy anymore.
Last year leftypol was all about them and fighting against turning into slime.
I THINK the situation there is more or less stable now, and that's why.
Also, there is a strong anti-russian sentiment in the US and EU… for some reason.. I mean… I thought the cold war was over!
Also, the fact that SOME of them are commies, doesn't make the entire "movement" commie.
I need solid fucking proof that there is societal restructuring in Donetsk in a leftist manner before I can really support them. Nationalization isn't enough. Is their goal socialism? If so absolutely. If not, I don't care.
If you put half as much effort at providing evidence than shrieking liberal at anyone who doesn't agree with you maybe we would support PRD.
Sorry to break it to you OP but the DPR dismissed all of the communist seats in their 'People's Soviet' and constantly persecute communist politicians because the Communist party doesn't play into their idea of a two party democracy of 'nationalist party A' or 'nationalist party B'.
why did he only explain one "project"
What's this from?
Pretty sure it's VICE's Russian Roulette series with Simon Ostrovsky. It's an excellent series actually.
because donetsk is full of russian nationalists who are just as reactionary as ukrainian nationalists. the same cant be said for rojava and isis
Both rojava and donetsk are supported by capitalist waste.
sometimes i catch myself believing both sides are just a ploy to start getting leftists to warm up to the powers that be and eventually convert them to their ideologies.
How the NSA Helped Turkey Kill Kurdish Rebels
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Bombing of Kurds Shows Everything That’s Wrong with U.S. Foreign Policy
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Just leaving this here.
Is it available online
where you drop in your head as a baby, comrade?
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Aren't the SDF backed by both Russia and the US?
tbh I don't know much about it maybe you could expand on the situation instead of being so confrontational
I think they're cool.
How does it feel to be drinking the western Kool-Aid?
Are you even trying?
oh and crucially they aren't flogging the resources or dealing drugs