So does anyone know any Cubans or been there ?

So does anyone know any Cubans or been there ?
What's it like

Met and talked to numerous Cubans, about half of whom have visited Cuba. Some of them are still really butthurt about Castro, but the non-butthurt ones (even ones against Castro) don't have much bad to say about it. Basically just that it's a relatively poor country, but they appreciated the community they saw. They also concede that the healthcare and education and shit are good.

I really want to visit there some day and try to contribute in some small way to their revolution.

I had a neighbor and now old friend who was a Cuban immigrant. He said nothing but good things about Cuba. I've never talked politics extensively with him so I don't know where he stands on Castro and the revolution. For him I think Cuba is a distant nostalgia, I don't know if he has been back since he was a kid (he moved into my apartment building when we were like 10/11 years old.

There was a comrade who visited his family in cuba. He complained that beef was so expensive while posting holiday pictures of a tray with 10kg+ of pig meat that he bought in cuba for fuck all.

theres a guy at my dads work who was cuban, guy left and became an anarchist, when castro died they guy told my dad that castro did some bad and some good

The only bad thing that Castro did was not nuke the US.

what about shit like the purges and the labour camps,

poor people usually have big parties n shit and starve the rest of the month

There were some Cubans on an exchange with my uni,
I made friend of one of them,and although she agreed that Cuba was really poor (she blamed on embargo)
, she was pretty happy about the caountry and she said that healthcare, education and shit was actually good, and also said there people loved there work more in general (I'm an eurofag)

Are you using that because there's no alien flag?

corruption apologists got what they deserved ;) As for the rest moved to the US were is socially accepeted to be corrupted.

i have been in cuba before, i also want to move there once i finish my studies. also i know some cubans so feel free to ask anything

>In the end its a dictatorship with no free speech or civil liberties in b4 some idiot implies these thing aren't really important

Its better then any capitalist Caribbean country, but life in the capitalist west is probably preferable.

freedom of speech for porkies infringes on my own freedom

t. Posadas

there's nothing wrong about Posadas. The world would be far better without USA atm. even with a nuclear winter.

what the fuck is this line of reasoning

It's not so ridiculous. I would say people in countries like Norway, Finland etc. have better lives than people in Cuba.

Yes, while Cuba is a great country compared to most Latin American, not just Carribean countries, they don't have luxuries like travel, internet, 90% of products that come out in the consumer market…

That's the cost of being a socialist nation in a capitalist world, you do not benefit off of the labour of poorer nations like Norway and Finland do.

Those are some of the richest countries on earth. Also they're cold as fuck though.

Yep, I recently went backpacking in southern Cuba for ~3 weeks and I stayed in contact with a few Cubans.

Is there anything more specific you wanted to know about?

how was it? did you have any good communist conversations?

To be blatantly honest; some parts of Cuba were very depressing. I consider myself to be a seasoned traveller but even then, there slums which were too much for me. Particularly in Las Tunas and Santiago de Cuba (we're talking exposed sewer systems). Everyone does have running water and electricity though and their proud of their Electric Revolution as they call it. Class divisions are as real as they are in the rest of Latin America I'm afraid. Just less pronounced.

Absolutely, I never delved too deep into theory as my Spanish and their English didn't really permit it but I did meet an old fellow, a comrade who had lived under Batista and approached me and talked about how better life is under Castro. Also how he and the Cuban people nation-wide volunteered to build up villages which were left devastated after Hurricane Matthew in 2016. He showed me pictures of before and afters etc he was very proud of the national effort to help the vulnerable.

The Cubans have incredible fidelity.

they don't have any bourgeois, so what class divisions?

Also plenty of locals were throwing their fist in the air from their tractors/trucks whenever they would past me on the road. Instead of saying goodbye or see you later they would say viva la revolución to me etc


Wealth passed down through generations from the slave trade era still exist. Small business have gradually opened up in the past 10 years and those business owners however small now, have political power.

vast majority of those got kicked out to Miami.

this seems like a more pressing issue.

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Even if 'the vast majority' were kicked out, whatever remains contains the seeds of class division.

Cuba sucks. Not because gommunizm but because it's fucking poor as hell. It was poor before gommunizm and it's poor now thanks to the US fucking their shit up to make gommunizm look bad.