Why has every attempt at socialist revolution failed?
The USSR got the closest, but its leaders reverted it back to capitalism. I think those days were the only chance for revolutionary socialism to work. How on earth could it possibly happen today? To take on a super power like the USA today? It's not feasible. We missed the bus.
I think the only thing we have to look forward to is waiting for the technology to advance to the point where there's full automation and post-scarcity and capitalism is forced to become more and more SocDem. Just trying to be realistic.
Just look at the fucking state of the major socdem parties in Europe for the last 50 years (well probably further back than that).
Hunter Lee
Scandinavian countries seem pretty comfy. And I'm saying socdem is the only realistic option we can hope for. I don't see how revolutionary socialism is possible in this day and age.
Brody Robinson
Worse than waiting for the revolution tbh.
Sebastian Young
Social Democracy literally does whatever it can to keep Capitalism around. It's better than neoliberal Capitalism, but it's outwardly hostile to Socialist goals.
John Long
Why should we hope for socdem? Porky doesn't want (and have no reason) to give us concessions anymore.
In a full automation scenario, it's more likely for porky to gas all of us instead.
Carson Gonzalez
I'm from Sweden. The only reason the Social Democratic party was as "left" as it used to be was due to the massive labour union pushing them. And even the labour unions hated radicals and were pretty shitty at times. Maybe not at shitty as the Social Democrats.
In the early 1990s they seriously tried to ban striking. In the late 1960s when miners decided to strike because of awful conditions then the labour unions and the state took the side of bourgs (the mining company was even state owned but had a bunch of old bourgs in the leadership). This is just two examples. Since the 1980s they're straight up neoliberals.
William Flores
They were crushed by Tankies or the CIA
Matthew Collins
This. Also by global capitalism.
Daniel Jones
There's no hope is there? It would be harder to do today right?
Dominic Ross
Join Action Front
Juan Martin
Isn't that a Nazi organization?
Jayden Smith
We lose because our leadership betrays us, and because we fail at holding them to account. Our leadership betrays us because being a leader in a capitalist society is a lot better for them than being first among equals in a socialist society. (Socdems have the same problem, mind you, look at Greece.)
It's the kind of thing that makes me think the anarchists have a point about organization, but organizing a worker's movement that's both non-hierarchical enough to protect itself from elite subversion and effective enough to bring about revolution is not an easy task.
Jaxson Hall
Daily reminder that SocDem politicians are just capitalists leeching a part of left leaning voters and do more harm than good.
Jordan Wood
Creating capitalist institutions was one of the main goals of the revolution and the russian marxists.
Parvus said something similar in like, the turn of the 19th to the 20th century. Every generation feels that uprising is now impossible because of the gap between popular and military strength, but they neglect the fact that no serious insurgency happens without support from at least some of the army.
Relations of production don't change automatically once productive forces evolve. You can have all the technology necessary for transforming society (we probably already have) but as long as the classes that got rich out of wage labor, market relations and private property remain power, that's what we'll have.
Carter Collins
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Nathan Brooks
okay? so what do we do?
James Jones
Rojava is a U.S. puppet that will be wiped out once they are of no use
Leo Allen
By whom? Nobody is in a position to do anything.
James Murphy
Assad and Syria
James Long
I think the issue of the State potentially becoming so entrenched as to be impossible to abolish is, at least, worthy of consideration. What happens when armed humans are no longer needed to defend property rights?
Caleb Gonzalez
you mean yeltsin staged a coup
Hudson Bailey
But Yeltsin was fairly elected?
Ryder Fisher
Papa Doc was fairly elected.
Asher Cruz
Now I KNOW you're just trolling
David Davis
I'm not trolling and I could be ignorant. Could you explain?
Hunter Bailey
America hacked their election.
Julian Lewis
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Oliver Gonzalez
Source? Did they hack the vote tallys? What happened
Medvedev admitted to the opposition behind closed doors that the '96 election was rigged in Yeltsin's favor. I'm actually not sure if he authentically won his first election.
Nathan Stewart
SocDems are liberals with a red tie.
This
Landon Young
Because power has a nasty tendency towards self-preservation and people have a nasty tendency to want and maintain their own power. Revolutions lead to power vacuums, which is why they never produce anything but replace one group of rulers with another.
Jaxson Sanders
So instead let's just keep the old rulers and hope they piss a little wealth down to us proles.
Brayden Gonzalez
This. Under capitalism there will always be a fight between workers interest and porky's interest. There's no rest, if you look the other way they screw you and take away all the "rights" they gave you. It's constant risk and struggle.
