As someone who's been drifting to the left on fiscal issues for the past two years or so, I'm interested in the perspective of economic Leftists on something.
Why is it that we don't see more Leftwing movements intertwined with ethnonationalism, hardliner "moralists", etc. Nazbol, Christian Distributism, Peronism (arguably), Corporatism (to an extent), have all either not left the realm of paper, or are completely dead and/or subverted at this point.
tl;dr: What is it about most leftist movements, especially in the postmodern era, that reflective of the belief that middle-class economic advocacy and racial/cultural/religious etc. advocacy are mutually exclusive?
how about you read some literature instead of expecting the adults to explain every little fucking thing to you
James Ward
Marxism is materialist, so to mix it up with religion and/or nationalism is to engage in revisionism of the highest order. However, there are Christian socialists and nazbols, but those will probably never leave the realm of meme politics, especially the latter.
There are also religious anarchists, but in my time in this board I have yet to see the first, so they probably aren't very widespread.
Xavier White
The reason race is irrelevant to almost all leftist parties is because class is something that transcends race. Not all Jews are rich, just as not all blacks are poor. Our status as exploited workers is something that binds us, and racism is just a distraction.
Andrew Rodriguez
fuck the middle class. the proletarian / neet alliance will rule the world.
Hunter Ross
Who told you about our secret club, and what hacks did you use to access it?
Carson Jenkins
Socialists generally run into enough trouble without having to worry about anything other than class, from the first meeting to capturing the state you're going to be facing heavy opposition, so there's no point expanding your list of potential enemies.
Cooper Bailey
I was hoping for a concise summary and a few authors/names to delve into. I was hesitant to use the word "read," because I didn't want someone to inevitably come in and direct me to the reading list sticky. I had hoped it was implied, apparently you missed it, though.
By all means, recommend something to me.
Marxists not championing racial or moral issues, I understand. I'm just curious regarding (and slightly disheartened about) the apparent impossibility of things like Nazbol, Asserism, Christian Socialism, etc.
You are right in that other races are just as exploited; however, why should their status as exploited workers render race/culture an irrelevant detail? Sure there are shared interests, but black interests aren't my interests. The interests of moral degenerates (ie, unwed mothers) aren't my interests either.
Sure there's common cause, but it just seems odd that to become a proper leftist, one has to (at least pretend to) be okay with degenerates dragging down society, being displaced by others, etc.
I clicked the board out of curiosity a while back, after browsing through the cesspit that is Holla Forums's Holla Forums.
Owen Ortiz
(Normally I'd spoonfeed, but I have to get up early.)
Just lurk around a bit. read literature, read the PDFs and links thrown about here. Also I don't know how half/pol/ is these days, but be prepared to called out on your views. This is not a hug-box/safe space.
Can the resident leftcoms step up and point OP in the right direction?
Juan Smith
I'm more than happy to defend and argue them. Half/pol/'s been garbage lately anyway.
Every thread that has the potential to be worthwhile inevitably gets derailed due to the re-litigation of the existence of race, harmful effects of promiscuity, etc. thanks to r/the_Donald moderates coming over and trying to impose civic nationalism and cultural libertarianism.
Henry Wright
And what are black interests? White interests?
Stop with with the identity politics
Nicholas Foster
YPG, Vietcong, Zapatistas
Nobody here cares about the middle class it doesn't exist. We're not socdems.
Ian Perry
I can't speak for the blacks, for whites, it's the retention of culture and an unquestioned ethnic majority. Considering the opinion polling conducted on "white identity" a few months back, I'm assuming this will become more apparent over time.
Lincoln Foster
don't be so pretentious user
Ryan Turner
Because moralism is bourgeoisie user.
James Hernandez
don't feed these people's infantile inability to learn by themselves
James Sanders
Leftist views are primarily about ending exploitation, while things like ethnonationalism and to a lesser extent religion can be used as justification for exploiting outside groups. You can still be religious or care about your community, but using them as justification to shit on outside groups doesn't really mesh well with the general idea of left-wing socioeconomics. Do you think its reasonable to treat people as a hivemind or do you think they should be judged as individuals?
Culture is constantly changing as time goes on- I can understand disliking some elements of other cultures but expecting it to remain static is just silly. And can you please explain why you feel being the ethnic majority particularly matters as long as nobody is using it as justification to exploit another group? Does it affect your life in any way if some weeb decides to marry his Azn waifu?
Carter Moore
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Caleb Ramirez
I attacked an abridged version of the Capital and some ramblings about capitalism from a guy called Mark Fisher which you may or may not find interesting.
If you are interested in Marxism-Leninism in particular, this covers the basics:
The first is antithetical to leftism. True middle class economic advocacy is basically what social liberalism does; the idea that someone making 400000 dolleridoos a year is not wealthy.
As to the latter point, you have not been paying attention. Marine Le Pen, Golden Dawn, and a host of other far right groups are promising exactly that, a more racist welfare state.
Asher Hill
I'm white and those aren't my interests. That's not to say that if they were the natural state of things I would try to reverse them, but it's simply not a concern of mine.
My interests are, materially, improving wages and housing, and safety conditions for work.
My interests morally are stopping the bombing of other countries and ending mass surveillance.
My cultural interests are promoting admission-free museums, good funding for libraries, and making sure rents where I live stay low enough to allow musicians and artists to live here, so I can listen to their music and see their art (this is intertwined with the issue of housing).
You're very vague in what you mean by "white interests." What is white culture, to you, and how do you try to retain it ans what do you think the threats to it are and how are they threatening it?
Evan Hill
You're an arsehole. How do you expect to get people on board with that attitude? kill yourself, I want Nazi drifting left more than I want you faggot elitism
Camden Johnson
NAZBOL PARTY
Kevin Carter
I'm sick of people from /r/socialism and /r/fullcommunism coming here
Grayson Wood
OP, ethnonationalist leftism isn't popular IRL because right-wingers generally hate leftism and leftists don't generally buy into cultural explanations for social issues. There's a lot of nationalist leftists online tho, so idk.
Benjamin Carter
kys
Carson Ward
their pathological altruism aint my problem, pal
Wyatt Foster
You should truly read this essay on Nationalism OP. It will make you see that all the muh white males bullshit of SJWs is derived from a similar logic to nationalism.
