What is Holla Forums's stance on Zionism

Is Holla Forums Zionist or anti-Zionist? Or are there mixed opinions

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are you fucking kidding me with this shit

Pretty sure 99% of people here are against identity politics

Israel has no right to exist (nor does any nation).

It's cancer. Countries should be created through war, revolution, not by a fucking UN resolution.

I hope he dies

White supremacy by a different name.

Yes they do.

Anti.
Most of the European left is even Pro Palestine.

NEXT.

Most are against in some sense or another, but more Antideutsch types post around here when compared to other leftist spaces due to the nature of the board.

What's with all the Holla Forums bait lately?

Holla Forums seems to have a lot more Holla Forums posting, for some reason.

So wait, what do we with potential Israeli refugees?

Scenario 1: after collapse of EU banking and petrodollar, Canada goes socialist, annexes USA, unites EU, and gobbles up South America, Australia, New Zealand and Russia. What do we do about Israel?

I've never seen those types post here.


Israel's demographics will destroy itself (Millions of unproductive ultra-religious settler leeches).

Good riddance

Jewish people have the right to exists, and the right to the state of Israel. The wall was the best thing for the Palestinian people, considering the fact they won't assimilate, and constantly attack the IDF

round up IDF and zionist collaborators and execute them

800k, actually out of 8.6mil


Doesn't IDF have conscription for women as well? Does that mean every single jewish Israeli is a Zionist?

i dont care if they're zionists or who they recruit, the idf is a terrorist organization and it must be destroyed

Wrong, no nations have a right to exist, and rights are, in the first place, a bourgeois fiction. It is the role of the Communist movement to abolish all nations.

You haven't been here very long, there is one YPG poster who is very pro Israel around here, who strawmans people who are critical of Zionism as Third Worldists.

Something like pic related ideally (well, not as a parliamentary republic then ofc). Prob not gonna happen tho

ftfy

You think the muslims won't hesitate to commit genocide against Israel?

will*

Soviets used to be in favor of it, under a set of conditions. Such as a secular federal republic for palestinians and jews.
The West pushed for a jewish state, the arab nations and its reactionary clerics attacked it. While in the beginning there was some support for Israel, soon nothing of it was left as Israel had proven itself to grow into the sole aggressor.

It didn't happen in South Africa, where opression against blacks was even worse. The first thing that will have too go away though is islamism, only a secular movement like the PLO back in the 70s can act as a convincingly reconciling force in the area.

Have you checked on South Africa recently?

independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/south-africa-murder-rate-51-killed-every-day-rise-49-per-cent-a7224176.html

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telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/03/jacob-zuma-calls-confiscation-white-land-without-compensation/

Did Mandela sent off the whites as first executive order? Like in Angola, Mozambique, Algeria etc. etc.

national liberation is a necessity for socialism
yes, nation-states were constructed by the bourgeoisie, but you cannot just erase them overnight. first, the working class much topple the bourgeois nation-states of the world, then pursue internationalism. only once all existing antagonisms between nationalities are resolved can we do away with the concept of the nation.

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anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic

Same, I love the Palestinians.

Anti-Zionist. We're against idpol. None of this "Africa for the Africans" or "Europe for the Europeans" or "Asia for the asians" etc.

I don't consider myself anti-Zionist since the term has been coopted where I live by actual anti-Semites (muh Soros, muh Jewish banker #876, Holohoax ). But I generally agree with everyone ITT.

So you are anti marxist? Because that is inherently idpol, just not about ethnicity.

rly makes you think

Zionists get the bullet, its that simple.

The concept of class is idpol.

Gas those fucking kikes and dissolve the so-called "State of Israel", hand it back to the Palestinians

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hmm classic Palestinians coming out of nowhere and refusing to assimilate…..they should go back to wherever they came from imo

how do you 'attack' someone occupying your country?

fuck off jidf

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ftfy

1. A genocide is already taking place, and it's not by Muslims you wanker.

2. Create a binational state where power-sharing prevents that from happening. It's literally the only way, we've been stalling on this shit since Oslo failed and it's only going to get harder the longer it takes for someone to do this.

Fuck off JIDF scum, you can't slide this thread you fucking Jewish snake

you can't be a leftist and call yourself pro-zionist

its like a leftist saying he is pro facism/nazi

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I don't think there should be a Jewish nation-state but I also don't think there should be an independent Palestine. The two-state solution has failed hard and the only real way to solve anything is to have a secular state encompassing the whole area.

Make the entire world Israel.

Except Israel is now stateless and not exclusively Jewish.

Also they are communist, and aren't called Israel anymore.

Fuck off fag

Zionism should be opposed in all forms.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379

now that's not a very christian thing to say

As probably the only Palestinian ITT I just wanted to say, kindly fuck off to Holla Forums. The Israel boycott movement would be nothing without the hard work and genuine solidarity from Jews like Illan Pappé, Miko Peled and Anthony Lowenstein.

Either support our fight because you universally support the rights and dignity of human beings, or quit embarrassing yourself.

Or go on being a shill if that's what's happening.

This is less of a "should" and more of a current reality / shitty inevitability

You'll be gassed too kike lover

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ahaha man I hope you're either Mossad or the Mossad gets you

unlike Holla Forums, we are anti-zionist

Honestly? Jews have to go somewhere. They've been occupying Palestine for 50 odd years now, communities have been formed, people have been born there, etc. If you expel the Jews now, you're just doing a reverse Nakba. So Israel should probably stay in some capacity for purely humanitarian reasons.

At the same time, how they are treating the Palestinians is a fucking travesty and it has to end.

Israel within the 67 border, E-Jerusalem to the PA, compensation in money in stead of right to return, UN-mandated international coalition to keep the peace.

Hence why they flooded their countries with the sword of judiasm; muslims.

Jerusalem should be internationally administered tbh, like it was planned initially. Tel-Aviv and Ramallah make perfectly good capitals without having to permanently cement the division of Jerusalem.

This is the crux of leftism, you people feel compelled to have an opinion about fights between different elements of international bourgeoisie. Anti-imperialism was a huge mistake and Lenin would be mortified to see how his writings are used today to justify nationalist sentiments.

Who is this idiot and why should I care what he says?


Actually, you can and must.

Imagine actually believing that

no way to be a Zionist and a leftist

Labor Zionism is Not Socialism

It's no one's country. The Zionists have as valid a claim to the Fertile Crescent as anyone else. What makes it their country?

I doubt it, the Zionists would strike first.

Anti-Zionist, but not Pro-Palestine as it currently exists. I don't feel the need to like Muslim fundamentalists that secretly wish for a second Holocaust just because they are currently oppressed by Zionist Israel.

I don't want to defend Israel, but if Palestine had the power Israel currently does, the Jews of Israel would be gone in three seconds. Palestine is an oppressed nation, but an awful one. Let us not forget that neither of the sides in this conflict are worth supporting.

Has it not occurred to that that might be precisely because Palestine does not have the power Israel currently does?

I hate Israel and I hate Zionists. Especially the ones that promote patriotism, American Exceptionalism and tell minorities like Native-American and blacks that they ain't owed shit for what society puts them and their ancestors through, but then shill for ( ( ( The Holy Land ) ) ) and go as far as calling Obama an antisemite for not giving another completely different country in The Middle East enough gibs me dat in aid and military support when the people they're killing and stealing land from fight back.

Basically, I hate Ben Shapiro…and Dennis Prager…and Sam Harris. Death to Israel!

Not to mention the Israeli government gets more shekels from American taxpayers than it does from Israelis themselves. Hell, just a few months ago a deal was made which is gonna give ( ( ( The Only Democracy In The Middle East ) ) ) something like $25 billion over the next 10 years for their military. Parasites, I tell you. Parasites!

let them be driven into the sea

But that's true and to protest that is COINTELPRO idpol.
Does Shapiro even have political views? Whenever he talks, all I hear is white noise. The man's simply a coward and an idiot.
A discussion I'd like to have is how even nominally leftist Jews consider themselves justified in their nationalism, and how it's a western cultural trait instead of a matter of upbringing, as even people who were never brought up as Jews and did not know that they were ones, like Hitchens, suddenly drop all of their previous convictions that contradicted with Zionist stances once they learn the truth, even if the truth is laughably irrelevant, like Hitchens being less of a Jew than Yank blacks are white, but I'm too sleepy for that.

It's not when you consider how hypocritical that stance is when it's coming from a Zionist "American". Shapiro downplays the historical and contemporary struggles of blacks and Native-Americans by constructing a narrative that they're violent, lazy, always looking for a handout, that their higher rates of poverty are cuz they lack """personal responsibility""" and that American institutionalized racism dindu nuffin, but then supports whatever politician gives Israel the most in weapons, military support and tax Dollars cuz "muh holocaust" which America wasn't even involved in.

Right-wing Jews are full of hypocrisy and care more bout Israel than America or non-Jewish Americans.

President of Algeria who was friendly with Arab nationalists

Would have been far better if he didn't spaghetti he was talking about Israel right at the beginning and finished it with

How am I supposed to feel about this?

What is it with this board and their love of Arab nationalism

It was semi class concious and way better than Islamism. Plus ya know, sympathy for the victims of US imperialism

I remember when i first came to this board I looked at the FAQ thread and it specifically said that people here were not pro-Israel. I did this because in grade-school they taught me to read instructions before use.

Hmm stumped us there. Maybe it has to do with having lived there the past 1000 years?

Good job not taking a side my dude

Hating "Jews" is spooky no matter what. Fuck off.

Of course hating Jews is spooky you dumb shit.

The key is getting it to stop. Israelis hold equally murderous attitudes towards innocent Palestinians (google support for Operation Cast Lead) and yet I doubt Americans are able to call out "anti-Palestinianism".

My point was that Palestinians have legitimate grievances, which has led to some of them holding sad and fucked up views about Jews, which none of them would have held in the pre-Zionist, pre-Herzl era. Address the grievances and the sentiment will change.

Of course the Israeli PR machine loves to push the meme that Muslims want the genocide of Jews by default (totally ignoring Muslim countries as safe havens during European persecution) so I doubt I'm getting through to you.

Zionism has a meaning that evolved over time. What are you defining it as? Israel s basically an ethno-religious nationalist state. It's surprising you don't see more of Holla Forums support it because it follows their ideology pretty closely.

Indeed.

Makes you wonder, given Israel's current behavior.

Same, jews are fucking based imho. I got kicked out of Holla Forums for saying this.

Useful as a containment zone for Jews so they shit up ME instead of Europe.

They are also bullying Ethiopian Jews.
They also have spooky reason for it, since the Jewish religion runs on the 12 tribes ideology, but having a persistently large community in Ethiopia would actually mean, that one of Jacob's kids banged a niggress.

They can't deal with it.

Because you are looking only at ideology through a universalist lens. The enemy is still the enemy. It's like saying Alexander the Great should support Darius because he's a fellow king and military commander. That's not how it works.

Also, Israel isn't an ethno-state in the traditional sense. It's more of a centralized hub from which world jewry is orgnized. It also acts as a safe harbor for jews after they've pushed the states they parasitize past the breaking point. Jews in France advocate for mass arab immigration and open borders, and then leave to Israel when the fruits of their labor unfold, for example.

Jews look down to Whites like Whites look down to Niggers.
You are all Niggers to them and Christian European's reaction toward them back then was no different in behaviour than that of a black Zimbabwean to a white Rhodesian.

They are shitting up Europe pushing mass immigration.

The difference is that Jews don't create stable societies. They only parasitize others.

Jews need white societies to live off of.
Whites do not need blacks.

Because they are a minority and can't. Before Israel, to rule and own land, you pretty much need an army and they were too much in disarray to organise one and stomp a hapless OPM. Also they ad no clear leadership. Don't get me wrong, they would have i they cold and they finally got what they want with the help of the USA and the UK, but back then it was simply not a possibility.

Correct, you just need their muscle, their work force, their lands and their resources.
First two became useless with the abolishment of slavery and know all white supremacists basically hope that a cataclysm wipes them from the face of Africa, for a more efficient exploitation.

Israel isn't even a self-sustainable country. They only survive because of the massive direct and indirect funding and support that ZOG Occupied Government tricks Americans into giving them.

No we don't.

You mobile phone with a lithium battery imported from Angola says the opposite retarded dumb fuck

Why couldn't they have a Jewish homeland in some remote uninhabited place where it wouldn't bother anyone else?

Pic related wouldn't be possible without Congolese Coltan.

Read that shit up.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_industry_of_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo#Active_extraction_phase

We don't need niggers. They're just a detriment. They just so happen to live on a resource-rich continent that they squander. It'd be better if we wiped them out all and colonized it with whites.

I tried pointing out to an Israeli how much Israel mistreats and discriminates against European Jews and Palestinians and I got an essay long rant on how I'm just buying into media lies and I pointed out it's an Israeli source and they just endlessly harassed me.

israelis are fanatics. they have an "under-siege" mentality and can't stand any sort of criticism

it's a sick country full of sick, deranged people. pray they don't finally lose all sanity and start nuking everyone around them

Did you mean African Jews, because Sephardi and Ashkenazim are European.

VERY pro zionist, but they'll never realize it