What do leftcoms think about the DSA?

What do leftcoms think about the DSA?

I feel like the visceral hatred tankies have toward them is irrational, because MLs are barely more socialistic

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It's shit, like almost every other organisation. More than any other type of org that is implicitly just a fresh new flavour of social democracy wrapped in democratic fetishim, it's also not worth being infiltrated or steered away from its destiny to fail because it has almost no proletarian character.

Why are you asking what left communists specifically think of it?

Love them, they're raising class awareness in America and getting socialists elected.

hurr anything that isn't FOLGSC is shit
this type of thinking is like throwing an autistic child into a fart party and expecting him to enjoy himself. It will take years of training and easing into social interaction for him to accept it.

*frat party lmao

I think they are taking the momentum that sanders started and turning it into a actual movement. Hopefully they go more left or destigmatize socialism to burgers. They are still basicly just socdems at this point.
Leftcoms think they are opportunist trash.

I'm assuming this refers to the whole "fully automated…" ebin reddit maymay, in which case no. Aside from the problems with such a concept the DSA is entirely shit on its own.

Ahhahahahahaha.

It's liberalism.

Not in the tankie "everyone who disagrees with me is a liberal" way, I mean it's literally liberalism. Identity politics, class collaboration and all.

"Democratic Socialism" is just benign welfare capitalism. It's only revolutionary in the US because Americans are the most classcucked people on earth and would literally start killing themselves en masse if a socialist government came to power.

Because some people keep shilling for some sort of "caste system" amongst the left

For them, leftcoms are like the scholar caste and tankies are the warrior caste.

DSA is good because there's only two real options:

1. They succeed, which would lead to, at least in my opin, looking at their 2016 manifesto, a transitional market-socialist/democratic confederalist society that would frankly be closer to actual socialism than the USSR ever got.

2. They fail due to the establishment fucking them over, and large portions of their following radicalize further.

The only danger is that they weaken their stances to be succdem instead of marksoc/demconfed; as such, I think it's important for leftists, especially those left of DSA, to join/support it in order to prevent this from happening. While they do have a good deal of idpol, their actual policies around it aren't stupid tbqh. So long as DSA keeps its ideological backbone as it currently exists, it is a useful entity.

I'll take a DSA comrade over a leftcom faggot any day of the week.

where are the proofs jimmy?

Additionally, *someone* has to move the overton window, you know. Even if DSA isn't the answer, it's important to normalize the concept of socialism to americans before any more radical strains can become popular.

You're high if you think this isn't inevitable. It's already started to happen in local sects, at most they delete social media posts after the backlash.

Have fun getting bullied into irrelevance by idpol cultists.

I've never seen a post with more autistic larping than this one.

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It's not like tankies have any knowledge of theory.

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Nice meme friendo

I'm essentially a "leftcom," or at least others call me that because I think maybe we should try being very well-read on communism before we suggest a new system.

Regardless, the DSA's growth shows that culture is becoming more accepting of things at least nominally left. I won't join them or anything, but they're likely useful at spreading some semblance of class consciousness.

Socdem is the furthest one can go in bourgeois democracy.


oh god

I'd say tankies are more untouchables honestly

I like the DSA, but they are still socdems

internationalist.org/berniesandersandpressurepolitics1506.html

Trot (who I consider leftcom - only struggle is class struggle) opinion on berndoggie sandäars

fucking lol, harold wilson (PM in the 60s and 70s) was literally the king of British socdems. Even Tony Benn the supposedly lunatic socialist was more of an autarky-supporting co-operative fetishist.

labour were unambiguously socdem at every election from 1951 to 1979, in the 1980s/early 90s it betrayed social democracy for neoliberalism. (also, Blair didn't remove all references to socialism: Labour membership cards explicitly say that they are a "democratic socialist party") nationalising random bits and pieces of the means of production doesn't stop you being a social democrat.

if you wanted to attack labour when they were still socdems, you could always go to their dying days when the IMF made them implement proto-neoliberalism after 1976. but then that would require actually knowing the history of the party instead of just repeating received wisdom. (or i mean the image creator could always have pointed out that the social democratic party was split from labour in the early 1980s, helping to fuck things up more, since that would at least pass a namecheck…)

Liberals infected with idpol and shit memes

top kek

What the fuck even is DSA? What do they do?
its not a political party, so do they just spread some propaganda or ??

Is any org better?

I'm asking about leftcoms because you guys also hate 95% of the people who shit on DSA (the tankies)

How?

DSA distributes literature, organizes rallies, endorses candidates, engages in local politics etc

They behave like any other socialist org but they don't run presidential candidates

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I honestly like that strategy, too bad DSA are socdems.

In the U.S. it the most foreseeable form of leftism the general public here will accept, and before they can see their bourgeois democracy for what it really is and use revolutionary methods to overtake it.

I don't see it as liberal to back DSA because the organization at least socialist at it's core but not in its methods. I see them as the best chance to breed grounds for revolution before it is too late.

Current events to take advantage of:
> RT- Is socialism America's most powerful political force? youtube.com/watch?v=RiV-aR8wuEU

>51% of young Americans oppose capitalism according to a 2016 Harvard poll: nationalreview.com/article/445882/socialism-polls-indicates-its-alarming-rise-public-opinion

Said the liar

They have very good interaction with the communities they are in and I think it is important to reveal the human side of socialism rather than have this perception of revolution and bloody class struggle people tend to have.

People in the US don't know what class is

I love DSA, especially their Swag shop™, where I can buy quality items like Dump Trump Shirt™(available in all sizes!) and Special Edition Anti-Islamophobia Button™
I have no doubt this party is composed of toiling workers fighting against the capital in their workplaces rather than a circlejerk of humanities students posting leftoid memes on twitter in their spare time!

Combat DSA opportunists!

Campaign for Zuckerberg/Musk 2020 UBI and Full Automation!

The DSA would make a killing selling armchairs to you.

Leftcoms oppose any kind of organization, afaik, because they don't want a mediator between capital and the workers (eg. "worker" parties, vanguards, unions, …), since they see this as a first step towards corrupting a revolution.

Leftcoms, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still learning.


:^(

It shows pretty clearly who's their target audience and which issues they consider important, not to mention all that merchandise looks fucking gay, if Democrats made a "Swag shop"(I feel bad just for typing it), it'd be featured on every single liberal cringe thread.

Can you link to this manifesto please?

libcom.org/library/3-leninism-ultra-left
Try reading the "Party or Council?" part for some elaboration. Or the entire book, it's always better go in-depth.

zuck scares the fuck out of me tbqh

Just finished reading that half an hour ago, m8. Was just trying to apply what I read.

He dips a bit into the uncanny valley.

There is a big focus on organized labor in their actual activities. That said, there's nothing wrong on principle with trying to bring liberals into the fold. We should be targeting everyone.

They also have plenty of swag saying "fight for democracy, fight for socialism" and pic related.

You can argue its cringe, but so is most promotionally merchandise

They're socialists