Based Zukerberg introducing Universal Basic Income

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read Marx, anarkiddie

Basic Income saves capitalism and the porkies. Of course a rich supports it.
When the fuck did Marx support basic income ?

Basic income will be the savior of capitalism. How the fuck is this based is beyond me.

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And he ain't doing it outta charity. He's prolly tryna run for president or just knows what's gotta be done to keep the masses of unemployed proletarians from rebelling after automation really takes off cuz they ain't got nothing to lose.

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Basic income is economic nationalism.

Hey Holla Forums, whatcha doin?

Imagine actually going against your self-interest just because you think that's what creates the conditions for #revolution lol

This tbh. I'll take free money any day over a hypothetical revolution

The problem with universal is that it's universal, a negative income tax would be much better.

With Universal Healthcare and Education, and free housing of course.

Haha fuck basic income am I right? Can't pacify the working classes. Fuck minimum wage too and affordable healthcare, in fact, fuck paying workers at all. When all the workers are dead and dying of disease and starvation then we'll have communism, it's accelerationism, read a book.

Only if there're jobs to go round no?

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Today, I will remind them!
Don't forget to activate the subtitles.

It's funny how some pseudo-marxisms you find online have become the biggest tool of self-inflicted class cuckoldry there are.

The SWEAT pledge is nothing when compared to an illiterate 19 year old "marxist's" anti-reformism.

No you fuck off back to r/FullCommunism you autistic LARPing faggot. I bet you're wearing your red army cosplay right now you fucking faggot.
Kill yourself.

Reserve army of labor is no longer a reserve army if everyone has access to an unconditional wage and is not forced to get any work under any shitty condition.

I've seen you repeat this point again and again in these threads, but the idea that UBI will inevitably mean the loss of welfare is just a figment of your imagination. Besides that, we're losing welfare anyway.

Explain, I'm curious of how welfare provides bargaining power, at least in a sense that basic income doesn't. Basic income means pressure off the labor market and no more "work or die" scenarios, which second to unions is the biggest tool for bargaining power working people have.

UBI VR porn and IV soylent rations under the benevolent all seeing eye of empereor zucc. This is your future. fuck revolution, am i right? the zucc will take care of you.

have fun with your welfare capitalism

Friot's works are very interresting, not a chance that it becomes popular on leftypol though.

Someone should have explained Marx and Engels that, it would have saved them the trouble of fighting for electoral activity and partisan politics for nearly 40 years

Funny, because there was more revolutionary potential in the days of welfare capitalism than in our shitty neoliberal dystopia.

it will be worse than welfare capitalism, you think the zucc is just gonna give you full communism out of the goodness of his heart? fucking no. Capitalism will still be a thing, we are gonna get full lotus eater neo feudal platform capitalism. and maybe the extermination of the proletariat at soon as it becomes an obstacle to further accumulation.

Funny, because there was more actual revolutionary potential in the days preceding both social democracy and neoliberalism combined.

Value form and surplus extraction will still exist, revolutionary potential won't be drowned because I won't die without healthcare or don't starve on minimum wage.

When did these "days of welfare capitalism end?

People will live too comfortable lives they won't want to do revolution

comfortable lives, yeah, like fat chickens in a VR factory farm. destined for the slaughterhouse. The sudden outburst in sillicon valley technoworship i've seen on here really pisses me off. seems defeatist as fuck

Who said that: an evil capitalist or a teenage socialist?

Zuckerberg must be combated. We cannot surrender to passivity, we got to counteract Zucc propaganda and push for a mass radical left movement. Zuckerberg's a megalomaniac greasy tech reptoid porky. what makes you think he has our best interests in mind? Even if this UBI shit is not pure talk, it will result in unprecedented enslavement to the commodity form. Remember, he owns Facebook, which is basically a laboratory for creepy post neoliberal mechanisms of control.

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CAN'T CUCK THE ZUCC

are the zuckerberg shills for real or just invaders from /r/futurology or something? this is not communism, this is not a good future. just 'waiting it out' for technocratic sillicon valley imperium is the apex of passivity. The left was supposed to be about humanity taking control of its own destiny, not about becoming a mere accessory to the machine forever trapped in facebook's VR sponsored content wonderland. Humans can do so much more, we don't have to live in Zuckerberg's world

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This seems very interesting, would you care to give a tl;dr of lifelong salary and how it is different to UBI?

It's you who needs to read Marx you fucking LARPing liberal.

Oh wow. And I'm against UBI too, but the welfare state is even shittier.

Temporarily embarrased millionaires will actively reject this even if it would've saved their lives. Besides, it's not sustainable with the current level of US spending.

Zukerberg's shadow wears a top hat, but I'm sure that he has our best interest at hearth.

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UBI will just be used as an excuse to gut already existing welfare programs.

Marxists on this board have to be the most autistic cancer-mancers ever. They actually think, especially in this day and age, that eventually we'll just have a quick revolution after things get bad enough and then it'll all be cool. No fuck you, if there's going to be a revolution it has to be a mix of solidarity, mutual aid, organization, unionizing, protesting, violence, and as lame as it may sound to you autistic LARPERS, voting. Left unity is the only option, like it or not. And no I'm not defending Zuckerberg or saying you should vote for him over someone like Sanders, but not fighting for things to empower the working class like UBI is counter revolutionary and just takes us backwards.

Michael Heinrich is exactly how I imagine the typical leftcom. Always wearing black sweaters, no humor, receding hairline, strong accent.

My sides are in orbit

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Why does leftypol oppose UBI and support Corbyn ?

I doubt these are the same people. We are not of one accord on almost anything.

because Corbyn doesn't run one of the biggest tumors that is killing everything good about the internet and increasingly in meatspace too?

UBI doesn't empower workers, it just let's the state grab a firmer hold of their balls. The only thing it can truly say it does, is provide an authentic choice in work, that is, they no longer have to work or starve. it still puts them at the mercy of our capitalist overlords.

pragmatism
corbyn represents a shift to the left while UIB is life support for the dying system.
or so I imagine, I sort of support UIB, and don't really follow bong politics closely enough to have an opinion on Corry.
The UIB is mostly bullshit, but I hope it can foster a sense of entitlement to other peoples things.

I don't have a single article of black clothing besides a few pair of socks and underwear, am actually very funny and despite being eastern European have adopted an English accent that makes everyone ask whether I'm British or was raised there. I do have a slightly receding hairline which I inherited from my father, though.

McDonnell supports basic income and Corbyn said he would investigate it, I mean it's probable that they implement it if they win.

Kek, here's a memeified version

literally you

ITT a bunch of edgy trust fund kids mad that the proles will have the economic security they've always had because of muh future revolution

U be sayin we gets free mony n shit?

This is getting a suspicious amount of attention on this board alone, reeks of hired operatives hyping a new Celebrity Presidential Candidate.

From a transformative perspective, a reform that improves the lifes in the here and now is good if it doesn't create obstacles on the path towards the future we want. It is unclear whether UBI even fits the part about the here and now, as that depends on how high it is relative to the services that are to be gutted, and it also depends on other things.

How does UBI work with migration? It doesn't, really. You either have 1. extremely restrictive migration and the people in the country are equal with respect to UBI or 2. there are a lot of immigrants and the "U"BI does not apply to them. How does UBI work with paying rent? Wouldn't UBI amount to a license to print money for landlords? How is UBI even justified? Will we run out of jobs due to automation? That's often said, but the actual evidence for that is piss-poor: epi.org/publication/the-zombie-robot-argument-lurches-on-there-is-no-evidence-that-automation-leads-to-joblessness-or-inequality/

I do not want to support people with my work who are capable of work and don't work themselves. It should be illegal to make a living as a landlord or from owning stocks. I support a general reduction in working hours. Capable people should be forced to do generic work. Nothing particularly hard, and certainly not long hours, just something like ten hours a week. And if they refuse to do even that, they should be shot, whether their name is Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates, or whatever.

Someone explain this to me: UBI is bad because it delays the revolution by alleviating the misery of capitalism. How is this not true of any form of government spending that creates jobs?

Assuming that we want things to get as miserable as possible, as quickly as possible, wouldn't the easiest course of action be to infiltrate right-wing parties and cut all forms of public spending? Things will get so bad so fast the people will be forced into revolution, no? Liberals didn't go far enough in privatization, in this worldview.

Once president, he will kill any pretense of net neutrality and privacy. Enjoy having your real name, photograph and city you live in, if not your full street address, signed to everything you say and do online.

What the fuck is with all this anti-welfare, and anti-UBI shilling by closeted-libertarians? Guess we better do away with SSI, and foodstamps while we're at it.

Deal with what is argued or don't post.

UBI disempowers the workers, placing them at the complete mercy of capital. You need capital, but capital doesn't need you. And there would still be incentives to maximise profits, even if it means getting rid of dead weight (ie. YOU)

I'm not sure what to think of UBI. I worry that it could pacify people, and make them accept welfare capitalism forever. On the other hand, it would give people greater security.
However, it seems to me that UBI is only a first world thing. I can't envision a country like Cuba being able to pull it off; it doesn't have the access to resources and global capital needed.

please go away.

I don't know who is arguing what in this thread.


I agree that UBI disempowers workers. I think the same is true of all forms of welfare and government job creation. Let's stop prolonging capitalism already.

I don't get it so is Holla Forums Zionist or anti-Zionist? You Zuckerberg is an Israeli supporting Zionist right?

Read the thread.

I did, there are almost no actual arguments taking place, just a bunch of assertions.



Here is what I am arguing: It is true that basic income will be the savior of capitalism and placate proletarians, preventing a revolution. It is true that UBI gives the state control over the proles. I don't think that it does so in a way significantly different from welfare programs. At the end of the day, some amount of tax dollars are collected and handed out, whether through government programs or direct cash grants. There is nothing special about government-funded healthcare as opposed to a cash grant that someone spends on health insurance, that makes one good and Leftist and the other a prolongation of capitalism.

We need to fight capitalists. Assuming that welfare policies prolong capitalism, and that without them, we would have a collapse of capitalism, the way to fight capitalists seems obvious: cut off their life support by ending all forms of welfare and public spending, creating such misery that a revolution swiftly takes place. Where is the error in this line of reasoning?

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we gotta be unrelenting, don't settle for scraps. OMNIA SUNT COMMUNIA. start from the assumption everything already belongs to all. There's always a catch.If history teaches us something, it's that someone is always out to get you. This UBI stuff is already being framed as some sort of magnanimous concession from the rich to the undeserving huddled masses. Its a last shot attempt at maintaining bourgeoisie power. seriously, there's a real sense of fear amongst global neoliberal elites, the fact they are willing to resort to such risky and untested measures, even if only as vague promises and insinuations proves they are desperate. Its not a time for passive acceptance of technocratic solutions, but a time for action, a time for truly revolutionary demands.

I agree, so cut the fucking welfare so that people riot already. People will stop seeing the bourgeois state as a guarantor of financial security if they don't interact with it outside of paying for the military on tax day.

UBI has the effect similar to negative income tax proposals that it subsidizes employers who pay below living wage. In that it is very different from payment that exclusively goes to the unemployed and which by so doing also establishes some baseline for remuneration. Economists with a Ricardian/Marxist background expect that UBI will lead to lower wages.

What's your reply to

Afroplasm, you forgot your tripcode!

you are aware that people are allowed to critique your pet-group without it being a strawman, right?

First off, Zuckerberg is literally one of the most evil capitalists alive today. Are you dumbfucks actually going to trust him? If he was a legitimate comrade then he would give away all his money but he won't. No, he Jews money in the worst possible ways. Look into his history and you'll find he's pure evil.

Next UBI is basically just like welfare. A distraction and bribe from porky so workers don't seize all the bacon from them.

This is word for word and action to action Nazi ideology. It's true the Nazis were the most scientifically and technologically and wealthiest nation in the world of their time but at what cost? It's amoral and unleftist.

t. didn't read the thread pro

Who /ServantofZucc/ here?

You're naive as fuck if you think any reforms the system implements empowers the working class in shape or form. The welfare system exists solely to placate the masses by stealing from the workers to maintain the reserve army of labor. If it takes an autistic LARPer to be against voting, then it must take a literal retard to be for it.

The better question is what is with all of these pro-welfare, pro-UBI shilling by closeted liberals? Welfare does not fucking serve the working class, all it does is make them dependent on the state while maintaining a large reserve labor army.

why are you pretending the reptoid porky supervillian is the reasonable option? Even if I was for UBI, I would denounce Zuckerberg. im not even religious or anything, but dude gives off serious antichrist vibes. Capital is your enemy and will always be your enemy. We cannot trust Zuckerberg or his ilk, they are obviously terrified at the prospect of a left populist movement. UBI on porky's terms is guaranteed to be shit, just a different kind of shit to the shit we are used to. They are gonna make sure you live on the most miserable conditions and stay at the complete mercy of the state. Instead of waiting for Zucc to come and save us, it's time to push harder, time to get the message out and agitate and organise people.

Once again, basic income is dumb not because it will save capitalism, but because it is universal. A negative income tax is a much, much better idea.

Fuck you massive faggot op

Michael Heinrich is so based, wish more anons on this board were aware of him.


And when I imagine a tankie I think of a humorless screeching autist who wants to tie the Left to decrepit LARPing cults.

This is no different than ordinary welfare programs, which cover some of your cost of living, allowing workers to pay lower wages while still allowing people to have a net income (from welfare + wage) to "barely get by", in theory. Again, how is this different from UBI? I'm explicitly counting transfer payments as welfare programs, not the minimum wage - though abolishing the minimum wage would also speed up the revolution.

Any welfare program necessitates a border to protect it from the outgroup emptying the State coffers, which creates the conditions for fascism. We want to be able to welcome as many immigrants as is ecologically possible, which is incompatible with a welfare state.

Yes, because we all know being a fucking class cuck wage slave working for McDonald's™, is obviously the superior choice. More people suffering, and leaving the vulnerable dry without any assistance will surely bring about full communism, right?

Yes, it will start the revolution more rapidly.

UBI will definitely mean less overall government assistance not more. It will empower unaccountable private bureaucracies and exploitative 'market solutions'. It is in no way the panacea for the working class its supporters seem to think it is. Neoliberals like Milton Freidman advocated UBI for a reason, you know.

As opposed to means-tested welfare programs? These aren't exactly accountable to the people, either. I don't get why you guys rush to the defense of state-run charities like the healthcare bureaucracy while opposing UBI to appear contrarian.

he's too dumb to get trip, he's just namefaging I sometimes use his name to fuck with people for cheap (you)s

>UBi is different from payment that exclusively goes to the unemployed and which by so doing also establishes some baseline for remuneration.

Great rebuttal…
Do work safety regulations and minimum wage necessitate strict immigration limits?