What does Holla Forums think of the Frankfurt School? Is there anything from that era worth studying?

Ross Wolfe is a bullshitter though.

One-Dimensional Man was a decent work though. I'd recommend it as a starter.

Bumpin' bumpin

The Dialectical Imagination is the classical introduction to the Frankfurt School.

This.

I get it now

Antinomianism = I'm gonna act like a degenerate to piss off god

It makes sense you 🍀🍀🍀leftists🍀🍀🍀 would promote all sorts of fun then, but if you knew anything about 🍀🍀🍀capitalism🍀🍀🍀 you would know it can only be overcome by reawakening the Faustian soul and not by appealing to the lower instincts of man. It's only when western man overcomes the desires and appetites fomented by capitalism and cultural marxism -that actually were unleashed into the world as a result of your 🍀🍀🍀antinomianism🍀🍀🍀- that capital truly is threatened.

Nietzsche was antinomian.

I've never seen so much idealism concentrated into a single post.

anyone read this one?

Fine, whatever, I only follow him insofar as he showed the de.gen.era.cy inherent in Christianity -a slave morality that 🍀🍀🍀you people🍀🍀🍀 also had a hand in unleashing into this world btw- have a picture of Ernst Junger instead.

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You know damn well when I say "you people" I'm not talking about socialists, I'm talking about 🍀🍀🍀socialists🍀🍀🍀

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reading this now, im about 150 pages in. its really fun but a lot of the stuff is really basic.

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There are no such things as "lower" and "higher" instincts. The ideals Fascists project onto the world ("purity" of the body, appealing to nature, etc.) are make-believe.

So, it really was the Jews all along?

What is hierarchy of needs?

And your "historical materialism" isn't? Our worldview is idealist, unapologetically so, read Gentile, but what has your materialism ever produced? When man's spirituality is negated in favor of a mechanistic vision of mankind the result is not the fully unleashed productive forces your daddy Marx envisioned, but gulags and widespread misery in the Soviet case, or de.ge.ne.ra.cy, feminism and pornography in the case of the west.

Does the Frank Furtschool of Magic and Wizardry have anything interesting to say? I'm more into realpolitik than pureideology.

Yes. Read Adorno.

Something doesn't add up.

I want to see Zizek debate this guy.

Posted on a device made by material forces.

QED idealists #rekt

wow, you sure #rekted me

What has idealism produced? :^)

Culture, values, philosophy, art, religion, I could go on

You can't just handwave such a huge part of what it means to be human and you know it.

Yes my nazi fellow you're spooked as fuck

See? This is why real working class men and women will always be mistrustful of you leftist cucks, you can't just waltz in and proclaim everything they believe is a spooky spook, this is why you'll never be able to connect with the working class you claim to defend, this is why in the end we will win

All of those are produced by material forces including
And even then nothing of value was lost.

He said all these are made BY working class men and women (and humanity in general), and are not abstract things that appeared one day and so on.

You argument is invalid.

This is why we'll always lose

No, it was the SABBATEAN-FRANKISTS.

It shouldn't go without mention that idealism has historically served only the ruling class. Culture useful for the rulers. Values useful for the rulers. Philosophy which justifies the rulers. Art approved by rulers. And lastly and mostly, religion.

You are literal cuckolds. What does it mean to be human?

Oh yes you'll win but then people will realize that your irrational, racist system is even worse of what they have now.
Also maybe you would understand what i mean when i talk about "material conditions" if you at least tried to read some marxist theory instead of screaming like an idiot about "cuckness".

I don't know, you just obliterated everything I believe in in one nihilistic stroke, so you tell me. For you leftist cuckolds is 24/7 de.ge.ne.ra.cy and hedonism, I am sure.

All these things are either a)made by working class or b) made to serve the ruling class, so which one is it? And so what if it serves the ruling class? I happen to believe hierarchy is good, I happen to believe having an aristocracy is good, what has your leftist equality produced beyond de.gen.era.te ebonic music?

Fuck, meant to reply to , what the fuck is a sabattean-frankist?

Both. Read The Genealogy of Morality.

Which? Because the recent developments of capitalism in regards to culture can not be ascribed to us when we are pretty much in shambles and in need of serious reconstitution.

Only the liberal west benefits from the values it claims to hold, to deviate struggle to meaningless fights for more rights which are not in any way related to communism, unless you subscribe to the autistic ramblings of schizophrenics who blame everything bad in the work having to do with communists and jews.

Classic jealous cuck

Well, am not part of it, I don't want to BE part of it, I don't want it to EXIST, so … why would I want it?
And Prol Culture is far better than what cultural capitalism feeds us.

But I thought we were talking about idealism VS materialism…

Oh, so now you will disavow the claims made in this video ? communist jews like Marcuse literally are responsible for what liberalism has become, in their attempt to make the working class and specially the youth rebel against the values of the modern world by advocating sexual promiscuity and other de.ge.ne.ra.cy they only strengthened capitalist hegemony.

You should be reading book related, the New Left was a mistake yes, it is your mistakes what has made us stronger.

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You're not answering the 'so-what' at all. Just pure spite- disgusting.

It doesn't exist.

I do not see how that video concerns because I have neither read them, so I can't opine, and because I don't know their relevance to Marxism yet. But according to you we should defend everything anyone calling themselves a name because we are a borg like entity with no ideological divisions at all.

the reason we're currently in one of the lowest ebbs of culture in recent human history is due to the destruction wrought on proletarian opportunities to create culture wrought by neoliberalism.

Idiot, the prole has never had a better chance to create culture.

1950-1970 now kys

I'm not doing the research but come on
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Tbh I might have been only thinking about culture in terms of individual creation so I could be wrong

Nigga what are you even trying to say? I don't understand, I think all that leftist cuckoldry has begun to rot your brain

more generous welfare state was particularly beneficial to musicians, work was generally more stable (unlike now where it's not uncommon to be left uninformed when you'll be working and wind up having to plan everything about having to run off at a moment's notice when the phone rings) and - while boring - not always demanding. arts funding was probably higher and education received far more effort than it does now, and probably more funding to boot, particularly in the environment of post-crash austerity.

then there was free university tuition and actual student bursaries in the UK on top of that, instead of debt-piles to take courses that exist only to give you a certificate for capital.

though the culture of the collective and the community (by which i mean as much as individual towns) was also historically much stronger before neoliberalism obliterated public space, and is undoubtedly a key element of proletarian culture as well.

read Mark Fisher.

Doubt

Doubt

Highly doubt

True, but I thought you only pay it back when you're rich anyway. Free tuition increases inequality lmao

True

What does this mean? Courses don't promote culture?

Can't dig up figures but did dig up theguardian.com/stage/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-long-shadow-theatre which encompasses the attitude nicely:

jesus fucking christ it's not often you encounter people with literally no knowledge of history.

This was before Reagan's welfare queen meme, before Clinton's heritage-foundation ordered reforms, before JSA replaced the dole. (There was a day the government had a guy who just said "Are you looking for a job?" and you'd say "Yeah" and he'd go "Okay, well I hear the shop down the road is hiring here's your money, good luck.", where sanctions didn't exist, and where housing benefit would actually cover your rent…)

Note peak in the mid-late 70s. (Slightly outside my banding, but within bounds.), also note that a simple % figure doesn't tell the whole story because a huge amount of money has been wasted on PFI schoolbuilding (private sector bilking the public to hide debt off balance sheet) and market-stalinist reforms. (essentially making teachers fill in tons of assessment paperwork instead of actually teaching, and hiring people to process such paperwork.)

lmao no you pay it back when you're not even earning the average wage.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Liberals get the bullet too.

When they're oriented to the pursuit of a degree instead of the pursuit of knowledge, they produce little more than private debt.

That was thirty years ago though.

I doubt any of these people actually reduced welfare spending.

Depends how much GDP went up

Average wage will be for all workers, even experienced workers. I don't think the young suffering artist ladened with debt is a real thing

You purse knowledge to get a degree. I don't see how anything will have changed.

This is the sort of thing I'm talking about
It's a lot easier for politicians to increase spending than decrease spending

Spending has gone up, but the state itself is less generous. Also, by 2001 the neoliberal reforms had already been put in place.
(also >showing the raw figure instead of as a %)

It doesn't matter how much money you throw into welfare if you don't fucking give it to people. From around the 60s to around 1996, it was essentially on tap. Now? You're fucked. Don't have evidence you spent 35 hours a week looking for a job? Guess we'll just have to sanction you…

Nigger I wasn't even in the thread when that video was posted, I came here to respond to you saying that Feels > Reals.

And while we're at it, here are some musicians (rightly) pissed off that the Labour government didn't roll back the JSA changes, but instead amplified them and noting how the older regime helped.

But y'know, keep drinking ideology.

Ok whatever, reals > feels you got me, clearly your Marxist theory is 100% correct and communist revolution is an historical inevitability, I for one welcome our new 🍀🍀🍀materialist🍀🍀🍀 overlords

Guys, it's a troll.

surrealism is based af, Dali was ourguy

counterpunch.org/2003/12/06/salvador-dali-fascist/

I don't see another thread to ask this question, but this one seems related enough, as Holla Forums gets butthurt over not understading the "frankfurt school", just as they get butthurt over our board's existence.

Has Holla Forums always been so hardline anticommunist? How great a role has our surge in population played in their constant whining about ebil gommies? I guess it was somewhat fated to be, what with the USSR rekking Germany, and them getting into internet slap fights with sjw vidya feminists who claim some vague connection with socialism.

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The standard narrative was that at first Holla Forums was only ironically Nazi but then pic related happened. It wasn't this board existence that triggers them so much, it was Gamergate that started their rabid anticommunism thing since, as you point out, they connect muh sjws who want to kill vidya with the cultural Marxism meme

I used the teachings of the Frankfurt school to drop some "blue pills" on a girl named Stacey from my gender studies class.

makes you think

The original surrealists were communists, and Dali was a fucking hack.

Dali was shit.

Normie tier art

I couldn't care less that this board exists tbh fam, in fact I love lurking here. You guys truly are deluded and I get a good laugh at trolling your sorry ases

I am sure she sees you only as a friend, girls don't like beta leftists

"I-it's not like I care about you. BAKA!"
Why so tsundere Holla Forums?

Ok then, have some of that "social realism" you leftists like so much

You got me, I have a thing for limp wristed leftist beta faggots

Yes Holla Forums, we're going to collectivise your women, gender reassign your children and forcefully gay marry you to a bear. And when we're done with that we'll seize all of your toothbrushes, ruining dental hygiene forever.

i guess slavs really are the master race

I know you're memeing but this is legit one of the biggest concerns of nazis, going all the way back to Nazi era propaganda, here is an example of such propaganda by my man Willhelm Reich:

yfw the Nazis have always been obsessed with being cucked

the bizzare sexual pathology of the right is facisnating

Yeah, it's funny just how many fascists seem to be driven purely by psycho-sexual concerns. I wonder what proportion of them were sexually abused as children, or were aware of their parents cheating on one another. I've often wondered whether their obsession with "cucks" is related to such experiences.

unironically kill yourself.

then read steve keen

then kill yourself again.

Stop shilling your liberal economist in every thread

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It is sexual pathology to want a traditionalist wife that gives her whole attention to raising children instead of her careerism and hedonism? If so then I'm guilty. But no matter, one day Holla Forums you'll see the myriad ways the west is being ruined, the day will come when you'll see nothing but black rape gangs roaming your cities, that day you'll look upon your communist 🍀🍀🍀proletarian🍀🍀🍀 rulers for solutions and they will offer nothing but derision, but the Aryan soul will awaken, your reign of terror will one day come to an end, and we shall emerge triumphant.

SIEG HEIL

Fuckin' Irish, I knew they were behind it.

which one of you fucks did this because holy shit thats hilarious.

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im guess you don't fuck

What's very funny about this post is that a significant chunk of Holla Forums are former Holla Forumsyps that realized Nazism is stupid.

Why are Holla Forumsyps obsessed with rape gangs? This is some quality projection?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Dalí#Politics_and_personality

not until everyone i suspect of buying into neoclassical economics via cultural osmosis is dead.

Not an argument.

I'll tell you this, it doesn't always involve being a bootlicker to the ideals of a delusional mad man with a micro-penis.

ftfy
But wouldn't you be the kind that would argue that Communism doesn't work because it goes against human nature?
I can agree on the grounds that your views appear to boil down to "Capitalism is a problem and it's fucking up Westernism/Western culture", but you need to realize that Capitalism was a historically necessary stepping-stone to advance ourselves as a species and that Capitalism, as well as the Enlightenment, was created by the Faustian soul. What we must do now is to move forward again, like the human species has done in the past with slave societies and Feudalism

Dialectic of Enlightenment is excellent.

what's wrong with Habermas?

Clearly one can see that whatever people do now, it is dependent on them being able to secure a livelihood, and no matter what they want to do, then their livelihood comes first.

If they are liberated from capitalist exploitation and able to decide themselves what to do with labour necessary for the society and themselves to continue.

Before that, everyone will focus on what brings bread, and get crazy ideas later.

Adorno = crypto-neocon

Benjamin = Jewish chauvinist

Nietzche considered you nazifag bastards to be the real deg.enerates

This we can at least agree on. Those fucking irish need to stop undermining my white anglo-saxon protestant values.

science, math, logic, reason, advanced medical care, space travel, widespread sitribution of electricity, modern physics, etc.

Hitler produced a shitty. I think we really one-upped you on this one. Get dunked on, faggot!
Revisionist filth. Marx did nothing wrong.

*Hitler produced a shitty car

It really triggers the shit out of you, doesn't it

I did it out of consideration to you cucks since this is a sjw sfw board

Why can't nazifags read? This is why you lost WWII.

You're 15. You shouldn't be on the internet anyway.

I'll have you know I'm very smart for my age, though granted it doesn't take much intelligence to see through your cultural marxist lies

Serious question what was the Frankfurt School's position towards the modern state of Israel?

You realize that according to that pic and your ideology, the Jews in Israel are doing the right thing, right?

They loved it of course

Shut up nazi boy the adults are talking

pic related, is you

Well, according to this article they were critical of it

igcs.cornell.edu/2016/03/14/the-frankfurt-school-on-israel/

a lot of nazis and the racist right support israel because it's akin to what they want their future "white nation" to be like. plus israel hates arabs and muslims, which nazis now hate more than jews

Nah, they haven't sorted out that doublethink yet so they just pretend to be neutral.

Ha ha very funny ad hominem but two can play that game

pic related is you

My little Timmy, those are some big words for a 6 year old.

Alt-rightard conspiricts BTFO

watch them defend Israel now just to be contrarian to the marxists

what DOES it mean to be human, Holla Forums?

no, it's utter garbage.

Nothing, humanity is a spook. Read Stirner.

so… why bother with the revolution?

why bother with politics?

Capitalist policies goes against my interests.

I want to protect my property (people) and the state's interests go against that of my own, therefore the only way to satisfy myself is to overthrow these so I can embrace my property and ownness.

I can only slightly stand Marcuse amongst them for his One-Dimensional man, everyone else there just sounds like an idealistic elitist retard to me tbh.

Why?

There's nothing wrong with the word "god" as long as its being used metaphorically.

The Frankfurt School was Anti-Soviet.

So fuck them.

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Yes, the Soviet Union didn't give a fuck about idpol, killed nazi scum, and told Americucks to fuck off.

Stay mad burger.

Despooking people is revolutionary because once a critical mass of people are free of the illusions that control them they will stop participating in the system and the whole thing will collapse.

It also purged the anarchists, who are, in my opinion, the only real communists.

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Except that ML states were infamously corrupt.

Of course Cultural Marxism exists, but it isn't the strawman of "pink-haired Jewish vegans complaining about white people". Nobody claims that. It is much easier to just claim the opposition's stance on their behalf, though.
See: archive.is/YzkIS.
Or even the article that is currently available: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory#Subfields
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
In the same article that denounces the "bigots" for referencing other schools of thought influenced by the theory, one click away will take us to the subfields which list the points for me: I guess this is the Streisand effect in action, right?
More:
pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/essays/culturalmarxism.pdf
Bear in mind, if nothing of the sort ever occurred, then the Western Marxists were not expelled from the Third Reich, as they were doubly unwelcome on account of their Jewishness and their Marxist ideology.

CULTURAL MARXISM EXPOSED

wtf i love capitalism now

They're alright, Adorno and Fromm are my favorites

I have to do a paper on the frankfurt school next year actually

Can anyone recommend some summer reading about the Frankfurt School? It needs to be during the WWII era.

I already have some books at hand, but I'm wondering if there's any I'm missing

Probably better to ask in the sticky.

what kind of mental gymnastics does it take to go from political correctness to moral relativism? these things are literally opposite to each other

yea no

Please fuck off back to reddit.

Further:

Reactionaries seem to forget about something called Logic. Somehow all these things you see today liberals do, no matter how contradictory, is all to blame on Marx and the evil jews of the FF because of some drive jews have to destroy society.

here u go op

I would start with de bordpill - society of the spectacle - and then also read 'the culture industry' (attached)

Wrong attachment sry lol