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Are these people LARPing or do they just not want any influence/new members?

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it's a 'hey leftypol, account for everything everybody caliming to be from the left has done according to me' thread

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stalin did literally NOTHING Wrong
Kulaks DESERED IT
kulaks deserved it.
kulaks deserved it.

take your meds summerfag

Nah man they are cadre parties, they only accept the most hard core larpers.

Wow, bro, take the actual broomhandle out of your asshole and chilllll

Ignore M-L's. They are genuinely braindead.

Rationalwiki summed it up best
when they stated : "Western Communist parties after the fall of the Soviet Union are basically historical reenactment societies that don't realise they are."

That quote causes monumental amounts of fucking asshurt, and severe denial till this day. It's like the equivalent of showing Holla Forums that they are mixed race.

Rationalwiki is usually pretty shit but that's fucking spot on.

Inb4 "At least we are doing something, REEE"

Doing things is actually important, though.

This is correct
The problem is there's nothing worth doing, nothing that will shock people out of their slumber.

Well I mean, I'm big on property damage but even then the odds are that you'll get caught and get in a lot of trouble.

tankies and all others that call for revolution are LARPING faggots

the only way to communism is though democratic election revolution causes authoritarian state capitalism every time

prove me wrong you can't

Like "teaching class consciousness" to the stupid proles, or smashing stuff in the case of anarchists?

Democratic elections are a mistake that let the spectacle steer neoliberals into power because joking about proles being stupid doesn't make them any less stupid in the here and now.

Social democracy at the barrel of me as a dictator or bust. (I'm half joking but I'm almost certainly actually open to convincing that to protect muh healthcare you have to throw people like Hayek and Friedman off roofs before anyone listens to them. Regardless of necessity, it'd also be really fucking cathartic, were they not already both dead.)

Read Gramsci armchair man,

fuck off you dumb tankie you will teach nothing to nobody

I wish the nazis took Russia because at least a better version of communism would've taken ML autism would've taken it's place

Yes, for example.

I got no problems with the left though and I wish for socialism to succeed. Don't see how it will do that by some people rather talking about Stalin than local issues that actually matter to people.

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Everyone should read this, no former understanding of Marxist or revolutionary theory is required.

I have made unironic defenses of Stalin IRL. It can and should be done.

The only thing that your actually 'Doing' is apologia for "Socialist" governments that don't exist anymore. I wish I'd screencapped that twittertankie ranting about Daddy Assad and how much they missed Castro and The USSR.

You idiots have no vision of the future and no way to get there. You're stuck in the past and you point to vaguely affiliated movements of the sorts that hide in bushes and take pot-shots at cops half way around the world to fool yourselves into believing that you still represent 'Actually Existing Socialism" .

Why on earth? How is denying the atrocities of a capitalist regime in any way relevant to todays struggles?

Go to the sink, you've still got Rosa on you

Because people forget the realities of the past.

At least the stalinist bureaucracy provided people with food and housing. Neoliberal "market-stalinism" produces nothing but data while people starve homeless. At least social democracy provided full employment as a policy goal and a welfare state.

People forget these things, they argue utter nonsense without any reference to history whatsoever. This has been the coup of the right: Thatcher as necessity. Breadlines as the end result of central planning instead of corruption in a system transitioning to lukewarm social democracy too late. Reagan as the saviour, Keynes as the inflation king and always no alternative.

A nation is a collection of people naive about their own history. We need to defend our patch of that history and flip the blame onto the right, never relenting, even stretching the truth if we must, we must ensure the naivete is - if anything - too positive about compromised regimes, because the alternative is an equally dishonest regime run by capital without regard for human suffering, without even the token allocation of food and housing.

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Pure autism. The Bolsheviks were sincere Marxists and made a genuine attempt at establishing socialism. We now know that this was a pipedream given the contingent historical and material conditions of post-Imperial Russia, but they didn't have that knowledge. You can't knock it 'till you've tried it, and Stalin et al. made a genuine attempt to establish socialism through a vanguard party in an underdeveloped country. And their circumstances being what they were, no-one could have done better without facing collapse or defeat by outside powers earlier on.

We now know the price for development under such a system is higher or equivalent to that paid under capitalism without leading to the establishment of communism, but that's 20/20 hindsight for ya.

Also, what said.

lmfao you are the leftcom defending USA imperialism and the CIA from that one thread right?

Anyone have it screencapped?

yea, MLs should denounce dictator Stalin for cheap popularity points
because this totally helped western left after the Secret Speech was published

anyway, in my experience ML parties try not to bring Stalin up, if not asked explicitly
they talk about Soviet achievements in Stalin's time in general
and of course it is implied that maybe Stalin was not such a bad guy after all, and of course at this point some autist starts screeching about muh totalitarianism, muh billions, muh dictator
and of course after many hours of pointless arguing some MLs say "fuck it, Stalin did nothing wrong and kulaks deserved it"

Yes, the stalinist regime was progressive compared to the tsarist regime and vastly raised the living standards in Russia but my point still stands. It's a historical curiosity and irrelevant to most people today.


I'm in no way questioning the sincerity of Bolsheviks but the fact is that the revolution was isolated and ultimately failed.

Fuck no, that sounds disgusting.

And how is this relevant to modern day issues?

You'd say the same about the nuances of 1970s British policymaking too, but it's not, history colours our every debate in the here and now.

Labour will take Britain back to the 70s is the ongoing attack-line, even though nearly everyone ended that decade better off than they went into it whereas since 2008 real wages have fallen and even by 2021 or so the projection is for us to merely equalise, more than a decade with no growth in living standard. Absolute insanity.

it is relevant because any discussion about socialism unavoidably leads to USSR

Charles Fourier did nothing wrong

So what, somebody interested asked a question about Stalin and the guy answered? What kind of enormous faggot are you to be offended by that?

"Communism has never been tried" makes you the fucking laughingstock. Righteously.

Somebody clearly never had dogs

Communism isn't something you try. I don't carry red banners around but if someone asks my political affiliation i answer honestly. I've had some great and interesting discussions about capitalism and the direction the world is going. I don't remember anyone bringing up Stalin during those.

that comic isn't pro-socdem, idiot

nice falseflagging

I cant be bothered to read through all your silly mooing, basically commies export dildos at a monumental rate.

But what did Stalin do that was actually wrong?

Shows how nazis are more lefty than the anarkiddies here.

I don't believe that for second. I'm politically active and I can tell you that people will bring it up, and you have to be equipped with arguments to defend it.

I can think about only a couple of things

- giving Yezhov and Beria any power
- amassing the Red Army in a front position instead of a deep defense prior to the German invasion
- not taking measures that careerists overtake the party after his death (however it should be noted that he was genuinely upset at Krushtshev and his cronies on the very same day he died. Really made me think)

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Good thing scientists in the West have never been wrong about anything, right?

Me: Darwinism > Lamarckism
You: feels > reals

In fairness, rhetoric from all sides like to pretend that it's still the mid-20th Century.

At least, that's how it is in Burgerland, though what I've seen of Europe, it hasn't updated much further.

Tankies like to defend Stalin, conservatives like to bitch about welfare when welfare was abolished two decades ago and liberals fervently support the legalization of abortion which has been legal for nearly a half-century now. And it doesn't stop there.

they believe in private property you dumb tanky retard. Shows who the real left is tbqh

That's a pretty funny summary. I'm saving this for later use

Wasn't Stalin dismissive of him and Lysenko only stayed around because he was Khrushchev's friendo?

ima goin to come round an shag ur mom

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The question is whether you're doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff or if it's authentic action. See

But kulaks did deserve it.

Pure, undistilled liberal hypocrisy. They hate McCarthy, but they engage in red scare just as much as the man did. Libs feigning concern over anti-socialism will be the first visitors to FEMA gulags.

Uh huh, and most of them were suddenly revealed to be traitors of the revolution when Stalin assumed power. Quite indeed stimulates higher cognitive activity.
Conflating Bolsheviks with Stalinists is my favourite whether it's done by the left or by the right.

Scientists in the West never pushed for long since refuted concepts, no. Neither have Soviet scientists, as a matter of fact, as Lysenkoism was a party policy decision that was vehemently opposed by Soviet scientific community.

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if private property didn't exist then I'd be out of a job.