Anyone else fucking suspicious?

First, I'm new here.

This is just getting fucking bizarre.

I know that idpol isn't great, and there is *something* to be said about SJW tendencies, but this huge recent explosion of reactionary "philosophy" channels with sleek graphics and daily uploads of tremendous effort, it just feels really fucking odd.

BlackPigeonSpeaks
Sargon
PJW
Stefan Molyneux
Prager U (fuck my life)
Eric Dodson
The Thinkery
Rebel Media
LeafyIsHere
Thunderf00t
That female Trump activist

These channels, they all say the same things. They invalidate literally any leftist opinion, in fact lumping leftists and liberals as one. They take any semi-literate high school kid and immediately redirect whatever class consciousness he might develop into an unconditional mistrust of Muslims, again treating "Islam" and "Wahabism" as if they're interchangeable. And the fans have such passionate political feelings for what some Buzzfeed girl thinks of manspreading, you'd forget that the world around them is literally about to be burned alive by carbon emissions.

This is just such a bizarrely passionate mass movement over such relatively boring topics. I'm tinfoiled as shit Holla Forums. I'm not saying that this is necessarily the work of FBI/CIA funding (although looking at the 60s I wouldn't put it past them), but at the very least there must have been a concerted effort by Holla Forums the same way Holla Forums was killed by SF.

Did I miss something? Is this common knowledge already?

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Are you saying Jimmy doesn't have sleek graffix and a sick upload schedule?

It's a bandwagon. Some people figured out it's profitable to spout reductionist politics to comfort people who are anxious about a scary and fucked up world.

A lot of it is blowback against the increasingly obviously orchestrated co-opting of the Occupy movement.

Interesting. Around 2010 is definitely when this feels like it all started.

Crazy how the vigor of OWS went entirely to waste.

Have some completely anecdotal evidence.

Eh. I used to be in that community.
It's no conspiracy. This community started out as an atheist community. Once gay marriage became legal in the US, they kind of saw that as a symbolic final victory. This was around the same time that the creationist lolcows are all going away too, they had to find a new topic.
Then Atheism+ happened and it kind of fell into their lap. The phobias these people have for intersectionality? It comes from Atheism+. Basically, a big chunk of the atheist community (mostly the irl convention crowd, not so much the online community) said that since the victory over creationism had been won, they needed to continue the fight against the other people who follow the tenants that made creationism bad: right-wing traditionalism. They said that being an Atheist didn't just mean not believing in god anymore, it also meant that you were a feminist, and a social-justice advocate, and everything a gender studies class would teach you to be.
The online community went in the other direction. They said that since the victory over creationism had been won, they needed to continue the fight against the other people who follow the tenants that made creationism bad: social authoritarians who want to forcibly impose their moral standards onto other people.
It was a recipe for assclownery. The Internet faction (henceforth known as the skeptics) saw the Atheism+ crowd as no better than the creationists, and the Atheism+ crowd concluded that the only reason that anyone could possibly dislike them is because those people are bigots.
This civil war within a kind of pointless online community basically turned into the overblown "culture war" we have now. When Atheism+ split from the skeptics, they took all that edge and teen appeal with them. Rebellious teenagers, like the kinds who might own tumblr blogs, now turned to the social advocates for an outlet to get back at their dads. Their opposition, the skeptics, naturally attracted a lot of libertarians and social-conservatives who had been in the woodworks for years anyway. None of the skeptics are really new, with the exception of Sargon. Look at any of their channels and you'll either see that they've been making peanuts as mainstream-media conservative pundits for years, or that they used to make Atheism videos. It's a platform that naturally morphed from a previous but now obsolete community. If you look at it and just assume that this community of reactionaries just appeared one day then yeah, it does look sketch as fuck. But, that's not what happened.

As an aside, when these people say "I would make fun of conservatives but they just don't interest me as much" they aren't bullshitting to save face. Like, Sargon, he absolutely is bullshitting, but all the others are being totally honest about that. I know that because they used to do exactly that all the fucking time, make fun of conservatives. It's just that their modern conflict with social authoritarians has made them unassuming allies of the conservatives.

Oh, and as for the upload times and production values, most of these people are unemployed leeches who make their money off of YouTube. Prager U is funded by a rich dude, Molyneux, Thunderf00t and Sargon, on top of having a lot of experience in churning out YT videos fast, make their money on this site, have formats that require very little effort, etc. LeafyIsHere isn't even a Reactionary channel, he's more with the DramaAlert/H3H3 clique, not sure why you lumped him in.

All that's to say, it's not a conspiracy. There's a (very stupid) historical setup to the whole thing.

this.
being an e-celeb is easy money now and pandering to the alt-right/skeptics lets you look like a rebel without actually critiquing anything. No wonder it attracts so many liberal atheist types.

that wasn't really the central point, but sort of, sure.
You can't really argue that they "don't actually critique" though. Critique is their whole fucking career, even if it's bad critique.

fucking lol

I will probably make people mad for saying this, but the men's rights movement has a lot to say about taking advantage of this tactic. Yes, they tend to be right-wing but that's because most lefties won't give them the time of day. The man-blaming tendency of idpolers drives a lot of men to the right because they don't see a place for them on the left.

And on that pic as well, it's really interesting how much these people seem to disregard transgender men.

not seeing the problem here

I'd disregard someone too if they said playing Wonderwall at an Occupy protest was one of the best moments of their life.

but most of them aren't criticizing anything, they're just going "sjws reeeeeee" for hour long streams. It's surface level complaining about problems they don't understand and I don't consider that criticism.

This is a point people often overlook, but there's more to it than you say. Modern conservatism is nakedly stupid and pro-capital. Even for the community formerly known as Atheism, it's too much the low-hanging fruit.

But this doesn't make any sense. Cuntservatives are social authoritarians too, in fact cuntservatives tend to be creationists themselves.
If they were really worried about continuing to fight against what made creationism bad then they wouldn't ally themselves with neither the cuntservatives nor the sjws but would just criticize any retard independently of what side they fall into.

They're not really allied with those people. It's more that they have a common interest/action in responding to them.

it's hard to see where you're going when you've been wading in bullshit so long that you've sunk eyes-deep into it

muh pendulum

They think obama means the left is in charge. They're edgy contrarians.

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The thing is is that they seem to think that they're not conservative and that they're just defending the poor victimized conservatives from the SJWs so they tend to ignore when conservatives are social authoritarians.

Absolutely this, as somebody who'd been putting up with increasing amounts of proto-SJWdom in every leftist venue I frequented (DailyKos, AlterNet, InfoShop, etc.) starting at the tail end of the Dubya regime, the Slymepit rebuke of A+ was amazing to see, and when GG happened, it felt like a slave revolt among the masses of leftists that declared they weren't going to put up with that shit anymore.

It's sad, watching people like Sargon slowly slide from socdem to lolbert, but it's important to remember that the only "leftist" organizations any of them have had any contact with vary from spittle-flecked SJW harpies, to mushbrained shitlibs, whereas every single organization that's offered even the tiniest support to basic principles like freedom of speech have all been right-leaning.

People like us have no organizations, no outreach, and no power whatsoever. We are invisible, except as shadows cast by the burning invectives of shitlibs complaining about "brocialists".

I think the answer is simple: Next Occupy, the smashies keep the police out while the commies deal with the liberal enemy within inside the camps. Eventually, after the reds have secured control of the camps, everyone takes control of the stock exchanges.
I look forward to becoming the star of "Red Fascist beats up innocent Democracy Loving Liberal - Police are helpless!" youtube video.

Nah, it's more like they're focused on criticizing SJW instead of of conservatives. Criticism of one is not seen as relevant to the other. As they see it they have nothing left to do on conservatives. They've moved on. What would actually be nice is if they moved on to criticizing the larger system of liberalism that contains these "left" and right politics.

how long until we just pull a Holla Forums and reclaim the "brocialist" label?

so this faggot finally went full alt-right?

To be fair, breaking from religion and learning to live without it is a life-changing experience. I think most people who engage with that stuff are in the adjustment phase and looking for support. The majority of shitting on religion is a cathartic healing process where people re-learn the relationship between themselves and authority that was often drilled into them from an early age.

If you genuinely think Islam poses as much a threat to humanity as climate change, mass surveillance and unfettered corporatism, then you're "not seeing the problem" because a problem can't see itself

lol not all of us were raised by shitty parents, m8

If COINTERPRO really is behind SJWs, a furthermore r/socialism and r/latestagecapitalism mods (which when you look into the amount of shady shit reddit does with just advertisers alone isn't even that far fetched) then I think it's almost guaranteed they would also have a hand in a reactionary presents, and weirdly I feel like BlackPigeonSpeaks would be the most suspect channel - he literally came out of no where with amazingly edited videos from the very start and blew up over night.

So, what, too bad for the people who were?

I still visit /r/atheism from time to time just to laugh at those retards who think think that they have discovered the ultimate truth and that gommunism is as irrational as Islam.

yeah, and? Some of us were. What's your point?

Please let it work this time

You liked that post so much you made it twice?

That's weird to see Jimmy saying when he's on point about Democrats behaving like adult children of alcoholics. Sure, they're right-wingers but they're a step away from the right-wing they used to be when they wanted to impose religious authoritarianism.

I fail to see how having "a common interest/action" and spouting the exact same bullshit as them is not the same thing as being allied.

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the US and the Soviet Union were allied during World War 2. Sometimes groups of people with relatively few shared interests join together to pursue one big shared interest. It's not an alien concept.

If one grows more powerful than the party they're antagonizing they would likely begin to cannibalize.

Incorporating ideas from a source isn't the same thing as being an ally. And having listened to plenty of these people, it's a lot more complicated than you suggest. There are people who spout pure reactionary garbage about muh culture war; let's call them the "Last Sons of the West" or LSW. Then there are people who may or may not be positivists but tend to approach the subject with negative criticism, picking apart the ideology; these are your "Skeptics Formerly Known as Atheists" or SFKA. A lot of people are either one or the other. A lot have elements of both or fit both pretty well.

Sargon for instance is mostly a LSW with a bit of SFKA mixed in, although that's mostly pretension in an attempt to leech viewers off that camp.
Armored Skeptic on the other hand is someone who's firmly a SFKA but with the occasional tinge of LSW, but he's open minded enough that he's slowly losing the LSW traits he does have.
Mollymeme has some cred with the SFKA for going after religion and similar authorities, but underneath all of that he was a LSW all along because he never really got over his shitty childhood. Molly is actually the archetypal example of ancaps turning fash, but that's a tangential topic.

I dunno man.
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If I'm not mistaken it's from BlackPigeonSpeaks or some other of those reactionary retards. A lot of them aren't simply fighting against the social authoritarianism of le SJWs anymore, they are pretty much sneakily pushing a pure unadulterated cuntservative agenda.

Isn't BlackPidgeonSpeaks one of the new ones?
I never even heard of the guy, I really have no godly idea what his message is.

Hmm. That's a really interesting way to divide the group up that I'd never thought of before.

He's fairly new and I think he's kind of an outsider to that community still.

He's an autrightfag who gets his main money from sex tourism in asia videos.

You fellows are forgetting a somewhat distinct third group: MRAs. These people are somewhat like atheists in that they have messy personal histories (family, friends, community, school, career, etc.) that lead them to where they are now, except it's not just some wacky cult (religion in one case, 3rd-wave feminism in the other) but the full force of government and law enforcement bearing down to (literally, if they end up in the slammer, which many have) rape them raw.

Even though they come from all walks of life, a lot of these dudes hold very regressive views because of the marginalized camaraderie they've stumbled into.

I mean, the LSWs and SFKAs regularly make fun of and belittle MRAs. It's it's own thing.

When did Molymeme go full "muh West, muh whites" ? What's his ideology anyway (according to him) ?

also i find it funny how all his muh women killing the west videos are illustrated with stock photos of sexy models in swimsuits

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What the fuck?

I mean, apart from the obvious fact that all lolbertarians and ayncraps are closet fascists.

I keep saying this when I see his picture posted but fuck my ass sideways Rothbard looks like the biggest fucking dork on the planet.

Thunderf00t doesn't belong in this list.

What the absolute fuck are you on about?

he's assblasted that there are people who talk about things he doesn't like.

The former is just a liberal with disdain towards other liberals, and the latter is just a fag without a chin. I'm not entirely sure what OP is trying to get at here.

This and also don't forget the label MRA gets applied to what's more accurately called the "manosphere" which is mostly 3 distinct groups: the men's rights movement (MRM), men going their own way (MGTOW), and pick-up artists (PUA). Most people refer to any one or all three as "MRA" (which is also a malapropism because the A typically stands for activist/advocate). Those three groups tend to get in spats with each other too. The MRAs have some legitimate grievances and criticism but they also tend to be the kinds of unfortunates who are easy pickings for schoolyard-tier insults, so they don't get very far. The stigma attached creates a positive feedback loop where usually the only people who would ever join have already been through the ringer and are desperate. That often adds up to a persecution complex on top of the legitimate grievances, and it's hard for anybody, pro-, against, or neutral, to parse what is what.

Since we are talking about faggy internet communities what does Holla Forums think of MGTOW?

He says he's an ancap but there's this and the acceleration of the left-right schism. I'm thinking of that pic with left- and right-libertarians going "race you to the top" of the political spectrum chart because they realized that authoritarianism will get them to their goals of killing each other quicker than libertarianism will.

mgtow is one of the most retarded pathetic things on the internet that youtube vultures cash on

don't give a fuck

I would argue there's a fourth group, NEETs/robots, that sup from the same ideologies, even though their relationship with the others is somewhat distant and antagonistic at times due to their life histories.


The ultimate blackpill. Just two steps away from VHEM (one step away is political lesbianism).

MGTOW is extremely diverse. It ranges from legitimately pathetic virgins, cynical chauvinists, opportunists, romantic burnouts, confirmed bachelors, men of a certain age giving life advice to younger men that they wished they heard, etc. Take the current situation with relationships in western culture and imagine every possible variation of a man going "this isn't for me" and you have what MGTOW covers. What it amounts to is something like "ethical consumption" or "individual choice" but for relationships.

Stefan Molyneux is a megalomaniac cult leader who thinks he's the greatest philosopher since Socrates (seriously). He claims to have 'solved' ethics through his own theory about 'universally preferable behaviour' (basically just an ancap tinged version of Kant's categorical imperative). Scores of Molyneux listeners have also 'DeFOOed' or broken off al contact with their insufficiently ancap 'Families of Origin' at the pundit's advice. He seems to have backed down on the culty behaviour somewhat after he found a new goldmine pandering to the alt right.

they are all just one of the things you listed
opportunists

REEEEEEEEEEE

This is what happens when we are not censored.

Give us control of the press for one year and everyone will worship Hitler.

The ones with big youtube channels or equivalent are, but there are a lot who don't make a dime off it and just want to share advice and talk to people with similar experiences. They are a lot more obscure though for obvious reasons.

Simple plan man strikes again.

I believe it was around his 50th birthday.
He used to call himself an ancap, but since the whole muh West took over I haven't heard him refer to himself as a ancap. He if gets asked, I'm sure he would still say he's an ancap to save face, but back when he actually was one, he would bring it up quite often. Now he never does suggesting he's no longer an ancap.

TRUTH

I guess american 'libertarianism' has shifted in meaning over time. In the 60s, guys like Rothbard even flirted with the maoist left. Some of the people associated with the movement where individualist anarcho hippies like Karl Hess or Murray Bookchin. The Koch funded propaganda machine eventually prevailed, though. The 2008 Ron Paul campaign was probably the last to bank in this catch all populism sentiment, many leftists as well as aut righters first got politicised through that. As it stands now, the libertarian movement is pretty much dead, all that's left is fash and unironic fedora tippers.

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Setting aside a few oddballs like Praexologists or Objectivists (whose were really focused more into Scientology-tier kookery than economics), did the ideological lineage of US ancaps in the modern sense really exist distinct from other movements before the 1970s? That decade saw an explosion of things like survivalists, sovereign citizens, militias, the CATO Institute, the American Libertarian Party, and everything else related to them. And was also the decade that idpol & neolibs exploded

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They'll have figured out by then how to forcefully pacify us

This is how you know OP is an SJW.

nightmare fuel

It's simply what happens when Jewish leftists and Zionists do not control the media.

I'm pretty tempted to swear women off, tbqh. Nothing I've done in my life is harder than packing my shit up and leaving the only other person I thought understood me. I'm simply no longer interested if it isn't with her.

Apparently he was a traveling dude who banged Asians or something.

Well, now I'm jealous.

Get over yourself. The majority of shitting on religion is because religion is shit.

I understand what you mean, but that's probably going to change (and should change). I will say that men take longer to bounce back from breakups. And women often don't break up until after they've not only decided to break up but have already moved on, which is where the "cold bitch" stereotype comes from. The reasons for this are complicated. I don't think you should swear women off or keep them at a distance, but you should take this as a life lesson that this kind of thing can always happen. It usually helps to completely disconnect from someone who pulls the rug out from under you like that. Hopefully you don't have a messy divorce. There are a lot of greedy people who love to make money off it.


I agree religion is shit but the majority of shitting is recent apostates because those people have a lot more shitting to do than other critics.

Maybe the Koch brothers decided to match up to Soros?

Implying the wide-scale demonization of Muslims isn't the best thing to happen for Zionists since '67

Oh yeah, this bullshit is indirectly infecting reards here in Brazil too, especially via our celebrities and public personalities, who historically have always had, shall we say, a colonized mentality. Yesterday I saw a guy who is arguably the country's biggest comedian at the moment whining about not being able to criticize Islam (in a country with less than 40k muzzies, mind you), and tweet 3 videos """explaining""" the origin of cultural Marxism and political correctness. Fuck me rigid, sempai.

The Rebel Media
is a jewish zionist channel and american christfags suck its war mongering anti-islamic propaganda up like delicious manna

literally two weirdos with terrible voices talking into a mic

Nah, she's a good girl. She just doesn't love me anymore. I'd probably be happier if she was mean to me, but she's been nice. She just wants me gone. I know I'm going to live, but when you're with someone for over 10 years, it feels shitty. Thanks.

Don't forget this slick hipster chick calling refugees literal shit:
youtu.be/RlKUMd9vfkE

Nazis don't understand action and reaction, what with all the feels > reals business.

Did she get doxxed yet?

Reactionary politics always make a ton of cash, both from the rubes who pay for it and the billionaires who invest in it.

can't remember the last time i clicked on a youtube link and literally everything i saw was cancer

I honestly thought the aut-right wouldn't be big enough to lead to a normalization of Nazi-fascist opinions.

It's way to late now. I've had friends spouting Holla Forums memes, I see normies on YikYak asking if there is a connection between Jews and mass immigration, and now you have hipster girls with a nose ring ranting about shitskins a Jews. If you keep repeating your bullshit, over and over and over, it will eventually penetrate the normies sphere.

Normalfags have always been the bigger fascists.

also that's not even a lot of views

So I can bet this dude has never seen a muslim

Maybe, but it's a shitload of people making these videos.

And surely ou don't imply The People have been fascists, do you comr8?


Pretty much.

Also an amusing story about him. There's some Holla Forums-related back story which I'll put in spoilers, the tl;dr is that that in 2011 he made a non-malicious but very offensive joke about local Jews and the Holocaust.

Immediately, social media started doing what you know they do. The next day, the Brazilian Israelite Confederation, apparently the highest jewish organization here, already said they were looking into judicial action. The day after that, he visited the leaders of said Confederation to ask for forgiveness. Funny how some people are harder to mock than others, eh?

Bonus irony/faggotry (Irotry? Faggony?): the comedian's current Twitter profile pic is him wearing a shirt that says "if you can't take a joke, fuck you".

São Paulo has a mostly jewish neighborhood, and rather unsurprisingly it's one of the richest. Regardless, back in 2010 the city services wanted to build a subway station there, and the inhabitants didn't like it. There was some bullshit excuse about the price paid for expropriation by the government being lower than market price, but that's bullshit because you probably don't need to expropriate more than one. The real reason, well, one lady from the neighborhood put it best: "I don't use the subway and wouldn't use it. This is going to ruin the neighborhood's tradition. Have you seen the type of people who loiter around subway stations? Junkies, beggars, a different kind of people…". A long legal battle starts, blocking and unblocking the construction. Early on at this point, in 2011, the comedian says "it's no wonder the Jews are afraid of a subway station, the last time they got near a wagon they ended up in Auschwitz!". Anyway, leftwing groups protested in favor of the station, mocking the rich fucks by making an open air barbecue in their expensive neighborhood and saying things like "The same elite that praises a subway on each corner of London and Paris blocks a station in their neighborhood". Of course, our pundits supported the rich people, and weren't afraid to play the anti-semitism card. In the end, the people finally won and construction began this year.

>construction began this year.
Fucking good. Jews are like gays, I have nothing against them but their communities are absolute cancer.

That guy has some serious issues. Has anyone seen his videos on women? They're one of the few things I can legitimately say are woman hateric.

youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

You have an issue with it?

it's got mass appeal like any other feels > reals bullshit. Come to italy and see it with your own eyes. The higher in the social hierarchy you're gonna see fascists is petite (very petite) bourgeoisie. Even some lumpenproles like fascism, which is kind of tragic and hilarious at the same time. Actually the only lumpens who are guaranteed to be immune from fascism are people in the mafia.

Not saying it's not a fringe ideology or anything, but most of the fans are your run of the mill average joes.

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amazing

he is a legit neo-nazi too

Makes you think twice about dating gooks if you turn out to be a retarded woman hater.

What baffles me more are the women pandering to him and claiming he "redpilled" them. They are like the female equivalent of That Guy T shilling for fascism

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Those black chicks who interrupted sanders were always suspect to me because they weren't part of any blm organization and there old Facebook posts had them as fans of Sarah fucking Palin

I'm and I'm Mexican. Imo it boils down to 'content imperialism'. Content farm Outlets like buzzfeed or the huffington post have been openning branches throughout the periphery, assimilating local bilingual upper/middle classes into the global liberal monoculture while completely detaching them from their own societies.Scale is on the side, all local content purveyors get steam rolled or assimilate. The monoculture is 'socially liberal' but also strangely infantilising and full of insidious sillicon valley tech ideology implications.its like the old lifestyle magazines on steroids. You can tell they are trying to promote a particular model of consumer/human being. Their ideological framework is absolute and totalising.if the middle classes try to rebel against the liberal monoculture they usually end up choosing the prefab reactionary monoculture, coincidentally also dominated by anglophone content producers. That's the power of content imperialism for you.

Oh I get what you're saying. Yeah fascism has to build itself a popular base too, the useful classcucks. I thought you were kinda saying the world's people have natural fascist tendencies. Sorry.

That's a pretty tame joke honestly.

People get excited by fear and outrage, which is what these channels peddle.

This is by no means a new phenomenon. Look at Fox News, The Sun, Breitbart, and Infowars. The reactionary mind craves the rush that fear gives them.

I doubt that anything can be done about this until shit really comes crashing down. Our generation is going to die under right wing authoritarianism and in retarded culture wars.

I want to die.

>Nazi-fascist lel
LOL

He's no Adolf Hitler that's for sure…

youtube.com/watch?v=ZoPyi7yGjSo

Nu-uh, he's a jew IRL. You'll see it, if you manage to find his picture. Maybe someone here has it saved.
Very jewish face and a nasal voice. There's a reason for hiding behind a pigeon avatar.
He's in it for the shekels, as most of the "sceptics", exploiting the rise in nationalist sentiment.

You can't make this shit up

No fucking sympathy for Sargon or any of his slimy compatriots. He's had a million chances to understand and engage with the real left, but has time and time again elected to slide further to the right and even declare so called "economic communists" worse than SJWs. Him, that guy T, the lot of them are all just proto-fascist snakes with nothing worthwhile to offer.

I hope that guy T in particular gets fucking lynched by the fascists he says he would support over the left

What also plays a role is that the "race realists" won the debate on YouTube which "red pilled" many of the libertarian atheists who then became white nationalists. I don't know if you remember the debates between LibertarianRealist and the skepticalheretic? From a scientific standpoint at least he basically won the debate. Even the new atheist Sam Harris recently made a podcast with the author of "the bell curve" basically admitting to race realism.
The new atheism was always very heavily based on scientism and an evolutionary humanistic narrative that we are all equal, because we have 99.999 % of DNA in common or so. It simply lacked philosophical depth and was always scientific reductionist.
Thus it could be easily hijacked by scientific racism. "Oh, so black people have lower Autism Level due to genetics. Oh, so that means racism is completely justified now and we need a white ethnostate in order to not become dumbed down due to all the low Autism Level niggers"

His channel is fucking dead. A good majority of his subscribers are vestigial as he has trouble pulling above 300,000 views with over 4 millions subscribers where he once no less than a million views a video. He saw that his channel was on the downward slump a while ago and thought that clutching his pearls over feminism/social justice would breathe life back into his channel.

His shit was never so profound as to be reactionary it was just

I checked his channel just to make sure he hadn't gone full reactionary recently, and he actually has a video up defending Laci Green.

I don't know what language that is, but it's already my favorite language.

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Its interesting how they position themselves as above the madness but they're just as bad. Irrational manchildren who have a tantrum when they disagree with a retard.

Good post. Its larger than just the atheism community, but you are correct.
I've often noticed the similarities with modern "sjws" and the soccer mum typez I had to deal with in the 90s who wanted to ban thingslike pokemon and the simpsons. People who were once opposed to this "won't somebody please think of the children" mentality are now firmly in the same camp. Its about protecting society from itself. They are very much in the tradition of Christian moralism.
Its interesting, in regards to feminism, when you look at historical liberal feminist figures they were usually very conservative. Prohibition in the USA was because feminists wanted to protect women from domestic violence. Many women organisations oversaw poor women having their children take off them and what have you.
Its the same old liberal hypocrisy of knowing whats best for you and destroying your agency.

no you dipshit he's just a sociopath who does whatever is popular. most of those accounts weren't originally alt-right. Thunderf00t isn't alt-right he's a fedora fag from the good ole days when edgy internet culture was all about pissing off christfags who just figured out how to use facebook.

The American flag is being apropriated into a fascist symbol.

kind of wish we could go back to the good old days of fighting the good fight against Creationism, tbh

things were simpler back then

Nihilists and porkies alike will find out what's worse than hell.

Oh, worse than that, remember when Gawker got suplexed to bankruptcy in court? Guess who picked them out of the gutter before they could be broken up for spare change: Univision. Univision also bought into The Onion so as to further its turn from a humor outlet into a propaganda one.


I might be wrong, but I got the general impression during the A+ debacle that all the people who went the furthest A+ grew up in fundie households and had terrible relationship with their parents, while everyone who remained skeptical grew up in atheist/apatheist/moderate households and were on decent terms with their family. SJWs really are just born again fanatics+”fuck you dad!”

He's nothing more than a mouthpiece. I suspect Japanese reactionaries are pulling the strings.

kant solved it doe

I have never been so angry at a post in my entire life. I can hear comrade stalin screaming in my soul, telling me to slaughter the liberal bourgeois

the internet atheists aren't exactly shooting and beheading each other. Good try, comparing neckbeards shitspewing on the internet to literal blood-spilled war

yes yes you're very edgy. You can stop that now.
People aren't evil just because they disagree with you. Go back to /r/anarchism.

never been, glad to see you're familiar though

t. Carl

When they rose to prominence (~2013-2014) I thought of them as a dumb, despicable reaction to 3rd Wave Feminism by people who would go on places like /r9k/, forming a complete "coin", however, this was also the time when I completely stopped going on /r9k/ myself because I rejected the entire board because of its community having just enough genuine, insecure sociopaths that were just loud enough that it was impossible to disregard them as not representing the board as a whole. In hindsight, I suspect this was also around the time that Holla Forumsyps were trying to win robots over by exploiting their insecurities with shit like Rushton's bullshit race theory.

Now that time has past (and I'm currently going through an episode where my old robot insecurities are lingering more conspicuously), I just feel sad for the MGTOW and MRA communities now (though I have no sympathy for the PUA community whatsoever). AnNil user basically summed up the communities in and ; like /r9k/, the tragedy of these communities are that they are heavily prone to and do become victims of opportunists and loud minorities of awful people. To be honest, I think we could do a lot by approaching them with an open hand. You gotta keep in mind that these guys get fucked by Capitalist/Consumerist-induced mindsets

How long until porky starts pandering to this demographic?

Leftypol? Or YouTube ?
Because right wing think tanks are already funded by oligarchs

Breitbart & RT already do to an extent, but the typical thinktank crowd (Murdoch, the Kochs, etc.) have only just started dipping their toes in.

They really want to have their cake and eat it, both the classcuckery of these temporarily embarrassed millionaires watching opinionstube videos, and the neolib/neocon transnational wealthfare (immigration, free trade, military adventurism) such people are unsympathetic toward.

I don't think they'll do more than hedge their bets with the minimum necessary to keep right-populists on their "side" as long as they think there's still some way to bury the phenomenon.

I won't lie I miss the old days when people used to actually make original content on the internet and people didn't just make money by bitching on youtube. Anyone else miss the web animation and skit era.

The pre YouTube days were something else
Hell even early YouTube had some genuinely groundbreaking ways of looking at audience interaction and creator owned content

I do. The ranting community was alway there but most of them went after low hanging fruit(teen pop music, popular channels, video games, etc.)instead of politics.

Remember when internet rants were made with Windows Movie Maker transitions and notepad?

Why do you guys think left wing YT isn't as big? Like Muke etc.?

I think it's half that we just aren't as trendy and in the zeitgeist, but honestly I do believe that the SJW/anti SJW divide is being promoted on purpose by big money while we are not. Youtube's algorithms are completely opaque, they can put whatever videos they like in the trending sections and it has nothing to do with popularity or quality.

Places like PragerU and (as a liberal example) SchoolOfLife have the backing of multi million dollar firms and advertising. The ones who sprouted without such aid almost always piggybacked off of another community (atheism, skeptics, gamergate, etc) and slowly attracted a horde of tards tangentially related to their original community by drip feeding them political content.

Leftist jewtubers, to my understanding, have not had the same circumstances.

Also, Muke is an underagedb& with no editing skills, bad hardware, little charisma and the impression in much of his earlier videos that he has little idea of what he's talking about.

A mix of lack of financial backing and being late to the party (leftist were more likely to scoff at GG when it started)

what youre seeing is people taking advantage of an opportunity.
theres always people taking advantage of and riding on current trends. and the powers that be thrive in this kind of social chaos as it breeds all kinds of opportunities to exploit. they engineered it in the first place.

Can we please not become Holla Forums?

Thats never stopped any right winger, alt righter, anti-sjw, or le rational skeptic from going on and on about 'marxism' when they couldn't tell you the first thing about historical materialism, the revolutions of 1848, or the organic composition of capital.

We should promote muke and other leftist YTers IMO.

Youtube has always been cancer. Nearly everything I like on Youtube started elsewhere, then got ripped uncredited to Youtube by scum, bringing the creator with them, where Youtube's laziness sucked all the passion for OC out of them.

Probably the example that saddens me the most is Egoraptor. Guy could've been the next J. Kricfalusi, instead he's Pewdiepie-lite.

Nobody's saying this, though. Some of these (PragerUniversity for example) genuinely ARE paid shills, others are just useful idiots and dumb fucks with large communities behind them, and that seems to be the consensus in this thread.

Someone needs to update the marxist youtube sources list or w/e to account for the newer youtubers and podcasters

Exactly, but most of these people gained their subs via piggybacking off of other communities, sometimes for close to a decade. They didn't get popular because of their lack of knowledge and charisma, they got popular in spite of it, due to large communities being involved.

Yeah it's very odd how the "trust no one" demographic shifted to "society is fine but x is corrupting it" narrative.

So how do you propose we promote left-wing youtube? There's plenty of small obscure leftist channels that make decent content.

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well, i do believe that if things were as they seemed on the surface (or at least, were as advertised) and the majority of these people involved in the shaping of society werent playing super dirty, that things would even out pretty fast.
its easy for most people to see that something suspicious is going on with this or that group and the popularization of the internet brought in a lot of people who were already dispositioned towards something or another that they might be blind to the idea that something they believed in or relied on is also part of the same problems they hate.
perhaps given time they would have been more resistant to such games. but that fruit was picked while it was ripe.

Who's the chick? Also, please never post this picture again it is way too autistic

youtube.com/channel/UCepkun0sH16b-mqxBN22ogA

Mexie

Someone with graphic skills should put these groups and the creators in it in a neat infographic. Know your enemy and all that, and know where weaknesses for conversion are.

That's horrifying, though I've seen it happen ere in Yurop too. It's sad how political opinions have just become another branded commodity the bourgeois elite can go and buy (or rather, be sold) on the world market.

It's the good old puritan tradition of North East US elites that has found a new life.

How would that work, though? Creating content that is geared towards their concerns? That won't be easy, the current consensus on "will I have a gf under socialism" seems to be that there are no guarantees about what will happen, and that a minority of incels will be had to avoid bar some kind of volunteer or state intervention. That's a hard sell if I ever saw one.

Yeah but how will capitalism guarantee them a gf? Sure the alt right will say no sex b4 marriage and therefore people will marry young like they used to, but unless there's forced marriage or something what woman would marry an incel neckbeard willingly? The real problem with those guys is their own fucked up expectations, not any particular economic system.

I guess one selling point will be that in a class society like capitalism some people appear way better and will therefore attract mates based on wealth, etc. Whereas under socialism with relatively equal wealth things will be more about personality than money

shit man, I actually knew this guy from the late 90s / early 00s when we were both just kids running shitty Megaman fansites. Chatted with him and a few other guys almost daily for a couple years, but the group sort of dissolved when the guy who held it together died (RIP Gary)

Was surreal when I came across like a decade later and he was some kinda Big Deal. I miss the old internet.

Just mutually recognize their plight? You don't even need to go out of your way to make content that caters to them; all you need to do is recognize their problems (i.e. problems they face due to standards brought upon by consumerism, etc.) like any other group should someone that associates themselves with MRA or (especially) MGTOW stumble on here. It's very subtle, but providing a leftist explanation for men's problems shows that leftists recognize their problems and even be willing to at least try to solve their problems

Some people on here will probably object, but a pretty nasty secret of this board are the instances of knee-jerk rejection of people that associate themselves with /r9k/ which is, as I said in my post, unfortunately understandable as the community has just enough loud, awful people to make them its stereotype

The thinkery is Sargon's second channel, also keep e-celeb garbage in the leftytrash thread

That is just the convert's zeal. People who don't want to be reminded where they came from ;)

You are right re giving leftist explanations for people's problems. Holla Forums already does well in this regard, as there is no or at least less reflexive beating down of MRA etc. to virtue signal. What I do find is that many robot types tend to be rather hard to talk to, falling quickly into angry ranting about perceived persecution. That can be hard to respectfully respond to.

I remember watching his stuff on newgrounds I don't know how long ago, those were fun times. Second favorite artist on the site after Greasy Moose. Sam T was also pretty funny during those long ago Bush years.

But there are much more socialist/liberal/SJW channels?

Like what? Maybe I'm just not familiar with them, except buzzfeed, which granted, is huge, but the backlash against them is also huge so…. meh.

On the other hand, I watch one damn video and i get recommended 'stephan molyennial woes sjw cringe reckt compilation' all fucking day, the alt right seems to have broken the secret of youtube SEO or something.

Youtubes definitely more right wing, twitter is where the liberals are.. and maybe quora

Check leftytrash.

The backlash is definitely not as huge as corporate-funded liberal channels, the huge amount of amateur SJW channels.

Right wing channels just have more views and exposures because people like them.

I've noticed it too. The boom in right-wing outlets over the last few years has been remarkable. They've essentially created an echo chamber; it's the same people taking potshots at easy targets over and over.

If you watched any of either, you'd know. They're all attentionwhores at heart, so they're constantly doing hours-long lazy Skype circlejerk "livestreams" with each other and lazy crosscut "response videos" toward their ideological opposites, instead of videos full of analysis and graphics that take actual effort.

Does not stop them from existing.

Right wing channels are a matter of quality > quantity.

I was referring to both partisans in the opinionstube talking-into-a-camera war

So why do people like right wing channels more?

Tough question, but even though there are a lot of Tumblrina channels and the like, probably because anyone interested in SJW/neolib/neocon/christard material can get all they want from mainstream outlets.

This might be my inner Dubya-era fedoralord talking, but another suspicion of mine (related to the right-winger love of talk radio) is that they are more predisposed to ingest prechewed ideology in the form of droning background soundbites, whereas we leftists do strange things like reading books and participating in philosophical debate groups.

Soundbites and memes are agitprop tho, easily digestible bits of theory for the everyman, leftist theory is too complicated for people to give a shit, at least at first

I absolutely agree we need more retard-friendly outlets (all of which should have an "in" to something timely and detailed, like the relationship between pamphlets and newspapers in socialism's heyday), but I suspect this predilection may be responsible for the difference in polemical habits between us and them.

that's an awful image and the thought someone made it makes me cringe

pic related, it's as bad as this

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Black pigeon speaks is mehhhh. Interesting to hear but don't believe it all.

yeowch! seafood soup!

Well that much is kind of a given, isn't it? Liberals and fascists are both allies of capital, after all.

They're 100% right, but it is the ultimate "unholy truth." Your biology screams against you not to acknowledge it. Your brain turns away from it like it is being pulled by away a magnet.

Try it. Try to think about criticisms of women and you will find your mind blank and a feeling of despair will overtake you. It's like you're being hacked by the will of the species.

Yes, the sad truth is that you, the lowly male, are completely disposable and meant by God (Nature) to be eaten and processed into nutrition by the Great Roastie.

This is all because youtube changed the search algorithm to secure the dominance of money as power.
Not even joking. Every change they've made has helped porky and no one else. TV now dominates youtube because most content producers can't consistently make an hour of content per day and no one can make an hour of intelligent content per day.

This sounds like a personal problem

Did you attempt the experiment?
No, because you're a useful idiot for the cunts.

I can think of plenty of criticisms of women, nu-faggot

And yet you'll still bend over backward to defend them and call me a faggot.
Enjoy "manning up" i.e. being a slave to the cunts and having your labor and eventually life-force totally devoured.

Did you know being with a woman literally drains your testosterone i.e. feminizes and castrates you. You physically become a bitch.

psypost.org/2010/03/2010-commitment-relationship-testosterone-396

Your redirection of all aggression towards emasculating me only proves my point. You are psychologically paralyzed when it comes to the female question.

I'm on it. It'll have an explanation at the top and a political alignment esque chart at the bottom.

This is gonna be a wall of text because it needs to be.

Speaking of the men's rights movement specifically, there are leftists in it. They're just a small minority. I doubt it for MGTOWs and PUAs because their ideas are mostly incompatible. There's an undercurrent of insistence that men's issues are not partisan, but that gets downplayed because the conservatives are either a larger portion or just plain louder than the others. The approach that would make the most sense to me would be to look for the most reasonable content creators among them and try to talk to them about politics/economics. Keep in mind the main difference between them and regular old liberals is that they've had experiences that make it impossible for them to just go on supporting the system as it is.

PUAs are not worth bothering with IMO (Look below for example), but MRAs and MGTOWs could be at least shifted left if not outright recruited if we can give them answers they're looking for (can't speak about r9k/robots, not familiar enough). Honey Badger Radio (international group of MRA youtubers) does "Fireside Chat" videos where they talk to people, sometimes people who disagree with them like youtube feminists. Some are basic liberals and at least a couple have been publicly talked into changing their beliefs, although at least one is a staunch conservative. For the MGTOWs the only name that springs to mind is Thinking-Ape on youtube. He's one of the older ones and tries to be as rational as possible. He's a very downplayed version of the "culture warrior" type who's into the evopsych thing. Sometimes he has debates or conversations with people. Both of these specific examples (as far as I can tell) labor under the belief that socialism is a welfare state and communism is Stalinism. I doubt they've ever really heard from a leftist for very specific reasons.

For the most part these people are not really special regarding lack of exposure to the left. Their concept of leftism is on par with most people's. The difference is that they regularly interact (indirectly) with idpol liberals who pretend to be from and sometimes actually do intersect with the left. You would probably avoid the left too if your exposure to the left was Buzzfeed's "Questions for White People" or "Questions for Men" videos (more or less speaking from personal experience here). Nobody else from the left (or anywhere else usually) bothers approaching these groups because the idpolers do such a consistent job smearing them. This bears emphasizing: Liberal/idpol feminists are so successful at controlling the narrative surrounding the "manosphere" that even self-described anti-feminists routinely believe and circulate the misconceptions they create.

For a real-time example of the above, watch the Drunken Peasants read a headline from XO Jane that labels Roosh V an MRA (he's a pickup artist who doesn't like MRAs). youtu.be/kmcAxL8H5Lo?t=1h28m01s They immediately repeat it as if it is true. Later, Ben breaks the sarcasm to outright say "This is why I couldn't be an MRA." youtu.be/kmcAxL8H5Lo?t=1h34m52s This is a podcast that occasionally does a "Feminist Slam Poetry" segment for mocking purposes.

Now I could get tinfoily but I'll just point out that driving the working class apart, especially driving white men away from the left (and everyone else toward the pseudo-left), is perfectly in line with the methods of COINTELPRO. The more a group can be kept on the fringe and demonized, the less able they are to organize effectively. The people they drive to the fringe (right, left, or other) end up either being actually terrible (idpol bigots of all stripes) or they get demonized by association with those people.

Tell you what, I'll throw in another name of someone who might be reachable. Bane666au has probably a hundred hours on his youtube channel by now where he dissects the kind of propaganda I reference in the above paragraph. He considers himself both an MRA and MGTOW and is generally approachable and good-humored. A while back he did some streams with a self-described "egalitarian" woman and the man from the Skeptic Feminist channel (the one who recently killed his girlfriend). He would probably be open to talk to leftists; as far as I know, he's the disaffected "apolitical" type. I don't know much about the politics in Australia though (his home country).

guys pls

Lol no dumbass. I'm saying women fucking suck and if you can't think of anything bad to say about them it's because you're a fucking cuck not because you're biologically programmed to like them

I'd argue that that's anti-Semitism, but then again, I'm biased.

While the hierarchy of forbidden truths will depend on your local culture, in most of the West, it's roughly:

Christians -> Muslims -> Trannies -> Gays -> Women -> Capitalists -> Blacks -> Jews

The perfidy of our world isn't that there is an illusion from which people must wake up, but that there are layers of illusions, and that people on each level think they are woke, while denouncing those above them as extremists.

The internet is a marketplace of ideas, but the people participating in said market don't have much experience with political philosophy. They're barely familiar with the works and ideas of Plato, Aristotle, Machiavelli, Rousseau, Hobbes, Ayn Rand, Marx, etc.

They're usually teenagers or young adults, they spend most of their time playing video games, browsing sites like Reddit or Facebook, watching anime or whatever is popular on Netflix at the time.

Then shit like Gamergate or OccupyWallStreet happens, and these people band together in a popular movement, except said movement is only held together by one general and undefined idea (Anti-feminism and Anti-political correctness in the case of the first, equality, anti-elitism and anti-rich people in the case of the latter). I'm going to focus on the first one since I used to read a lot about it back when it happened so I'm more familiar with it.

Gamergate was never really about ethics in games journalism, no one fucking cares if the hipster who works at Kotaku gave Walking Simulator 2017 a 9/10 because he used to date the lead programmer back in college. Gamergate at it's core has always been about anti-feminism and anti-political correctness. The problem with having your movement founded around two vague ideas is that anyone can co-opt the movement because they also hate Tumblr and SJWs, people with more dangerous ideologies. This is precisely what happened when people like Mike Cernovich, Vox Day or Milo Yiannopoulos started writing about and supporting Gamergate.

Now, since hating SJWs seems to be the latest fad, you have dozens of "rational and logical" channels popping up, like the ones OP posted, they talk about the evils of feminism and political correctness, and then you get people like PJW, BlackPidgeonSpeaks or Stefan Molyneux who go beyond that and start pushing far-right propaganda.

Now the same people who don't know shit about political philosophy get drawn to said Youtubers, they think they're getting redpilled but they're just being fed propaganda, cherrypicked statistics and misinterpreted facts, they're being played like fiddles. Finally you end up with these people ranting about free speech because it turns out most internet communities have rules that forbid being an asshole.

You're half right. It was co-opted, which is how it became about anti-feminism and anti-political correctness. At a certain point they started archiving threads. If anyone is autistic enough they can read through them over time and watch the conversation shift. Originally it was very much about ethics in games journalism and kicking out the people who were turning video games into their activism playground, but as you say vague ideas are easily co-opted. Not kicking out Holla Forums was a big problem. For several months the focus was on sending emails and spreading the word about how invasive trust fund kids were maneuvering into the industry and making it riskier to do business since they were intent on smearing people with the wrong politics. You couldn't really get this information by reading about gamergate unless you happened to read the few obscure sites that made an honest attempt at understanding it. That was GG's other big problem - not caring about PR.

Yeah I honestly have no idea what the fuck this dude is talking about. I don't really think I'm sexist, more I just think Women and Men are different, but I can easily thinks of dozens of things I find annoying about Women.

Noice post. Screencap'd.

The best MGTOW content creators on youtube are IMHO "Colttaine", "Barbarossa"(Bar bar) and "Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Mgtow". What they have in common, outside the rigor of their arguments, is a rejection of consumer culture and the idea that "Capitalism is a state of nature" which is shared by a lot of normies. That is, they challenge the precepts of capitalism (material possessions or career will make you happy, the boss is an innocent person, etc), even though they don't give an alternative solution. "Groundwork" actually did an amazing point on the exploitation of the employee which I've never encountered before and would make Marx proud: youtube.com/watch?v=BOzzxMtNJPA&t=1130s
The part starts at 19:00
Also, Colttaine recently debunked the idea that there even is a Culture War to begin with in his latest video:
youtube.com/watch?v=FKwfmrxDHW4&t=3045s

no this is bullshit and a huge number of GG people myself included were pissed off about ME3 and DAI and other games getting great reviews because reviewers were going to coke parties with execs from EA. Fuck off with this narrative. Its not because "ew girls are icky, stay way from my vidya" its because they were practicing blatantly gangster capitalism with reviews and pre-orders.

>barely' familiar with the ideas of Plato, Aristotle, Machiavelli, Rousseau, Hobbes, Ayn Rand, Marx
m8, I think you're giving people a bit too much credit there.


Friend, we're guests here. The least you could do is be polite to the user whose posts you also completely misread.

Thanks, my knowledge is embarrassingly dated. I stopped paying close attention to the manosphere a couple years ago once it had reached its "mature" form. You highlight an important point, which I have included in my infographic, that some MGTOWs have potential for staunch anticapitalism given their views on the vacuousness of consumerism. Do you have a recommendation for one of the rigorous MGTOWs to serve an archetypal example? A big chunk of the infographic is breaking down MGTOW, which is significantly more complex than the other two.

That shit has been going on since video game magazines were a thing, and it's not exclusive to video games, you should read pic related. I think there are bigger threats to journalism going on than video game companies using IGN or Gamespot as a marketing outlet.


Yet if you go into r/KotakuinAction, you'll see that most of the posts aren't about "ethics in game journalism" but about whatever antics the SJWs are up to.

Like I said, GG has been co-opted by those people, like you said. But consider that for a thing to be co-opted, it must have been something else initially.

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Of course there are. Gaming journalism is insignificant. That's not the point, which is, GG was right all along, and got rolled over by gregarious hipsters with more hair dye than capacity for empathy.

There's only so much dirt on a circlejerk of journos with an inferiority complex to be uncovered. Filling a fucking website with it is enough.

I am usually not one for conspiracy theories (especially when presented in these schizo pics) but Occupy movement actually scared bourgie america, and they hit back beyond all reasonable scale. It literally got crushed and ended the necessary discussion for years. It demoralized shitloads of people and probably helped Trump. Given this imense paranoi some FBI action like during the 60s is completely rational and likely.

For me, the key point of GG from the start (and before, to around 2007) wasn't corruption, though that played a substantial part, nor a clash of cultures with the pretentious PoMos, though they were certainly worming their way into outsized influence for their popularity.

The key issue of GG for me was that the gaming/tech/geekdom/journo establishment and leftism had always been staunchly protective of artistic freedom until that time. As corrupt, slimy, backstabbing, and unqualified as they might have been, they never backed down from accusations by propagators of "moral" panic and politicization that gaming should be curtailed or destroyed.

What made SJWs so strange and menacing was that the same people who had been ceaselessly fighting against this pseudoscientific scaremongering from Mortal Kombat through GTA into Jack Thompson, were magically brainwashed into spouting the arguments they'd habitually debunked just two or three years earlier verbatim, as though alien parasites had taken up residence in their skulls. And NOBODY openly objected to it for YEARS, because it was "leftist".

SJWs weren't just corrupt or annoying, they were a potential DEATH SENTENCE for gaming, and freedom in general.

This is one of the reasons i stopped paying any attention to Sargon, his lefty concern troll bullshit. Who does he think he's fooling with that? I guess someone, maybe a lot, but I'm not watching some bs artist lying to my face. He made some ok points early on attacking sjw's, but that's kind of fish in a barrel. He's just a cringy right wing propagandist nowadays.

i only cared about it because it was affecting video games

For me, the argument was purely aesthetic.

Even though I may not be a fascist, sometimes I like to indulge "the feeling of being a fascist", which video games allow me to do.

This new generation of reviewers started to condemn even "the feeling or fantasy of being a fascist or other meanie" and, even worse, the agency to do so in your fantasies. For example, even the option to do evil things in games should be prohibited.

To me, this is an attack on the aesthetic and something that narrows the spectrum of human experience. This isn't a new principle and is partially why Triumph of the Will and Birth of a Nation are (were?) taught in film classes.

Add to this that the games market is lucrative and novelty-hungry enough to support just about anything* and these self-appointed guardians of taste and public safety become nakedly superfluous and intolerably obnoxious. They're neopuritan censors who narrow the range of possibility and distort the independent market through brazen ideological nepotism.

*Gone Home, Life is Strange, Firewatch, other hipster fodder made tens of millions and continue to make tens of millions. There's a huge audience for just about anything if it's reasonably well-made.

Your post is very interesting in that there is a particular style and rhythm to it that makes you appear wise, even though what you say is kinda stupid. I will try my best to steal that style.
There were LOTS of people in OWS that I wouldn't call teenagers or young adults. And what on earth makes you think that OWS was full of internet addicts and gamers?
>I'm going to focus on GG since I used to read a lot about it back when it happened so I'm more familiar with it.
Words about it… written by whom?
I dispute that. You could say that it never was exclusively about that. If you say that it was merely an alibi I'm going to dispute that, too. The thing is that a lot of that stuff is kinda tedious and it doesn't work well to generate the clickbait crap that everybody reads (including you). I doubt you remember anything about the beginning of Polygon that was discussed.

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This person gets me.

they dont believe in anything. its a face they put on because they get brownie points with the biggest demographic

I think I can agree with that. As an exchristian, I'll fairly frequently talk trash about christianity and christfags, but when someone who seemingly was never christian themselves talk shit I'll sometimes get a bit defensive if they're talking out their ass.

Cut this shit out.

Where did you read this? Kotaku?

This.
I was in the skeptic community all the way back since 2009-2010 I have seen this unfold in this way.

Really fires the synapses

YouTube got popular from vlogging, user.
YT has always been an aggregation of trash.

Not hard to do when Islam has been nothing but a menace where ever it rears its historically ugly head.

MGTOW is so fucked in a lot of ways that it was the triggering experience that made me awake and finally realize that right wing ideas are completely fucked up.

Very informative, thanks. I'll also add that it's not just that the MRA and MGTOW are tarnished by association with rightist idpol, but also by (and I know I'm going out on a feminist limb here) being perceived as emasculated and unmanly. A man who whines about being treated unfairly is perceived as less of a man for it, because as we all know men have to be stoic, especially vis-à-vis women. They are easily dismissed by the cool crowd as "having gone through a bitter divorce" etc. I think that underlies a lot of the sentiments like the one from the DP-panel.

Yes, I think it's Colttaine, He also tried to categorize the Manosphere in a video:
youtube.com/watch?v=u79_-DFzc5o

YouTube algorithm is pretty fucked or somethings fishy going on when this pops up for a pro union song video

Remember when the Amazing Atheist was good?
Yeah, me either.

The fact that I was really into his videos back in like 2007 is one of my biggest embarrassments. I was an edgy 15 year old with no friends and he was the autistic retarded screaming into the void that appealed to me. I just hope that the edgy teens that are falling into this reactionary period of YouTube will grow out of it like I did during the atheist era of YouTube.

Yeah, the algorithm loves to suggest reactionary channels. I can watch a couple unrelated gaming videos and suddenly get my recommendations flooded with "feminazi fails" and "altright meme compilations" and other such shit.

The right is winning this culture war against the SJWs because they are so easy to mock and their ideology is no fun allowed tier.
This is why you see people who are not really right wing themselves parrot our narration. Most of them probably don't even know that there's anything between SJWs and the so-called alt-right or don't care. Being anti-SJW grants them views.
I don't understand why you'd see any conspiracy here because the right is just as hated by the porkies as far left if not more.
Unless you want to believe that this is some kind of 5D Jenga.

all the so called libertarians will see the wall eventually

give it time

This is either Holla Forums or radical centrist liberal tier analysis.
Believe it or not, most capitalists would actually prefer their property rights to be doggedly protected than they would having the concept of private property dissolved.

I am a right-winger although I am too much of a special snowflake to identify myself as a Holla Forumsack.
Sure they would but they don't need to fear that because of how weak the far left is. It's completely co-oped by the SJWs. And even if it was stronger it wouldn't happen anyway, the left never achieved that in the past and capitalists just move away from commie countries. At worst you'd kill off some of the elites but the same is going to happen if far right got their way.

REMEMBER THE WISE WORDS OF THAT BOLSHEVIK PHILOSOPHER:

In the video that was linked he quotes some theorist inspired by fucking Freudian psychology to make a link between promiscuity of western women and Islamic refugees/immigration. Hes basically the Glenn Beck of alt right ism

This. There are large, active far-right orgs actively fighting against mass immigration, free trade, and military adventurism right now. In comparison, there are astonishingly few leftist (or even centrist) orgs that are opposed to free trade, and precisely zero IRL that have anti-immigration as a core plank of their platform. Keep in mind, with the historical stonewall opposition of the labor union movement against immigration, this is UNPRECEDENTED.

As both a result and a cause, the far-right varies anywhere from PC open season by the mainstream left/center/right, to outright illegal. Meanwhile the entire left (including the furthest reaches of the far-left) varies from überpozzed SJWs frantically shilling for neoliberalism, to a thin skim of terrified entryists (Bernie, Melancheon, Corbyn, etc.) who occasionally whisper something about bringing back tariffs and immigrant quotas.

We don't need to be suppressed, because we DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY PIECES ON THE BOARD.

communistpartyofireland.ie/sv2016-08/05-immigration.html

Not a single channel or person you listed is a "reactionary" thinker. Most of the ones you linked are opportunistic alt-media types who crawl internet forums every hour of every day looking for compelling content, and then they push it. They are riding the wave of sentiment, and are at least 50% out just to make money. They are an indicator species, nothing more. Perfect example: Molyneux. Was "libertarian" until he whiffed the winds of change and altered his "philosophy". He has been persistently behind the reactionary avant-garde by about 15 months for the last decade it feels like.

This class of people is probably endemic to any society of a certain size that has mass communication technology. Some MIGHT be controlled opposition, but I doubt it. CIA niggers are thinking on a MUCH bigger scale, i.e. they own all of CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. Anderson Cooper is literally ex-CIA. They CLAIM they quit project mockingbird years ago. I actually don't doubt this; they don't pay off media elites anymore, they just install ones with their agendas, or install literally ex-agents as media heads.

Anyway, it's hard to describe exactly what "reactionary" philosophy looks like, and it's currently gaining currency as a catch-all term. However, it frustrates us on the right to no end that people are trying to put a label on this. Most of us have had right-leaning sentiments for YEARS, from different sources, and are totally flabbergasted by the explosion just like you are. But don't agree on much yet; we probably all read Nietzsche, but that's about it. Nazis don't get along with Carlyle reactionaries, don't get along with ancaps, don't get along with universalist traditionalists, don't get along with Christian traditionalists, don't get along with Monarchists, don't get along with WhiteNationalists, etc. etc. The pushing of the alt-right label is an obvious media ploy to make us easier to attack and discredit. There is much less unity among rightists than the terms "alt-right" or "reactionary" might suggest, which will probably mean it will be a lot longer before rightists accomplish anything substantial, but also means they will be harder to eradicate as an ideological block.

Brett Stevens at Amerika is a tireless propagandist, but he has good taste and has a good breakdown of all the different blogs for various right factions here: (not him, actually hate his writing now, just a useful list)

hteeteep://neoreactionarymap.blogspot.com/

hteeteep://www.amerika.org/blogs/#aggregators

I don't know enough to say, but praxeologists (by which I assume you mean people who regard Mises as the intellectual core) would consider themselves ancaps if that term was around back then and described to them.

Woo boy,i remember when that was still in its early concept.
Forgot all about it.
Gamergate was the epitome of wasted potential.

B A S E D

what? Bourgie America hit back against Occupy movement? How? I don't think it scared them at all, little babby occupy movements were tolerated in all medium and major cities for months, even years afterwards.

Too lazy to look it up but Occupy was definitely brought down internally by IC; a lefty friend narrated the whole takedown to me and it sounded convincing: paid off "hackers", controlled opposition, all the usual shit

capd

His point's still good; they're (creationists) not the biggest demographic, but they're fucking huge; it's a balancing act for politicians.

Anyone got a source on the music in this?

Why aren't you using youtube+?

github.com/ParticleCore/Particle/wiki/Features

Never mind that you can blacklist alt-right garbage and fake news, you can also filter out all the shilled paid for content on the trending pages and recommended tabs, so you won't have to see James Corden/Fallon/Kimmel, John Oliver or Katy Perry/Gaga ever again.

Why can't rightfaggers git gud at making memes?

Working on the infographic, I gotta say


Excellent point that I neglected to mention. This is most obvious at the 🍀🍀🍀intersection🍀🍀🍀 between men's issues and black issues. Being "thug" or "real nigga" is an exaggerated, racist version of generalized male gender roles. I would think that talking to leftists other than the shame-happy idpolers there is little need to explain this problem though.

dafont.com/
Here, I think these are all free

Thanks, but I already got what I was looking for. Wanted some commie-looking ones for this. Most were bad faux-Cyrillic. The really nice looking ones were ~$40 USD, but what I've got is alright.

Can someone please tell me what that song is?

Never get anything faux cyrillic, something blocky and sans serif would suit the Soviets. Think "authoritarian: the font".

Kek, the first "Russian" one that came up is what I'm describing
dafont.com/molot.font

I don't know. It's something I often hear peddled on the dirtbag left also (especially Chapo - frankly, I don't have any illusions about them anymore, they are idpollers that were bitten by other idpollers, but no less idpol for it).

Anyway, it's a sad paradox that as a man you are open to attack even from the nominal left as being either too tradman (thug) or not tradman enough (incel etc.). Such is the pervasive poison of idpol. The question should be, are you a good human, and not, are you a good man.

facebook.com/Karlremarks/photos/a.401607333254173.93233.395292190552354/957588044322763/?type=3&theater

Hmmmmmmmmmm

But they became interchangeable once free world had to gather ideological allies against the soviets. It is saddening to see the secularization of Islam to die off shortly after the independence of Saudi Arabia, and the final death throw being put in place by CIA with their coup in Iran.

The YouTube algorithm favorize conspiracy theory ( and therefore alt right) .
https:[email protected]/* *//how-youtubes-a-i-boosts-alternative-facts-3cc276f47cf7

So according to that image, Video Games are a great tool for suppression then?

The main reasons for these channels is to propagate to younglings. Simple as that. They want their shitty right-wing ideas to be kid-friendly so they don't have to think. Have you ever seen an SJW video with more likes than dislikes?

Sounds really, REALLY similar to Susumu Hirasawa's work, particularly the OST for Paranoia Agent (whose plot is highly relevant to that video).


The more fun people have, the nicer they tend to be.

What is to be considered a violent crime? The landowner thinks vandalism is a violent crime.

In burgerland, violent crime includes murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Property crime includes burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson.

the point is not to imply there's something wrong with them the point is to show that those three things alone make up the possible manifestations of "spontaneous order", a sacred cow libertarian concept.

Why can't lefties appreciate it when we mock libertarians?

***"DON'T make up the entirety of the possible man…"

fuck

That's you guys

I don't think there's a conspiracy, I just think it's a bunch of retards taking advantage of the idiocy of other retards to make money with shitty topics and "commentary."

Good ol' Sargon. FEMINISM THING THAT HE SCROLLS DOWN. "HAHAHAHAHA YOU HAHAHAHHA A" FAKE LAUGH. "HAWHAHHAHAHWDHAHWDHAHWDHAWH YOU CAHWHAHHAHWHAWHWH WOEMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

More fake laughing.

Gamergate is what started the rise of people like Milo and Sargon though. Now the gaming communities are so anti-sjw that if you show a white guy as an enemy or a game with a black protag, the comment section will look just like Holla Forums.

Here's a preview of what the chart portion of the infographic will look like, extremely WIP. Placement/inclusion is solely to give an impression of how it'll look. I'm in the process of populating my list of manosphere people (feel free to reply with suggestions of anti-feminist, men's rights, or MGTOW content creators). I'm going to stick the list at the bottom with people's names next to faces or logos. There's also a manosphere crash course above this, but that's currently in 100% text form that I'll reduce to a more appealing look.
After watching this video I realized it would be better to ignore the PUAs in favor of anti-feminists. PUAs have minimal chance of conversion and are much less complex in terms of community. I don't think anti-feminists are part of the manosphere so much as its answer to the alt-right's "alt-lite". Most anti-fem content creators themselves are probably hopeless but like points out, their audience is very impressionable. Given that they have a lot of pretense toward skepticism and like "debates" for drama and views, they are also a much better choice to include.


I've got that one, but the one, but it's not good for body text. Going with something plain (Tahoma) on that for now. I'm using Troika for the headings.
dafont.com/search.php?q=troika


Yeah, I've paid enough skeptical attention to the manosphere types and to human interaction in general to know what you mean. Much as I dislike them, the PUAs have a concept that I think is not just useful here but important in general: "holding frame." That is, remaining steadfast in your attitudes, postures, and assumptions so that the people you interact with can't treat you as a game piece. The point of this is to avoid people (especially women to the PUAs) from drawing you into their headspace; instead you may end up drawing them into yours. I think it's important when discussing any issues poisoned by idpol to "hold frame" on exactly this idea:
In that context it's a defense against the trend of diversionary tactics meant to confuse and draw people away from something inconvenient. It's generally easy for faculties of reason to be overwhelmed with information - such as in a Gish Gallop - or suppressed by emotional appeals. As long as you "hold frame," or keep yourself anchored on the point, it's easy to return to it again (though doing this can make people very mad).


This kind of thing is why the left needs to be targeting these communities yesterday.
Imagine if every time a publisher did something greedy instead of saying they "Jewed" people, the comments said they "porked" them. There's a bizarre trend on the left where people see reactionaries in a space and go "Guess this space is our enemy now." Bullshit. The reactionaries can sway them; so can we.

These types have existed forever. Alex Jones has literally been doing the same thing for twenty years. They've only gotten popular recently because people really hate leftism and will take just about anyting as a substitute. Just accept that you're out of touch and stop blaming everything on external causes.

what's the point if they don't leave racism/sexism behind? or are you hoping exposure to actual leftism will do that?

I mean, they went apeshit because one of the guys in the new star wars movie was black.

Ok let me be clearer.

There are new people coming into communities all the time and usually there's a silent majority who don't adhere to the politics of the most vocal few. The reason those vocal few can dominate a community is because they put in the time pushing their ideology. They won't get everybody but a certain percent of newcomers or neutrals are going to adopt that ideology in whole or in part. When this ideology is uncontested its adherents will turn the community into an echo chamber, enhancing this effect. When the ideology is contested, echo chambers are harder to form.

Leftists in a space dominated by the right are not going to sway the people who are already Nazis (usually), but can sway the newcomers and neutrals the same way the right does. If leftists insert themselves into these communities they can siphon their own share toward the left. If leftists abandon any community that gets enough vocal reactionaries or fascists, that amounts to surrendering any possible influence the left could have over that space and its population. The logic of "This community is reactionary" is stereotyping and it works to our disadvantage.

sounds good

No, the whole of the left has has.


It could have started the rise of a million leftists too if only they had stood up to the clownhaired liberals the constantly complain about. The real left missed the GG bandwagon out of its own free will for god knows what reason, and now it's paying the price.


This guy knows what's up.


He really knows what's up. The left handed a big demographic to the aut-right on a platter.

That's not being anti-sjw, that's just being plain racist. In fact by acting like this they are unironically justifying the sjw behavior.

Well there's this
The left and pseudo-left have been pulling this "stay away from icky fashy spaces" schtick probably because of the belief that there's nothing to be done with people. The left has been a wreck for long enough that people don't intuitively associate leftism with agitation, education, and organization. Instead it's just pageantry and circlejerking over theory (not that these don't have their place). I have a hard time blaming people for this, because the left has been in a state comparable to Lenin since before most had any real awareness or involvement.

And add in the internet being really fucking excellent at dividing people into opposing factions just for shits and giggles. Part of that is just human nature qua tribalism. Remote communication in and of itself reducing empathy, which enhances the effects of tribalism. Another part is that the "material conditions" of internet platforms shapes what kind of discussions can take place. Anybody familiar with the typical imageboards vs reddit feuding should understand this. For a concrete example of this, youtube's "engagement" metric used to determine what videos to promote incorporates comments, likes, and - crucially - dislikes. Since people tend to have a lower threshold to negatively rate something bad than to positively rate something good, this means that videos that piss people off are more strongly selected for than videos that people like.

I dunno, things like beating back capitalism would be nice. This idea that if you don't also scour a place of right-idpol, you can't turn it to the left is pure idpol.

The icons need some way to tell what they are.


Tbh this is the only online community I'm active in. What does all this community stuff mean, tweeting and commenting on fan forums?

Oh, look, it's Holla Forums being stockholmed by GG episode again.

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Like I said
This works a lot better than having the text up on the chart.

There are all kinds of online communities. Some are fan-based or hobby-based like with video games or historical european martial arts (HEMA). The ones we're talking about in this thread are basically communities for discussing sociopolitical topics. The alt-right is a community spread across numerous sites. The skeptic community is mostly on youtube and they make criticism of lots of different kinds of media - used to be focused on religious apologia but transitioned to anti-feminism around the time gay marriage was legalized in the US. These two have been slowly converging because of the alt-right being everywhere and a dilution of the word "skeptic". Sargon is the case to study here.

Sargon rose to popularity during gamergate by affiliating himself with it and later the alt-righters who affiliated with GG. He billed himself as a member of the skeptic community and ingratiated himself during this time, making videos talking about the same kinds of bullshit the other skeptics did (mostly liberal idpol). He put out a lot of videos like his This Week in Stupid series that built up his image as a skeptic. It only ever was an image though - if you saw his content from before he had many subscribers, you saw a manchild hurling insults at people he didn't like. I stumbled upon him then and figured he was going nowhere (boy was I wrong). Contrast this with the typical skeptic, who picks apart what other people are saying. Sargon's success is down to luck (having the right opponents at the right moment) and enough free time to pump lots of videos out.

Since Sargon's risen to (relative) prominence, he's been pushing his particular brand of radical centrism. In a nutshell this position is that there are two sides to every issue and the answer is somewhere in the middle. The effect of this position is to reinforce the status quo. It makes room for The Debate to rage on without either side gaining or losing enough ground to really matter. CNN made it popular in the mainstream media and oddly enough the skeptic community has pretty consistently been against it. They obsessively point out informal fallacies (this one's the Golden Mean Fallacy) and used to oppose entrenched religious groups. But once Sargon blazed the path, all kinds of "skeptical" reactionaries and conservatives started appearing on youtube. They are "skeptical" in precisely the same sense of the word as "climate skeptics" and are cut from the same cloth. What makes this even worse is that in dragging the word skeptic through the mud, they have inspired leftists and liberal poseurs to re-contextualize "skeptic" to mean this warped version and specifically this warped version.

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You can see this shit on twitter, on reddit, basically anywhere people discuss leftism. Even this very board. People have come to associate "skeptic" with conservative or reactionary politics. This is extremely bad. Skepticism (tailoring one's beliefs to the evidence available) is a crucial faculty. Marx's work critiquing capitalism is an example of skepticism, as he dug past false consciousness to look for what was really going on. Science is based on skepticism. When people turn "skeptic" into a pejorative, they tend to label "apolitical" type people as reactionaries. See OP for example: Thunderf00t is a longtime skeptic and a true example of the idea (he's an actual scientist). Because he's gotten a bit obsessive with liberal idpol and is a skeptic, he gets lumped in with these other bona fide reactionaries. I'd call the guy a typical STEM liberal. Lumping all these people together and blurring the lines is the point.

I assume most here are familiar with the bizarro thing where left-idpol loves to split everybody up into as many groups as possible. Whether COINTELPRO or not, these types follow the same strategies very consistently. What they do with "their side" the also do with the other side, but in reverse. While the left gets split up according to race, sex, gender, orientation, age, disability, weight, and so on, everyone who is even vaguely on the right gets lumped together. Sometimes this is done at a smaller scale, like with the genuine skeptic community getting welded to these neoreactionaries or the manosphere (3 or 4 different groups) getting lumped together under the MRA label. Sometimes it's done at the largest scale, where everyone who's not an ally gets lumped under an umbrella of evil. Depending on which flavor of idpol you're hearing from this will be Patriarchy or White Supremacy or Heteronormativity, etc. Now just take a second and step back from this dynamic and think about what's going on here. One side is getting split up into finer and finer groups who collapse into a pile of semiotic quibbling. The other side gets lumped together into a growing monolith. Meanwhile, liberals are shilling hard for everyone getting their own separate spaces while reactionaries are networking to synergize their platforms and grow their audiences.

HMM REALLY MAKES YOU FUCKING THINK

Revision: the skeptics shifted from opposing religion to criticizing feminism and liberal idpol because of the Atheism+ group telling everyone that atheism needed to not just be about non-religion but about idpol issues as well. That detail slipped my mind.

There are people who think that clintonites, the DSA, tankies, and antifa all agree on exactly the same things. I wouldn't say lumping together is something that only happens with the right.

The right is also actually building networks and organizing as well while the left remains schism'd.
The whole picture is that both at the material and ideological levels, the left is splitting while the right is uniting.

Marx is the Original Gamergater.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Woodhull#First_International