Newfriend here, I have a question for non-tankists and non-nazbols:

Here it is

Unironic NazBolism

we tried to warn you

Check this LARPing power trip.
I'm glad your kind isn't running Rojava. You'd have turned the project into a Cambodian style nightmare.

thing with all this bullshit is, there's no equation you can use to calculate ironic from unironic, no formula to define one from another, no quantifiable thing to have a rational discussion about

It's a scientific fact that female of the species have lower lung capacity, lower muscle mass, lower bone density, lower testosterone, loser hemoglobin, etc etc.
You can scientifically, empirically, measurably demonstrate how female soldiers are a shit idea…

Which just goes to show that Rojava isnt running at peak capacity and wont achieve communism, but luckily its opponents are retards as well so I guess they might continue to exist for a while longer.

Just because physically women underperform men on average doesn't mean women cannot be effective soldiers.
Besides, they have female only units.

You do realize this was done out necessity right? The YPG/YPJ need all the manpower they can get.

A healthy female can uniquely contribute to political goals, trough providing children:
If a group loses its men it doesnt matter, a single man can basically repopulate the group in less than 9 months, but if the group loses females in combat, it might take years to recover.

tl;dr if an internet autismo can spot tactical, operational and strategic shortcomings of this rojava thing, I dont think it's a good idea for anyone to just sit on his ass and wait for communism to be served on a silver platter to him by this group
still wish them all the best tho, but being dominated by turdks and isis doesnt give me any hope

This. There's nothing stopping women from being effective light infantry, which is what the YPJ is.

Do you know magic or are you just retarded?

Yes, because that is totally an option for the kurds. You're retarded.
We aren't gonna achieve socialism by outbreeding the bourgeoisie. Also, you're a faggot.

not that guy but pregnancy period is not set in stone, in fact a lot of women who had many children can give birth before the ninth month. also a first pregnancy is very likely to last even 10 months.
fun fact, a woman will shit herself while giving birth.

If they won't fight, they'll die. Besides, they're already doing the other things you've listed on top of achieving their goals through warfare.

Tell me how that worked out for the Palestinians 60 years later.

You really haven't. I invite you to actually read up about the logistics, strategy, tactics, history and economy of Rojava.

cooperativeeconomy.info/the-economy-of-rojava/
ypginternational.blackblogs.org/home/

What are you talking about? They've been beating them for years now.

I don't know about you but all the vets I know are exploited working class and already leaning . all we gotta do is have the contradictions in capitalism to stick out more (its already working) for them to be on /ourside/

you are new if this is the first unironic nazbol you have seen

Rhodesia had the best light infantry in the world. Where is it now??

Artillery is basically the most important thing. In second world war, when it was utilized for the first time in any modern sense, inflicted around 70% casualties and basically made everything possible for everyone.

The fact that I dont know almost anything about this Rojava thing tells me that they have no artillery and are therefore an irrelevant small arms based movement.
That kind of shit will get you nowhere today. Small arms are near irrelevant at achieving political or even military goals.
t. just some guy who likes to read stuff, I study chemistry at university but military and political strategy is much more fun

Are you the first unironic jucheist?

Rhodesia failed economically and diplomatically. Their path to victory would have been independence of the white minority, instead they wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

I'm not disagreeing with the assessment, but right now they have air support. Is it enough? No. But they're working on it.
Besides. Conflicts fought with small arms can be successful, see Afghanistan or the various civil wars in Africa.

probably

Nah, it really just goes to show that any serious political movement ABSOLUTELY MUST step up its game and move past silly badges, uniforms, or even small arms.
I autistically read up everything I come across about any serious political movements (really mostly various national governments and what they do to continue to manage to tax the population), but there's just thousands of Rojava tier silly little things all over the place all the time, and I just consider those trivial.

I mean even Al Quaeda managed to get underground hospitals and some limited artillery for themselves. Paramilitaries managed to seize control in the past, for example Serbian Mafia contested Slobodan's government for example, and even had more artillery right after Yugo civil wars…..

If this Rojava cant conquer ISIS, it will fail to exist inside a NATO member that's for sure.

The huge irony behind the YPJ is that it cannot exist without capitalist air support.

We’ve been gaining ground for a long time.

Nazbols were the original post-ironic movement. They are the left wing alt-right. Dugin is a fucking traitor who will be gulag'd once the revolution takes off.

:*)

yeah turdks are a somewhat serious right now, they openly study the next greek invasion at their officer schools, they already have the logistics and drills and everything ready for the invasion, and with the recent downing of that russian jet and a military purge, ankara and that whole sandy shithole can easily get genocided by the turkish government

and there is nothing rojavans or any other smalltime can do to stop it

dugin did nothing wrong
no for real his 4th position thingie can still be salvaged

I mean why not just live on a commune?

Friendly reminder to outsiders that leftypol is Nazbol.

Holla Forums here, bb can we b friends? :)

Socialism + Nationalism = Nazbol
This is why Nazbol is the best ideology to ever exist.

Fam, this isn't WW2, or WW1 for that matter. There is barely any artillery beyond mortars, which the YPG use as well. No one has the resources to support artillery on the level of what the US or UK had during WW2, and since all the fortified targets are cities, all you'd do is turn valuable strategic targets into rubble. Furthermore, artillery is notoriously unreliable in an urban warfare context. Often times the artillery fails to destroy the enemy, and in fact the rubble you create is often times more defensible than the intact buildings. Heavy artillery in an urban context is ridiculous, unless you're the US who can afford to drop million dollar bombs on top of a single position. In the context of warfare outside of the cities, it's still not very effective, because the warfare is so mobile. The Syrian
Also:
Tell that to the cubans, or the vietnamese, or basically any guerilla force in history. History is filled with examples of groups beating vastly more powerful forces through the use of irregular tactics. That's how the PKK stayed alive through all these years.
And all this is without mentioning the fact that the YPG isn't just light infantry. They are just as well equipped as every other force in the region, barring maybe Turkey.

Tell that to the people who are getting killed.

The SAA cannot exist without Russian support. ISIS cannot exist without support from the various players in the region. Literally every faction in the civil war is supported by some foreign actor. Anyone who uses that as an argument is bloody idiot.

because you lifestyle hipster urban faggots living the sheltered life need to realize that life is a bit different outside the daddy's bubble
"commune" would require a lot of heavy industry to sustain itself
meaning a lot of factories, steel refineries, munition plants, etc etc

you cant just build a mud hut by the river and fish and collect mushrooms anymore, that shit stopped being viable 4000 years ago with the first organized tribes claiming territories for political purposes
and also no greenfaggot actually lives the green life or you'd fucking know

The vietnamese did not beat the USA in irregular tactics, in fact, they just beat the ARVN via regular tactics.

None of them claim to be le socialist paradise.

*Yawn*

Except the other regimes don't even claim they are socialist.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Progressive_Front_(Syria)

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All small arms resistance types basically returned to the stone age for 50 years and suffered beyond acceptable casualties.
About urban combat, who gives a shit about taking cities, you just need to shell factories and airfields in them, you actually want to destroy things you cant take and kill enemies you cant capture
who gives a shit about defending rubble?

modern artillery isnt cannonballs any longer, and artillery is better for achieving everything from tactical to strategic goals these days, from targeting individuals with drones to wiping out regiments/battalions, to operational goals such as cutting off supplies or blowing up oil fields or whatever

They're economic centers.

I don't think you know how modern insurgencies work…

Cities are of economic importance. Insurgencies can thrive even if industrial areas are captured.

recent example is USA slinging missiles from missile cruiser in adriatic

NATO got BTFO'd by Serb ground defenses who proceeded to rape in the literal sense all opposition
NATO pulled out all ground forces
a single missile cruiser + regional NATO airbases bombed Belgrade into accepting 10 new countries into existence

tl;dr small arms = 0 political goals
artillery = all political goals

That was versus a state, not an insurgency.

The US left Vietnam, which means the Vietnamese won. An insurgency isn't about beating your opponent, the Vietnamese took huge casualties, it's just about making your opponent decide it's no longer worth the effort.
Right, because being a leftist means being an idiot who doesn't take the opportunities available to them because 'muh purity'. They're using the US and Russia in order to help them beat ISIS and stave off the turkroaches. They're playing the 'diplomatic game'.

Are you an idiot? Most of the population lives in cities, most of the wealth of a country lies in cities. If you wanna actually hold territory, and not just bomb a country to desperation and then bugger off like the US, you need to take the cities, you can't just bomb them, because then you'll just destroy what you're fighting for, and you'll just make the enemy more entrenched.
Do you think the battle of Stalingrad was just for funsies? The germans and russians obviously cared a lot about a piece of rubble.

This. The war against the Iraqi state was won easily, the war against the insurgency, not so much.

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No, the US left way before the NVA won.
Yes, don't claim you are a socialist if your survival depends entirely on a capitalist money.

cities being economic centers works in asia and europe
african and middle eastern economy is basically just raw resources

you can glass the whole middle east and it wouldnt impact the economy all that much, they produce pretty much 0 things relevant to any kind of economy, they import low tech shit from asia and high tech shit from europe, their main economic engine being raw materials and nothing else

well what goes for the state goes double for the insurgency, if you could force serbs to stop basically wiping out half of southern europe with just artillery pretty sure you can stop some kurd from existing by bombing their goats and heroin fields or whatever they have over there, not like anyone in middle east has any developed economy, all they have is resources

THEY PRODUCE NOTHING
THEY EXPORT NOTHING
NAME ME ONE STRATEGIC OR EVEN COMMERCIAL MIDDLE EASTERN EXPORT
PRO TIP: YOU CANT

africans and me's just export resources
99.99% of their economy is RESOURCES
MEANING YOU CAN GLASS THE CITIES

What does this have to do with anything? Are you implying socialism can only exist in perfect vacuum, and a system can never be socialist if even as little as a toe-nail touches anything capitalist?

If you can't see the difference between a nation-state and an insurgency… then… well… I encourage you to read more.

Export =/= Domestic industry and consumption. Just because Iran exports crude doesn't mean they don't have industry.
Try compare the exports and economy of a country like say, Brazil.

I just want to say that NazBol gang posters are my favorite posters on this board. so much more energetic and motivated than the average Holla Forums post

Energetic, but lacking in quality.
I'd rather read the 10-page narcoleptic treatises of leftcoms.

No they pretty much produce nothing and export nothing. The fuck are you buying from the middle east?
Local food is cheapest here (no transport costs), clothes are asia, low tech crap again asia, high tech medical and lab equipment and industrial precision tools, all europe.

Middle east simply exports raw materials. Meaning you can safely go around killing people and shelling citties, it wouldnt effect any economy. All you have to do, is take the oil fields, or routes used from oil fields. That's it. Zero middle eastern cities required to exist for you to exist as an independent Kurdish state.

Name me one relevant industry or brand or whatever from the middle east.

That's cos we wanna do stuff and have a real life need to do stuff, others just wanna feel smarter in their circlejerk, they are suburbanite lifestylist impotent worthless faggots or minorities that feel entitled to their bubbles.

THERE IS ONLY NAZBOL AND THE GULAG FUEL

Exports =/= Domestic Consumption
Just because they're not exporting these products doesn't mean they aren't making them locally.

So what happened to accomplishing political goals through diplomatic means? If your plan is to antagonise the greatest military power in the world while fighting a multi-front war, you aren't going very far. Better to actually use them to help consolidate your position so you actually have a chance when they inevitably leave your for the (grey) wolves.
Also, just to recap, this whole argument started with you autistically blabbering about how the YPJ is stupid because women are weak, ignoring the fact that this is pretty much a fight to the death for everyone involved, unless you're stupid enough to think the kurds aren't going to be ethnically cleansed. I make the point that the YPJ is mostly light infantry, which you took as meaning that the SDF have nothing but small arms, which is false. You then go on about how no political achievements have been accomplished with a guerilla movement, despite several historical and contemporary cases where such a movement actually has accomplished their goals, all the while claiming you have read 'lots of books'. And then there's this:

If you want to pretend to be smart and well read, at least do some rudimentary research before you start blabbering. Rojava is the breadbasket of Syria, destroying it would make the holodomor look like a fucking thanksgiving dinner, not to mention the implications of glassing cities with millions of people in them. Syria also has many domestics industries and an actual economy just like any other place in the world. Those things are vital to the people actually fighting to control the country, and even those just there for the oil have nothing to gain from destroying it. Keeping the region unstable? yes. Killing 90% of the population? No.
To finish this because I'm really tired of arguing: Your ideas are shit, your arguments are nonsensical, and you're not as smart or well-read as you think you are. Now shut up and read Bookchin. Also read about Rojava, because you obviously haven't.

Even their oil is extracted by Gazprom (Russians) and USA private contractors, refined in Germany or again Russia, and sold to the world from there on. Only things they are making locally is goats and heroin.

You probably didnt live in the middle east for any significant amount of time, I mean I didnt either, I was there for a short time but I can tell you I didnt see any domestic production.
Wool clothes, goats, and heroin. That's it. All there is to it. Not much of a variation. Cities produce nothing significant, villages have all the materials.

So if the goal is to have a Kurdish independent state, funded by goats and heroin, with Turkish and ISIS cities and villages everywhere you cant take over and dont want to destroy either, and pretty much nothing relevant to the world economy, I dont know, I just dont get it.

The NVA was a conventional military that hid behind the Soviet and Chinese nuclear umbrella after every battle. If you expect to model an insurgency after them, then you had better have a nuclear superpower around to hide behind.

Pull the other one.

Not surprised tbh

Lenin had the industrial heartland of a first-rate world power, millions of veteran troops, decent infrastructure by way if railroads, and independent sources of arms, heavy artillery, and materiel. The Kurds have a couple bombed-out towns, Toyota technicals, goat farmers, and foreign supply chains.

Pull the first one.

Also friendly reminder to everyone that calling for vanguard-led mass revolution in the first world is horrendous.

Dugin>>>Liminov

m8, every news i see, every college campus shitters i see, every leftist protest i see…..

all unemployable """proleteriat""", fucked in the head idpol trannies/faggots, retard haircolors, lifestylists and liberals, etc etc etc
the left is a fucking joke, or at least 99.99% of it and
MENTAL MASTURBATORS FROM HERE ARE NO DIFFERENT

Literally the only revolutionary material on the left is nazbol and tankies. That's it. Everyone else is a gulag bait.

The question I have for Holla Forums is how do you plan on establishing a Not Socialist paradise without being wiped off the face of the earth?

All the actual tankies are either 90 or Twitter maoists who tell people to self-crit for talking about anything but racist white dreads. Have fun donating your soul to the Gloria La Riva campaign and LARPing harder than an anarchist would dream of.

Nazbol hasn't been globally important in any sense since the 90s, and the edgy internet leftovers are all either generic natlib socialists who would have been Black Panther fellow-travelers 30 years ago (positive) or actual fascists with leftist facepaint that have no political constituency and are too autistic to ever win an argument, let alone a campaign or a revolution.

He is not the first. The mods have banned many unironic Nazbols.

Nigga they don't call rifles "the great equalizer" for nothing. If she can keep her fucking head down, figure out when to fire and when to maneuver, and aim the rifle steady then it doesn't matter how strong she is. She'll kill fascists just as well as any swingin' dick.

Nazbol only exists on Holla Forums though whereas traditional leftists are on the ground fighting battles.

fighting left should be the only left
the rest of you are all faggots that should be thrown into gulag, that's my point, being an armchair faggot is a bad thing

she cant physiologically carry that machine gun and other 20 kilos of gear for two days without stopping
that is not how a female of this species work, but i really dont even care about whatabaoutism of this, if she can physiologically carry men twice her weight + their gear + her gear and if she also has some sort of valuable skill like first aid or engineering or explosives or electronics or whatever, i'd rather have her around too

but if all she manages to do is slow everyone down, that's no good, and since we dont know what's actually going on from those few pixels, who cares