So how comes Venezuela is up in flames, while Bolivia, Ecuador and even Nicaragua it's all peace and quiet?
Is American budget so fucked up and strained by Arab spring and Ukraine, that they can no longer afford to stir shit on multiple locations?
How comes right-wingers point straight at Venezuela but keep quiet and ignore you, when you mention the other countries?
Because life was never this good in Bolivia and Ecuador. At least since those countries were created.
Especially Bolivia, that place was really a shithole before Morales. Iliteracy rate alone was through the roof after decades of right wingers and USA cocksuckers in power.
There's right wingers in a nutshel, they hate that people know stuff, here in my country we also had a 40% iliteracy rate after the right wing dicatorship was removed from power.
Oil prices, mostly
Venezuela's economy is mostly based on oil, which with the flood of Saudi oil led to a massive decline in oil prices, meaning their economy is shit.
They relied on one resource for their economy, that often doesn't work out well when others devalue that resource.
Also Dutch Disease
Oh, and since the oil value dropped drastically the value of their money did as well, so the inflation rate is ridiculous and requires heavy government management to barely manage.
That's why they have price controls on certain goods, one which has received scrutiny is bread.
I actually doubt (extensive) CIA involvement in Venezuela, it's mostly corporations that don't want to pay their debt and don't like the controlled market and don't… etc. and people who are genuinely living the horror stories you see in Western media. (But that's probably a small group, and you shouldn't believe anyone that says "fuck you for supporting Maduro I had to eat roadkill today" especially online and in English)
We'll see if it's COINTELPRO or genuine upset if the PSUV gets creamed again a couple months from now.
My unofficial godfather who was a politician in Bolivia (ran for President and got 2% of the vote lol) and even played a protest leader in Our Brand Is Crisis, Casiano Ancalle, actually hates Evo Morales' guts because he's "immoral" (I think he was referring to his opinions on GWB and nationalization of certain industries and liberal opinions, oh yeah and violence in relatively porky eastern Bolivia because they wanted to effectively secede and the rest of Bolivia (and later even one of the four eastern districts) kept voting against it) but he supported Trump and it's very clear his main issues of concern are all Christian conservative idpol. His son is one of those douchey elitist libertarians that reads neoliberal propaganda for an economics class and decides he knows everything.
The big wikileaks dump that Chelsea Manning did basically revealed that the US was planning regime change in Venezuela before the war on Terror and Saddam turned their attention away from Latin America.
Oh, didn't realize that. That's actually very important to remember.
Eww…
Relatively? Santa Cruz de la Sierra looks definitely porky. A city like that has no place in a country with strong Inca past like Bolivia
What are the chances of some day Peru kicking their USA cocksuckers from power ?
LOL just be glad Keiko will never win because she's a modern-day Pinochet. A big problem in Peru is that you're required to vote, and people default to Fuerza Popular because 90s nostalgia and Fujimori did a fairly decent job as far as Latin American politicians go even if he was a reactionary. Basically it's a textbook example of an uneducated electorate but it doesn't help Andeans are pretty traditionalist. The leftist candidate was only a little behind PPK and didn't make the runoff due to splitting. So I guess the answer is that PPK is a blip and Fujimorism will die with the old people and that will leave the Frente Amplio.
Can you link me to those documents?
I would love so much to live in Peru and learn Quechua and just be a farmer up in the mountains with those nice people…
But i really hate that Peru has so much afilition with the USA and they keep electing that kind of people.
You probably wouldn't fit in. To my understanding Andeans are very provincialist and I see that in my pseudogodfather. Especially if you tell them you're American. But yes I too have escapist agrarian fantasies, it's my understanding you don't even have to work as many hours a day even if you have to work harder.
No i'm not american. I'm portuguese and i'm fucking tired of europe, i love south america so much…Peru, Chile or Bolivia are my prefered destinations.
Even worse, you're a filthy peninsular and an enemy of the native people!
If you've got dark enough skin you might be able to pull it off but you'd need the land and experience first.
I see…
Well no, i don't have dark enough skin, not compared to Andean people.
It might not matter anyway. 15% of the population of Peru is White. Even more in Chile but you probably won't be an Andean farmer there.
My plan would be to "infiltritate" an NGO that works with those people and then stay there for ever if i like it.
Where are you from my man? I can speak, understand and read castillian. But i'm not used to south american castillian tho.
Sounds like a Peace Corps 2-year agriculture project but they don't take non-US citizens. There's European Voluntary Service but they're only to other European countries…
I'm Puerto Rican.
Like all socialist countries, Venezuela is run by fascist criminals. Please go join your mestizo brethren to bash the fash. Or just keep masturbating to your fruitless fantasies of revolution.
pick one
I will take what is Not Socialism for 800
Retard
Hah, you faggots are so afraid of the truth you have to filter it. The big bad ebil NAHTZEEEZ were socialists
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Nah we just like how much it triggers you fuckers
It's because they were not.
They were capitalists through and through.
Also Na,t.soc word filters to Nazi
so its a socialist state that seized the means of production but allowed cronyism?
you just described a fascist/socialist state like Venezuela.
Keep larping.
the nazis literally privatized
There is no such thing as cronyism, just capitalism working as it naturally would. Capital accumulates, it creates monopolies unless the government steps in to ease tensions of the class struggle and protect the interests of the bourgeois and breaks the monopoly up. But since America is closer to ancap than even socdem we are allowing monopolies and all workers rights go out the window. Then you have cucks like you who think this is just "life" or some kind of disorder called "cronyism". Stop licking that boot and read a fucking wikipedia page or two, not even a fucking book just articles and you might understand.
I'm just laughing at how little you understand.
The Nazis allowed nominal ownership of such entities as factories. But it was the government who controlled all aspects of production including controlling income of the nominal owners of said entities.
I'd tell you to stop being a retard, but that would be impossible
Ah this argument again.
Ortega is a total sellout though.
He's based for standing up for Gaddaffi though.
That's hilarious, got anymore?
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Again are you retarded?
Its like you see a single word and shit yourself despite it not helping your argument.
btw 1933 was before the Nazis consolidated their power
That was during the war faggot. That was the only time that some sort of central planning existed there. By these standards, everyone who participated in WW2 were socialist because they also had a command economy.
Of course, you can't have socialism without a certain level of worker control over the MoP so Nazi Germany was never socialist in any way.
the government that decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid ISN'T A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT REEEEE
THE COLLECTIVIST PRINCIPLES OF THE NAZIS AREN'T SOCIALIST REEEEEEEEEEEE
brb getting some popcorn
Top lel
Are you mentally handicapped? All wartime powers did this. By your definition every single faction involved in WW2 was socialist.
kek
Perhaps you would prefer the term totalitarian or authoritarian? Name a socialist/communist state that didn't end up with a ruling class.
b-b-b-but its not truuuu socialism
every time I see this graph I have a chuckle.
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Kek at what, your own stupidity?
Following the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941 and with the onset of World War II, the federal government set out to impose new or expanded controls over the country`s economy. On January 6, 1942, President Franklin D. Roosevelt announced some ambitious production goals to support the war. As a result, all of the country’s economic sectors were then under increased government control. While economists usually oppose price controls, it was a state of emergency.
The government then sought the cooperation of those who controlled the resources needed to conduct the war successfully. It took many agencies to resolve disputes between workers and management, set price controls, and impose rationing on scarce commodities as part of the war effort. Such agencies as the War Production Board (WPB) and the Office of Price Administration (OPA) were created in 1942 to increase total production and to control wages and prices.
Wage and price control measures, as well as regulating the hiring and firing of workers, was also initiated by the government. The National War Labor Board was established by an executive order of President Roosevelt on January 12, 1942. The board was responsible for determining the correct procedures for settling disputes that could possibly affect any war production. It was also authorized to approve wage increases and quickly adopted the Little Steel formula for wartime changes based on the rising cost of living.
The Emergency Stabilization Act was passed in October 1942, which placed wages and agricultural prices under control. There were immediate wage restrictions, and in order to attract labor, the employers offered a range of such fringe benefits as pensions, medical insurance, paid holidays, and vacations. Because the foregoing were not paid out in cash, they did not violate the wage ceiling. Controlling output proved easier than controlling wages.
The Office of War Mobilization then emerged in 1943 to reallocate the production of military matériel. In order to convert to military production, resources for the production of consumer goods had to be diverted. The great surge in munitions production reached its peak in 1943, after such motives as patriotism and financial incentives drew the necessary resources to war production centers.
In June 1943, the OPA established more than 200 Industry Advisory Committees whose sole purpose was to aid the price control effort. The manufacture of such consumer items as refrigerators, automobiles and even housing materials was forbidden at that time. During World War II, many inflationary pressures were created by shortages of both goods and labor. The Consumer Price Index (CPI) increased by more than 35 percent. Strict limits were set on the manufacture of numerous consumer goods.
Despite the efforts of the National War Labor Board, the shortage of labor during World War II precipitated a sharp increase in wages. Congress passed the War Labor Disputes (Smith-Connally) Act on June 25, 1943, which authorized the president to take over plants needed for the war effort, thereby preventing further war production disruption because of labor disputes. Although strikes were prohibited, they still occurred.
OMG wage controls price controls the state controlling production it's fascism!!!!!1111
We recently had a presidential election here (2 months ago) Alianza Pais, the party of Rafael Correa and the "citizens revolution" won but for a very little margin (52% to 48%).
The losing candidate (actually a banker) didn't recognize the defeat and called for fraud, he asked the ppl to go out to the streets, we had some protests for 3 weeks, thankfully the opposition here is not very united and the other parties didn't support him on his fraud claims. Still the opposition is quite powerful now and we have a lot of angry ppl with the "socialism of the xxi century" of Correa, the opposition here repeats the same rethoric as their venezuelan counterparts.
Regarding our economy, on this past 10 years (with Rafael Correa) the country developed a lot, we have very good roads all along the country, modern public hospitals, good public education, the tax evasion is almost non-existent, etc. On the last years public investment was reduced bcz oil prices but we are still in good shape.
We have been affected by the fall of the oil prices, (our economy is 40% based on oil exportation) but our dollarized economy (from our neo-liberal dark past) ironically is helping us to keep the inflation under control.
come to Ecuador, here the indigenous ppl in the andes speaks Quichua (a variant of Quechua) we actually have lots of foreigners that come here to do that,
community farms and different kinds of projects are always looking for volunteers.
Apples to oranges to pomegranates.
You cant compare a total war economy of one nation to a pre-war economy of another nation and rationalize "they're just the same!"
I'm just curious now, how madly will you defend your faith. You remind me of the Chavistas back around 2004 who were always talking shit about how Venezuela was the greatest country on the face of the Earth because it was so wealthy and stood up to America. Now its another socialist hellhole, just like all the others.
U Gon Get HID Boi !!!
OH, I SEE, it doesn't know what the actual definition of socialism is! It's just that retarded!
There was no "peacetime" vs "wartime" Nazi program. Everything was predicated on massive spending on the military so called "public works" projects such as the Autobahn were merely to enhance military efficiency.
The economy of Venezuela was entirely built around the export of petroleum products. Contrary to all reason, Chavez did absolutely nothing to build heavy industries that would have reduced dependence on imported manufactured goods. It is like he assumed that the price of oil would always rise. Fool should have learned from Stalin.
Fun Fact: The Nazis were initially opposed to the Autobahn, which they considered a ploy by Jewish plutocrats to bury Germany under "car-only" concrete roads. They did a U-turn when they realized they could use — and in fact, needed — such roads for the upcoming war effort and the speedy, efficient transportation of military logistics it would require.
Venezuela was also a shithole before Chávez. Chile was also a shithole (for the poor at least) before Allende. it's just that stirring up shit takes time.
Fun Fact: The Autobann was a pointless make work project that only militarily benefited the Americans and Soviets as they raced to Berlin. Pre war military build up crippled the German peoples ability to buy and mantain cars (lol lets do synthetic gas which is 5x more expensive) and highways are useless for military use because trains haul more shit and don't use precious gasoline/desiel
*highways are useless for internal military use
It wasn't as bad as most other South American countries. A lot of "socialists" online think that Venezuela is a rural shithole without internet, and they sound really stupid.