Any Michael Parenti fans here?

Any Michael Parenti fans here?

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Parenti >>>>>>>>>>> Chomsky

THIS THIS THIS THIS

He's bretty gud, but all the stuff I've ever seen from him come from over a decade ago. What's he been up to lately?

His tankie apologetics are really good.

What are some of his best books? I see Blackshirts and Reds recommended a lot, what are some others?

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Democracy for the Few is probably his magnum opus. Against Empire is really great as well.

Unfortunately much of his work is kind of difficult to find on the internet

I don't consider myself a tankie but tbh he's who convinced me to stop taking anarchism seriously

Fuck, that was really good.

Yeah, I'm also not an ML, but I respect the USSR and China for what they were and what they were trying to achieve, and Parenti is pretty much the gold standard for BTFOing Liberal anti-communism.

Holy shit BASED

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do you have a link to the entire speech?

He is so incredibly based its not even funny. He made me a Marxist and helped me see through all the bourgeois propaganda bought by the anarchists.

I read B&R's in a couple of hours. It was that fucking good. He "defends" the USSR and communism in general with pretty good sources to back it up.

It's odd how leftypol loves this guy but bashes tankies at the same time. Parenti is an arch-tankie. He is THE tankie.

I wouldn't call Piłsudski a fascist, but we did have democracy before he took over. The part about us having out own concentration camps before the war is a laughable.

The speech is pretty good though, and his point remains.

everything is a tank if you're an anarchist though

p sure grover furr is the king of the tankies dude

Has anyone actually made a serious challenge to his historical work?
(No Robert conquest is not a serious challenge)

A dumb tankie whenever the topic of worker cooperatives is brought up.

don't know but i have to giggle whenever i read his book titles such as Khrushchev Lied. The Evidence That Every “Revelation” of Stalin’s (and Beria’s) Crimes in Nikita Khrushchev’s Infamous “Secret Speech” to the 20th Party Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union on February 25, 1956, is Provably False

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thx

I prefer HE DID NOT. A Comprehensive Study Which Surely Removes all Doubt about the Devious Nature of the Slander Based Entirely on Falsehoods, a Card House of Lies Standing on a Swamp of Fabrications, which Constitutes the Entire "Intellectual Contribution" of Trotskyist Wreckers Whomst Falsely Accused the Virtuous Stalin of Farting at the Conference of Yalta by Boris Jetskiski.

Pretty meh tier. He can apologize for stalinism and the USSR all day but the point still remains that such a system will never result in communism, at best it accomplishes authoritarian sucdem states

a lot of his evidence for why the USSR was so great is basically hyping up social democracy and welfare as socialist accomplishments™

I remember he said once when addressing an anarchist at one of his lectures that the public building they were in was an example of socialism.

If this is true, then I guess I'm an anarchist.

the real socialism is the friends we made along the way

I need a source on that one, he's lost all my respect if he ever said anything that dumb.

I doubt I'll be able to find it. I saw it years ago

I too would love to see a source for this if anyone can find it

The real socialism was in your heart the entire time.

"All of humanity can be divided into group A, B and C. Group A is made up of those people who live principly off stock dividends, interest payments on their bond investments, royalties on their land and mineral holdings,rents on their properties, thats group A. Group B and C make up the other 99.5% of humanity and they live off wages, salaries, fees,commissions, tips, pensions. Group C is made up of tens of millions of people who don't even get that. They live in utter destitution from hand to mouth, from whatever hands outs or whatever charity bits or whatever fragmentary incomes they can scrounge. The thing that the people in groups A and B have in common is that they both live off the labour of group B. The people in group A don't just do this, they have an active element. We can call them the owning class because they own almost everything in the world. They own most of the land, they own the factories, the industries, the banks, the media, they also own a lot of the state. That is, their representatives, the politically active elements from their ranks move in and become the secretaries of defence, secretaries of state, CIA directors…."

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This

I remember that he and Bookchin got really salty at each other.
I don't remember what about though.

can't take him seriously once i learned he is a jfk conspiracist

So is statistician Richard Charnin. That doesn't mean his analysis of election fraud is wrong.

still disappointing

wasted quints

okay but deny any of the facts he posits in his many lectures

Also right around that time people were being assasinated and dropping like flies. Malcolm X Fred Hampton MLK etc

Why aren't you? It's the most solid conspiracy that acts as a gateway drug for people to go full infowarrior conspiratard.

because i've actually looked at the facts of the event, and i'm not a gullible liberal idiot or frothing nwo conspiracist living in a shack in the mountains

okay Mr Expert who did it and why

He looks very good for 83.

Why is Bookchin opposed to the use of chairs?

don't have to be an expert to acknowledge the factual record. lee oswald did it, and his reasons were his own

He loved to slouch around and read and write lying down afaik

anti-conspirationist is codeword for anti-communist

"anti-conspirationist" is not a word

top kek, underrated af post

Not a big fan of Stalinism, so I won't be a fan of edgy apologetics for it either.

He had back problems. Probably from the refusal to use a chair at the computer.

Literally his only claims are that the West's narrative about this USSR being a special kind of "evil" or particularly flawed or corrupted are horseshit when you look at the evidence and compare and contrast the USSR with every other developed or semi-developed country at the time, especially the USA itself

How is that edgy or apologizing for the USSR? Parenti has sympathized with succdems and said people should support Bernie Sanders in the 2016 election

HI WHER AR DA ARBUMENTS????

Great analysis of identity politics, very intelligent speaker.

Isn't he the OG """tankie"""?

How can you guys like him, then call anything and everything that is mildly positive about 20th century socialist projects tankie in a derogatory manner?

see

user LIED. The Evidence That Every “Revelation” of Parenti's Crimes in user’s Infamous “Secret Speech” to the 20th Party Congress of Holla Forums on May 03, 2017, is Provably False

Parenti is useful for his deprogramming of anticommunist propaganda and an alternative take on history, but at the end of the day his politics are essentially arguing for a reformist welfare state at gunpoint.