A working class man thinks to himself as he browses the internet

So how long are we going to keep pretending we aren't cock-blocking ourselves by acting like this?

Tankies are scum, it's true.

Is it just one guy sperging out about violence constantly or has a team of interns in a room somewhere been told to repeat this line of complaint in every thread?

If you're even mildly -chan literate you'll spot the jokes and shitposting for the content. If you're not you're probably not on 8ch in the first place. Believe it or not, we're not exactly the first point of contact for your average Dick who's questioning his political beliefs.

90% of socialists are scum

If you aren't a post-anarchist, post-left anarchist, post-marxist. then why even be a thing? stop pretending to care about philosophie disgusting plebs just looking for an identity UGH why don't you go back to your shitty 10 hours of x country communist music? left is in need of a place for intellectuals not idiots like everyone!

We don't even have that many tankies here tbh. That's more of a reddit thing, and even their tankies are mostly confined to explicit circlejerks.

we are way better than the SJW who the working class man is used to, a lot like us better

I am a libertarian socialist, aka an anarcho-communist with a rational brain. Violence is not the answer in America. It really is not hard to flip Americans over to leftist groups. Find an angry, disenfranchised group of people. Say, a group of people in a small community whose livelihoods have been fucked up by a corporation closing a coal mine or whatever. If they are complaining about "the left" being the cause of this, sympathize and explain that neoliberals are not representatives of the left. Tell them about the Industrial Workers of the World and the Socialist Party USA. Tell them they don't need that corporation approving their work. They can just go and do the work by themselves. All the equipment is already in place for them to do it. Just go and do it, and whatever they produce belongs to them as a community to use as they see fit. There is an American dialectic that you can use for other Americans. You don't have to use the 1800s Marxist dialectic that most Americans aren't going to go for.

Good job! You now have social democracy. Great change.

That's not fucking social democracy, you porky piece of shit. Good job trying to discredit me though, fucker.

real social democracy isn't even bad, its just bad when it loses its edge like most "socdems" nowadays have

anyway
what the fuk

Nigger kikes out

Fuck off Adorno.

wut? Social democracy is capitalism, how is it not bad? Are we not against capitalism?
Just because the means of production are in the hands of workers doesn't mean private property has been abolished. Co-ops within a capitalist system are just that, capitalist. You haven't change anything.

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Yeah, because comrades here do this on a daily fucking basis. Also, no normie prole is going to saunter off into a chan without being pretty fucked up one way or another if he/she even has the means to go on the internets. Op is a massive fag and spends all day choking down dicks.

You've made your support base that much bigger, rather than wallowing in self-pity. And no, that's not fucking social democracy, it's libertarian socialism. If a community decides to take the "privately owned" land near their community and exploit it to benefit their community amidst a capitalist society, they are doing it right. That is a proper libertarian socialist revolution. Worker's self-management and community autonomy. That's what I'm going for, and I want this to spread nationwide because I know for a fact that it can. People are scared of oppressive federalistic social programs and high taxes. This tackles that exact complaint by removing the need for both entirely.

social democrat ideas created some of the best + most equal countries in the whole world, I wouldn't go and call them plain "bad". their ideas just don't work anymore and can't be put in use everywhere, so into the trash it goes. plus they lost the whole idea of "socialism as a goal" at some point.
nonetheless I don't think I should undervalue how much social democracies made the lives of millions of people pretty good for a while

uh, not really? of course, they're alone not a revolution, but they'd surely be a nice part of anti-capitalist struggle, a nice start.

On the backs of the third world.

It worked for Holla Forums

But in the end I agree. Even if does work, it will attract the wrong people just like Holla Forums.

I'd rather it be more focuses on the material at hand, and to be taken seriously at times. Memes are good. Fun is allowed, but if the memes become more than the actual discussion in itself then it becomes a problem.

I really do not think the tankies are a problem at all here. They are quite tame compared to the larpers in 4chan.

I simply see no issue.

Yeah, Left-wing movements are, in general, really prone to becoming caricatures like that.

I'm not a social theorist, but I think it has to do with the fact that we're often more characterized by what we stand against than what we stand for. If you're an idiotic anarchist struggling against "authority" for example, even your hair must bear a mark of how against authority and norms you are. For Marxist-Leninists who hate the west and capitalism, they must reject any behavior who can be codified as "bourgeois", and the result is the autistic LARPer with an ushanka. The SJWs will rail against patriarchal values, European values and heteronormativity, and the results are well known. All of those attitudes are prone to creating people who, as you said, will scare regular people away, because in those environments whoever incorporates more "anti-X" signals win.

This is in the very psychology of most leftists. Despite rhetoric most don't really think of society in material and dialectical terms, and often they can only perceive politics in terms of a hegemonic set of values, behaviors and institutions that they must protect themselves from, by acting in the diametrically opposite way. The tankie feels "purified" from this suffocating spectrum by sperging out fantasies of violence, just like the radfem will feel redeemed by violating beauty standards at every opportunity.

Again, I'm no social theorist, but I think it's because leftists are often young. I'm only 27 and I feel ancient in left-wing groups, and I look at people there and I totally remember being in that phase when you're a shithead looking for an identity and railing against its opposite, and all your clothes, and your behavior and your actions need to reflect that. You need opinions that will cut through the noise of "normalcy", so the commie praising a period of mass violence that will never come, the anarchist saying the commie is just as authoritarian as everyone else, and the girl calling both of them "sooo white" all work out the same insecurities in a different way. Then they grow up, find something better to do and roll their eyes at their own "radical past", and probably at losers like me, who only grow more radical as they get older.

yes, that is the other problem why social democracy should go into the bin (that it can not be globalised)

there's an exception to that: if developments are such that an international, almost global, social democrat power could be established (you know, some sort of social democrat union)… I could maybe run with that, but that is pure utopianism, probably, and the establishment of such a thing would require revolutionary means anyway

Nah, tankies are realistic and the only true communists. They know the sole and only reason to amass power into a central authority. Non-tankies are useful idiot and nothing more. You're a damned fool if you think peace and love is the path or the goal of communism.

too bad tankie means aren't means to a good end

tankies are rare communists in the sense that their ideology has actually been fully put into action in the past: they didn't do what needs to be done to save humanity then, why should I trust them now?

stop shitposting against "tankies" and embrace Marxism Leninism, then we can spare ourself the endless repetition of the basics against your anticommunist propaganda of "hurr durr holodomor actually happened, evil assad is killing 20 garillion kurdish babbies"

In their view, they did, and in their view, you are just a traitor for not unquestioningly trusting their ideology. Of course in reality they are clinging on to trash ideology.


You are literally no better than Nazis.

I'm supposed to believe normies are gonna just find Holla Forums? If you know about this place you know that 70% of the post are edgy goons being edgy.

Dude you can't even find Holla Forums on google. you come here because you have specifically found it.

Stop trying to cater to the biggest audience. Only opportunism lies that way.

average person is a violent hypocrite. their opinion is worthless

Brainlet working class waiter reporting in, you don't sound like scumbags to me. A little bit too idealistic at times, some of you a little too eager at looking big and bad to compete with Holla Forumsyps, but I've seen way worse. Can't speak for normies or other people, but people who know their history tend to meme about it in a way you do, it's no big deal to me at least. Also I find Stalin hilarious, even if he was a scumbag; and kind of wish the west left the Middle East alone for better or worse, so I'm actually unironically on the same boat at your greentext on Syria. Not so sure about Korea.

But I can confirm this too, I'm no normie by any means.

In what way?

Just look at that face. It's so iconic, memes with him make me laugh so much. That 10/10, stache, that smile…

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if you cant see through the tankie memes, your either an idiot or went through one thread.

stop being a pretentious faggot user

You're right OP, and so is Zizek. We need to go beyond LARPing as 20th century revolutionaries.

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Wait, when did leftypol become r/soc?

The alternative is what, r/socialism?

In that case might as well become nihilist because there sure as hell won't be hope for a revolution.

Because claiming Stalin killed 500 billion people and ate all the grain, and claiming North Korea did something wrong for defending itself against Japanese and American imperialism is true and verifiable, right?

Putting the glasses on is a painful experience. If you refuse to accept that you have to reevaluate your beliefs, you will never have an answer to your woes.

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You are for non-hardcore Holla Forumsacks who are ideologically confused because all sides are spewing bullshit and they're divided as fuck. This board has little quality threads for them

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We'll be losers together.

i mostly started by reading wikipedia articles

Good post. I like to think I won't give up on far-leftism with age but you never know. The point about being about what you stand against rather than for is something I've thought about a fair bit especially for groups like antifa where they are only opposing.

Sheltered faggots living in their first world bubble are not my concern, they're scum.

This is why I have a problem with people like muke linking to leftypol is his videos.

woke