Why is being anti-Islam considered right-wing...

Why is being anti-Islam considered right-wing, when Islam is just about the most reactionary ideology in existence today?

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Because any criticism of Islam is racist and racism is right wing. Or that is the narrative we have been force fed since the day we were born.

I think amongst the genuine left it's not necessarily considered right-wing to be anti-Islam at all, but obviously we're also in solidarity with workers in Islamic countries, and Islamic migrant workers too. It's the regimes and the ideas we oppose, not the people. So "anti-Islam" itself is not a very useful label.

Because muslims are brown and opposing things that brown people do is right-wing.

What about leftists who don't prioritize the workers, such as individualist anarchists?

Being personally opposed to islam and wanting the government to outlaw islam is not the same.

Didn't Lenin, Mao et al. outlaw all religion though?

Well they can just fuck themselves

lel

Gulf states pour billions into progressive NGOs and Democrat party is full of people with ties to CAIR trying to sell Islam as some mushy progressive religion.

Because "the left" today has nothing to do with the working class and everything to do with idolizing various "marginalized" groups.

I'm not sure about Lenin, but yeah, most "communist" dictators outlawed religions, but they also created a state religion, a personnality cult around themselves.

This.
FUCK ISLAM

because what the international coalition government is doing has fucking nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with ethnic cleansing you fucktard.

Look at these braindead idiots, op. You don't intend to join them, do you?

Because it is not useful in any way, helps further divide the working class and plays into porkys hand.

Oh yes because christianism is such a great religion, kill gays, kill infidels… Wait, it's pretty much the same as islam, right ?

Marx considered religion to be harmful.

That's not how christianity is in most western countries. It's been pacified.

Personally I oppose Christianity and Islam equally.

I hold negative views towards abrahamic faiths mostly due to their reactionary ideologies.

Either reform them or ban them.

So let's imagine christians magically pacified their retarded religion. Why wouldn't muslims be able to do that ?
(Also I met plenty of muslims in my life, and none of them tried to kill me, so I'm guessing many muslims already pacified themselves)

Marx isnt a god.

So you don't agree with Marx that religion gives the working class false hope?

Plenty of other theorists and leftists who aren't Marx.

Well, that isn't how islam is today. And most muslims do not accept that islam shouldn't have an influence on society, as can be seen from surveys.

Yup, but it doesn't mean we can outlaw religions. Trying to fight religion will just scare religious workers away from the revolution. And be careful about atheism, if you spend more time fighting religion than fighting capitalism then it's pretty much become the opium instead of religion.

No. If you actually go to churches and mosques you will realize that religion is mainly practiced because of cultural significance and because it gives people comfort. You can never eradicate people's desire for culture, so fighting it is a futile and counterproductive effort.

It doesn't need to be fought. If people feel secure in their livelyhoods they won't feel a need for religion.

Are you saying there are no rich religious people?

So opressing women and preaching homophobia is ok because it's "cultural"

I know this isn't the case of all Muslims or christians but it's certainly a problem.

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No, but they are less likely to be religious.

Islam is not a race.

Good. That's the point. Fighting capitalism will probably usher in a more "enlightened" way of thinking. But even that won't eradicate religion. For example, I believe in my religion still not because I know it's "right" but because it gives me comfort as well as keeps me in touch with my cultural roots. I suspect it will be the same for many adherents of Islam.

Because leftism today is all about supporting victim hood. Ever since 9/11 and other terrorist attacks, right wing people have become more and more nationalist. They oppose migrants from Islamic countries because of their disgusting ideology and fear of more terrorist attacks. Mudslimes claim to separate themselves from radical Islam and cry when they get generalized or profiled as precaution by western countries. After women, fags, trannies and beaners, the left has decided to support islam because they have been victims of supposed "prejudice" from right wing people. and because the left believes in multiculturalism and western cultural suicide.

because watering down middle east politics to nothing more than muh mudslimes is reactionary and you should actually read marx

Why are you strawmanning?

Because both liberals and right-wingers equate the religion with being brown so it ends up being racist reactionaries hating religious reactionaries.

Religions have always been read selectively. This is why you will find liberal interpretrations of Islam among the youth due to exposure to outside thought. A net increase in material conditions will make the religion a lot more in line with modern values than personally demonizing its current followers.

It's through association, people who are most complain the most about Islam being evil to point of sounding like retards are usually right-wing. And I don't mean
but rather autism like
I've never witnessed a person with left-wing beliefs post such distilled retardation on the internet

Liberals are the complete opposite of retardation, thinking muslims can do no wrong or justifying the shitty things they do with "it's their culture".

So you admit that Islam isn't just a religion but also a political force, thereby legitimising the right to criticise it despite Western "freedom of religion"? Thank you.

Thankfully I'm not a burger, so I never had a chance to witness such arguments

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Because he's a liberal faggot who should fuck off back to twitter asap

Historically reactionaries have always wished to colonise each other. After all, there can only be one ascended chosen people

I like how america protects freedom of speech for nazis but you people wants to outlaw islam even for the normal muslims.
The only muslim in congress was for gay marriage and was basically a full progressive (meaning social democrat collaborationist), so I don't see why magically all muslims would be terrorists but not all christians (also, when christians commit terrorist acts, it's not terrorism, right ?). The rich need islamophobia to divide and rule, all this mess in the middle east is a fight about raw materials and power, islam is just an excuse.

This. Islam is a religion of peace.

all you have is memes
pathetic

The muslim in congress is not representative of islam you fucking idiot.

Why is it so easy to spot you Holla Forums?

All the poster I was replying to had was anecdotal evidence of one congressman.

I hear no solutions from anti-Islam posters, just hate. Face it, the only way to "beat" Islam is anti-imperialism and destruction of capitalism. You people offer nothing of value.

It can be prevented from any more influence than it already has in western countries by not letting in hordes of muslim immigrants every year.

memes matter

No socialist wants "hordes" of immigrants. But nations need to take responsibility for their actions. Also terrorist attacks are usually performed by second generation refugees who are disenfranchised and motivated by imperialist efforts. That being said it is morally wrong and a grave injustice to let women and children die in war torn countries caused by the same nations refusing their refuge.

You let a limited amount of refugees in, which the US should help with, while ending imperialism. Socialists are the only ones with a moral and viable way of ending the "refugee crisis" permanently by dealing with its core problems.

That won't happen you fucking idiot. The "refugees" coming into Europe have been through several completely safe countries before they arrive. That's why they aren't refugees, they are migrants.

Why are you surprised they didn't stay in Poland or Hungary? Do you not know anything about those places?

No, i'm not surpried, andnothing in my post implied i was surprised. And yes, i almost certaintly know more about those countries than you.

Sure some are migrants. But there are still a lot more innocents who need refuge. The "refugee crisis" is a manufactured crisis top make sure that reactionary dipshits like you lose focus on the main threat–capitalism–and instead direct your anger towards "backwards mudslimes". You ate being played, but I shouldn't really expect much from fascists such as yourself.

I'm not a fascist you idiot. And i do consider economic issues far more important.

They have refuge the minute they are in a safe country. And thus no longer refugees.

fuck off retard

So you can understand there are reasons why they would have kept moving? Good, you can stop asking dumb questions then.

I wasn't asking any questions. Why are all the pro-islam people in this thread so dumb?

And also after all these people have been through, there's nothing wrong with seeking better economic opportunity. Were I or you to be in their situation, we would do the same.

Yes of course we would. That doesn't mean we share interests with the refugees. We don't.

*Migrants

When you stop strawmanning and actually address some of the points being made you might get to call other people stupid.

I adressed all of them. And i didn't strawman anyone.

Yeah we do. People help others with the recognition that the same could happen to them. And if your country was responsible for their suffering, then there is even more reason to help them. Rather than finding a constructive way to integrate new labor, the direction that Europe is going in is resulting in a fascist backlash that people such as yourself are aiding.

yep it's Holla Forums

There's nothing fascist about immigration restrictions.

That's simply wrong.

Because their opposition to Muslims is practically a opposition to Arabs/Turks/etc. I don't seriously belive that they would all be happy and have no problem with immigration if they were all to be christians.

You're helping direct the anger of the working class towards the victims rather than towards the capitalist criminals.

I would be happy if they 1. Weren't reactionary as fuck 2. Didn't commit violent crime at a much higher rate than natives or other immigrants.

learn to read pls


gtfo with your taqiya Holla Forums

Impressive argument

no, there's nothing 'wrong' with that, but if your goal is to relocate to another community purely for economic reasons and then refuse to integrate yourself with that community's culture, or even show outright hostility to it, that is going to have undesirable effects

Actually it was the case in my Yuropoor country, even most rabid right-wingers were in favour of accepting Syrian christians in the end it didn't matter because they all left for Germany shortly after coming here lel

Yes and, Islam as a political force it was caused by the western interventions and fostered by american imperialism

what's to argue with when your replies indicate can't even understand the posts you reply to?

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No one is saying that laws should'nt be enforced. THAT is what the discussion should be. But leaving these people who are victims to die is not an option for "civilized" people.

But you can leave them, however that would mean that European nations can now not even pretend to be the enlightened civilization.

what laws? i think you replied to the wrong post

They would not be left to die. As has already been pointed out, those migrants have been through several safe countries when they arrive at their destination.

aren't all abrahamic religions (and probably others) political?
they're certainly intertwined in politics in most countries.

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It actually wasn't. It was caused solely by the great depression (not the much earlier inflation crisis after WW1), as can be clearly seen by the vote share of the NAZI party over time.

As has already been pointed out, there are reasons why they didn't stay in those countries.

That's called moving the goalposts.

You're called a mental midget.

Impressive argument.

Either way, the point stays the same. People don't live in a vacuum, their world views and values are to a great extent shaped by historical and contemporary political developments, that doesn't mean they have no agency.

I've often wondered this. Lately in Australia I've started to see feminists defend it which is mind boggling.
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Fact of the matter is that religion is always harmful to women

that's a good mokery but the atl right doesn't exist

I support Islam as long as it opposes western imperialism. That's it. And frankly, Muslims have WAY more revolutionary potential than YOU bunch of extra pretentious liberals.

MANDATORY

Oh my sweet summer child.

retard

Raqif is a massive autist but this post is golden.

One said that so all muslims think that. Gr8 logic you got there m8

Based post. Who is this Rafiq?

I won't take it back. You and I have different priorities, probably because you're more comfortable with the current state of affairs. Not everyone is so lucky.

omg time to fight le drumpf XD

underageb&

I found out today that 'MC Router' converted to islam and now she's basically full wasabi with a duvet over her head and shit. :'(

leftypol: idpol is a distraction meant to divide the working class

also leftypol: now let me talk for hours about nothing but idpol

*Holla Forums

u wot m8?

In some parts of the world, thanks to the united states.

talking about stuff that matters is boring and requires reading that most people aren't ever going to do.
Holla Forums is right.

I've noticed a pretty gross amount of right-wing identity politics trying to be passed off as "anti-idpol" on this board.
Especially by one autist who feels victimized that other people have sex.

How old are you? 12?

USA : Funds and support islamic fundamentalists everywhere to fight the "communists" and then complain about islamic terrorism. How can anyone take this country seriously ?

Lies. In any case, Western imperialism will probably kill me faster. A liberal who is a passive bystander of imperialist war crimes is much worse than a moderate muslim. Like, seriously, look at who is doing the killing.

Interfering in South America and the Middle East, truly the USA is a bastion of perfidy

:'(

try being less of a faggot user

Clearly she converted so she had an excuse to wear hijab and cover up that awful tattoo.

tfw i have similar tattoos.

Fuck you, user. Q.Q

Because it's not at all about Islam per se and entirely about racists targeting those that practice it.

Lol it's no wonder that these retards just end up as neocons eventually. Narrow minded dipshits the lot of them

i liked it better when i read it like this. wordfilter, anyone?

Could be good for a laugh or two but too many wordfilters is cancer

Slightly off topic but does anyone remember the Youtube channel called 'Klingschor'?

He was a very scholarly and well discipled critic of Islam. He definitely made the best videos on Islam on youtube.
Later, however, made a video about becoming a leftist and soon after he unfortunately closed down his channel.
It's a shame really because his video was really good for btfo'ing islamists.

how were you even finding that many islamists to argue with online? are ISISfags really trolling twitter and shit?

Maybe he went to r/islam.

Islamist usually means wahhabist, not confused westernized muslims.

I live in the UK fam; arguing with religious people whilst going through my own edgy teenage phase sometimes meant bumping into religious Muslims and autistically challenging them to a debate.

Yes I meant western religious Muslims not 'Islamists'.

That being said I should have noted that Klingschor's work was better for btfo'ing right-wing mongs who think they know everything about Islam whilst still maintaining a critical stance on the religion.

almost the only intelligent responses here

when you consider how violent the Middle East is as a consequence of imperialism, power struggles and underdevelopment, it seems silly to single out Islam for lending itself to extremism when you consider how many right-wing terror attacks and hate crimes are carried out in the West (that the media mostly ignores), e.g. the 10 a week against migrants in Germany right now.

I don't think people calling for a 'reform' know what a reform in religion actually looks like, considering Lutherans and Salafists are considered 'reformed' sects.