Doesn't libertarian socialism in general have more in common with lolbertarians and anarkiddies than tankies and...

doesn't libertarian socialism in general have more in common with lolbertarians and anarkiddies than tankies and marxists-leninists?

If so, aren't we better off trying to convince the former rather than the latter to google Murray Bookchin?

dont forget boys

Nah. Keep in mind that both Apo and Bookchin were M-Ls originally. There are a few M-Ls on this board who's become communalists or are sympathetic to it.

no, not really
I guess you can build a bridge between communalism and agorism/mutualism, but those are dead meme ideologies anyways

lolbergs are capitalists. Bookchin is not. Most wannabe leftists who identify as anarchist should probably google Bookchin so that they at least get some form of theory. The reason why you meme Bookchin is to let tankies know that having a centralized power structure can make it difficult, to get rid of said power structure when you try to proceed from socialism to communism.

It's an okay-ish praxis, it's just not as scientific as ML

On the other hand ML also wielded great results in terms of self-defense and revorlionary praxis - a situation in which the Kurds are in right now. I guess in the end I rather prefer ML praxis tho because it's got anti-imperialist edge

I'm one

Don't leftcoms pretty much use socialism and communism interchangeably?

Just don't forget class struggle and industrialization comrade.

Funny. Just because someone doesn't want to use a vanguard, doesn't mean that socialism can't be used as a transitionary stage. Socialism will probably be needed to recreate order after a revolutionary period and create a smoother transition into communism.

delet this

So then you are disagreeing with pretty much every leftcom I've argued with.

*Doesn't Marx


take off that flag, idiot

Scratch a lolbert and a fascist bleeds. Any issues with tankieautism is dwarfed by lolberts turning into fascists and wanting to throw anyone who isn't a property worshipping cuck out of a helicopter if they feel Lord Market is threatend.

(except tankies fucking over other leftists is well-establishing while libertarians actually being relevant isn't)

All I am saying is that even if the workers manage to seize the means of production. That doesn't mean that everything will run smoothly afterward. Socialism is likely necessary as a short transitionary state before reaching communism. If communism is immediately achievable than that would be the course of action.

Communism is already happening in the free software movement. The means of production overproduce or are capable of this to such a level that it's not even angering that we haven't achieved communism/socialism yet. It's just disappointing and soul-crushing.

Bookchin was Trostkyst filth, and a bad one at that.
stop spreading lies.

Bookchin was born and raised in the communist party faggot. He was a young pioneer at the age of 9.

This.
He went from Stalinist, to Trotskyist, to abandoning M-L altogether and becoming an anarchist, to developing a new theory that combines both M-L and anarchist thought together.

so it's come to this

If so, aren't we better off trying to convince the former rather than the latter to google Murray Bookchin?

I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're trying to say, but the YPG is widely supported by libertarian socialists

read a book

Everyone should google murray bookchin