Thoughts on Antifa?

As I right winger from an ex-commie country I really like antifa. They are to left what neo-nazis are to right. Pointing out their mindless violence tends to give me some free points in discussion with centrists.
If I was a porky I would actually hire some anarchist retards to beat the shit out of random people in the name of "equality" just to make the left look bad.

Antifa proves that leftystuff should just stay on the internet and not leak in to real life and make everyone cringe with embarassment.

40% cointelpro still means 60% sincere people.

Look up 2001 Genoa's G8 incident.

Same answer we give every time Pinky: American Antifa are shit, European Antifa are based af.

they just uni kids who want to rebel, they also would probably called half the people on Holla Forums fascist for being anti-idpol.

hell, they even attack their own people who lose their mask.
i understand why the right is laughing at the left when i see it, this is why we are losing.
the working class mostly don't care about all that type of idpol, and the woking class is what we need to get on our side. those people are just rich kids who want to rebel

They are free to talk, they are not free from consequences.

The right don't give a flying fuck about free speech. It's clear time and time again the right will also aim to curb free speech largely through state means when they have the power.

This is idealized liberal nonsense. You can't debate fascists because they don't actually hold any real ideological stedfast positions, and will just use fallacies and strawmen to overwhelm oppontents in debates. Leftist viewpoints require nuaunce and education to digest, right ones don't, this is why the public generally falls for right wing memes and the right have a far-easier job at swinging people to their message.

In a perfect world, you could just BY YOUR LOGIC and debate people but it simply doesn't work.

Youtube is a great example, the biggest left wing youtube channels are like 1/1000th the size of the right wing ones, because right wing messaging is easy to digest and doesn't require you to engage in literally any level of critical thinking or self-criticism.

I personally don't think they are useful most of the time. But I won't left a finger or speak a word to condemn them; I'm fine with them beating the people they beat.

I agree with this wholeheartedly

Violence as a means to stamp out dissenting/opposing views that run counter to your ideals ultimately leaves you susceptible to the same sort of force that leads once noble intellectuals of revolutionary movements into violent authoritarians

Rights only exist insofar as they are not a threat to the ruling powers. Capitalist democracies have a habit of banning opposing ideologies when they grow too strong, rights are a temporary illusion, all part of the states PR department.
Libertarian ideas can only flourish under a stable society largely free of internal strife and external meddling/threat. For example, what would you do if you had set up a planned economy with a constitution for human rights and free speech, when say the US and/or the UK starts pumping huge amounts of funding into your home breed of fascists and separatist groups? By this point it could quite easily erupt into civil war, far worse than the original repression and possibly costing you everything. You'd maybe even have to go so far as to suspend the rights that caused the mess in the first place, giving you the original problem and the new one that emerged from it.
I won't be killing myself under your advice as that doesn't seem remotely in my self interest.

Just a reminder that I had no idea who Richard Spencer was before some rando punched him.

And I don't ever hear about him anymore, because nobody's punching him. Nobody gives a shit about Richard Spencer unless he gets punched.

Also nobody backs away because they get punched. They come back and they raise their voice. You're not making anyone afraid.

Feels > reals.

What bull. If you have real enemies, they will make rods to beat you no matter what. I'm not particularly concerned about "what if antifa opens the door to violence" - that door is always already open. The day the State can't handle antifa violence, it will also not be able to handle regular fash violence, and we will all be happy to have antifa around beforehand.

I watched one if his speeches because I was interested to know what was so controversial about him.

What he was saying wasnt even that unreasonable. He basically spent 20 minutes criticizing whites for not having a strong identity as non whites which I think is true.

Are you fucking retarded? We should stop culling their growth and defending minorities because some dipshit liberals sympathize with neo-nazis? Fuck off.

Reminder that there is no such thing as free speech when the bourgeoisie own the media etc.

Thing about antifa is if it wasn't for them there would be virtually no leftist street presence in the US. I would also wager its a breeding ground for angsty 16/17 year olds to actually read some theory and become proper commies.

Groups of spectacle worshippers have been beating each other up on the streets since forever. The centre just considers them all thugs and extremists already so there isn't much more harm they could actually do.

Like, it isn't Antifa's fault Communism is a dirty word in the US.

ALSO American Antifa is relatively new, which means they don't have the experience and organisation and veteran members like European Anti Fa, so they don't know how to deal with the police and media so well.

I mean basically, as far as burger society autism goes, Antifa is pretty unremarkable, thats just how burgers do things. They are loud, they make brash statements and generally demand attention. Thats just the culture of concentrated capitalism.

why are you so scared of unreasonable opinions being allowed to have a voice? shouldn't it stand that their views will ultimately be judged on their own merit and be outed as unreasonable?

what happens when a dictator comes to power after leading a successful revolution and disallows any & all dissenting opinions that run counter to the status quo. is this not the breeding ground for corruption?

humans are devastatingly corruptible, i don't understand why people are so self-important as to think that using violence to enforce their world ideals is justified only to them

that being said it is a certainty that the COINTEL have Pro'd out in regards to antifa

They are more like fascists themselves.

Oh please

I mean, I believe in free speech, but actually by that definition EVERY IDEOLOGY EVER has been fascistic.

Facism implies a consolidation of the ruling class amounting to a merging of state and corporate power.

Explain to me how antifa are anything like this?

He's obviously attributing a characteristic of many fascist regimes in the past in terms of silencing opposition, and not characteristics of the actual system of fascism

That's not how it works in the real world fam. If somebody is organizing for the sole purpose of killing me and my mates I'm gonna kick their head in. Comparing antifa to dictators curbing speech just shows how ignorant you are. Antifa is self-defence.

Discrediting the left by acting like free speech hating thugs only helps the ruling class, you dipshit. I don't want to be associated with these people.

He means they use the same tactics as the fascists used.

Antifa are kinda the Sturmburtling of the modern era.

the point was not to compare antifa to dictators. the point was to show that if you shit on the principle of free speech, this gives way to whoever is in power to enforce the status quo that benefits the few and not the many by force

And if you shit on minorities trying to defend themselves it does exactly the same thing.

Damn, I wish there would be another word than fascism for that…

Antifa is not minorities trying to defend themselves

It is by and large very manufactured gatherings at talks happening at universites, in which people like dumbass MILO and GAVIN are being targeted for being 'nazi's'. It's not some primordial clash of ideologies, it is many young people swayed by the liberal bias of universities who feel so encumbered by their newly instilled egalitarian ideals that they feel the need to do something. When in reality, they're not doing much of anything.

If you want to speak out against people like Richard Spencer who are against multiculturalism and whatnot, then why not give a talk at the same universities he does?

calling you bastard children dumb. fuck you mutualists >:(

Yeah fascism is a form of economy.

When people use the word fascist to accuse someone of being a nationalist they should just use the word nationalist.

When people use the word fascist to accuse someone of being a thug they should just use the word thug.

The left in the US had credit? When was this blissful time? Before or after the Taft Hartley etc?

Except the majority of people who go to muh free speech rallies support the likes of Pinochet and generally CIA antics against Commies. So who is the real free speech haters? The people who actively support repressive regimes? Or the people who violently attack those people who support repressive regimes?

the same tactics everybody, including Liberal Democrats, have used

I dont think ive seen that can you provide some examples?

Also its just funny to be that Tanky Larpers who support the likes of Mao will cry evertime and call out "anarkiddie anti fa" as thugs while jerking off to pictures of warships

French Revolution

American Revolution

so you're saying it's okay to do something because Nazis also do it?

It is where I'm from. Also I'm pretty sure Milo was outing immigrants and his views fit neo-nazi pretty well.

I was really looking for specific examples.

hmmm i wonder how minorities would defend themselves effectively without free speech>>1625142
this is a strawman. i want to find common ground with you, but i can't ever agree to embrace the standpoint of inciting violence in response to somebody's opinion. most right-wing douchebags aren't even aware of the CIA staging coup's and the meddling with foreign governments.

i don't support that one bit. and Pinochet is a great example of what happens when you allow yourself to believe violence is justified to effect change in the world the way you see fit.

He was outing them as gays?

Oh and also just generally, they are still free to speak and they do, they sperg out all over twitter and the internet 24/7, usually to complaint about muh free speech.

He is a jew

I don't know what you're talking about 'outing immigrants'

Speaking out against illegal immigrants is not on par with being anti-multiculturalism

Pinochet is great example of why you should resist Fascism with arming and violence, like Allende refused to do.

For a counter example, Ortega in Nicaragua armed and was successful in bashing the fash.

That's not what it is though, antifa don't typically go around to their houses attacking them, this is a response to them organizing.

Just like the Sturmburtling would disrupt protests from Hitlers opposition to stop them organizing.

Allende did try to resist though, he just merely wasn't successful. Keep that in mind my anarchist friend. It might be you going for a ride :^)

THE BEAR JEW IS A THUG, HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MUH FREE SPEECH

they're organizing to allowed to be able to give a talk at publicly-funded universities. their events are being cancelled under the reasoning of 'security concerns' because the likes of antifa are showing up.

if you're actively trying to suppress their opinions and support the academic institutions not allowing them to speak at universities, not only are you supporting the empowerment of intellectual dishonesty and bias in academia, but you are supporting government institutions to impose their will of not allowing voices they don't want to be heard speak publicly.

what happens when their interests go from not wanting to allow alt-right retards to talk, and instead want to censor leftists?

They are literally advocating for genocide.

self defense =! unprovoked street violence

No, he refused to arm the unions because he thought it would look bad to the reactionary press. Less memes, more history.

Seriously, you post with a Not Socialist flag and yet support a literal CIA JEW puppet chosen specifically for his malleability and stupidity in order to spread a globalist kabalist agenda against the wishes of the majority of the NATIONALIST AND PATRIOTIC and SOCIALIST population?

Stop trying to be edgy, you're just the average normie neo con retard.

At least is takes heliocopters to kill us.

All it takes to kill you is a crowd of peasants and meat hook.

Or you know, a single pill when you an hero because you lost your retard war built on the back of the MEFO billl Ponzi scheme because you were butthurt about not getting into art school

DO MORE METH FAGGOT

First of all you might want to read the thread regarding the definition of fascism.

Antifa have been fighting what they perceive as monsters for so long that they have become exactly what they are fighting against.

BO please range-ban every AmeriKKKan

Looks like somebody is a liberal

you can come up with as many bullshit definitions of 'attack' as you want. Unprovoked street violence is still bad. It makes us all look bad and it gives the state viable motive to crack down on the radical left.
Go back to Reddit.

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mad? Are you upset that the accelerationist candidate was chosen? Good try though, but I'm not a working class burger, good show of class sympathy though lel

And you think neo-nazi's have opinions that deserve to presented at universities? How is this any different from creationists trying to put their shit in the syllabus? You think those minorities feel safe with those cunts hovering around?

No, just because you use violence, does not make you the same as other violence users, that isn't how it works.

but it isn't.

Nobody has been able to answer this one, when did the left have credit and when wasn't it being cracked down upon? Can you tell me when please?

Next.

I didn't realise we were on 9gag in 2009

I like that you have not one considered point here tho.

top wew lad

these two points.. they can exist at the same time and do? I was arguing for self defence and the use of violence….?

haha, take off the mask of an anarchist and you'll find a liberal. Admit it, you hate proles

Thats like when feminists say that you can have online violence.

You need to come up with a better word for this type of violence. Like discomfort.

perhaps the entire population of proles are not a single body that shares one group preference. but then again, that would run contrary to your epistemology. stay spooked strirnite

structural violence is not cultural violence
cultural violence is not direct violence

So who is the real free speech haters? The people who actively support repressive regimes? Or the people who violently attack those people who support repressive regimes?

Both of them.

No, I want to liberate them from the state and capitalism. Everyone I know is a prole, I love proles, but In order to make an omelette, you gotta break some eggs. Surely you, a Nazi, know all about this.

But please, continue to ignore my points referencing actual historical events and just meme and ad hom instead.

No its not like, having your labour systematically stolen from you by a the state and corporations is fucking violence

are you even a leftist?

Right, so that is exactly what I have said above. Way to go. Still not answering my points tho is it…

They are racist against white and asian people and being funded by someone like Soros is pretty capitalist.

But really I was talking about their tactics. They perceive the people they are against to be violent thugs. So they give themselves permission to act like violent thugs. They stared in to the abyss and the abyss stared in to them.

Meme harder faggot. Pic related.

frozen peaches

oh right you put it in a triangle so now it is totally correct.

take this weak ass infograph b/s to Holla Forums where it belongs.

well who are the free speech lovers then?

Is it really theft if you agree to exchange something for money?

yeh man, anuddah shoah is real man.

so you don't actually know who specifically is funding them but you are making this accusation?

Kill yourself. The vast majority of antifa are grass roots, if one or 2 in big burger cities have porky bux that doesn't really say much

Money is debt is theft. Private property in any form is theft.

www2.kobe-u.ac.jp/~alexroni/IPD 2015 readings/IPD 2015_2/Galtung_Violence, Peace, and Peace Research.pdf

maybe read for once in your life and stop infecting Holla Forums with your feels>reals retardation

proudhon is rolling in his grave

People who let other people express themselves even if they disagree.

haha I only view people as the truly unique, and from this distinctness there needs to be an accord. Your weltanschaung is backwards, you idealist.

My point on the nature of proletariat is not sidestepping, I addressed your argument clearly; the classifying (social) relation to the means of production is not the bedrock of the unique, thus there can be no accord between an exclusively prole based society. Marx knew this and it drove him mad lol

I dont even get too worked up about racism but you cant say they arent racist when they are.

We know George Soros funds them. My point was if you are funded by any type of rich hedge fund banker (doesnt have to be Soros) then you arent really anti capitalist.

The REAL free speech lovers are the people who go out of their way to protect and support opinions they dont agree with.

Where as Antifa literally melt away screaming and flailing like the wicked witch of the west when presented with an opinion they dont agree with.

Dropping spooks is itself a spook; spooks are to be used. Holla Forumsyps don't into reading.

but leftcom user, I am the spook

where is my feels over reals? I think I've stuck to history and examples pretty well here.

over my comment or the comment it was in response to ?

okay so another question, within the capitalist media and state system, when you have to shell out huge amounts of cash to actually be heard, can any speech be considered free when it all has to be paid for?

everybody is indeed a special special snowflake.

It doesn't answer your claim that allende resisted and could not, which is false.

It doesn't answer the claim that

it doesn't answer that

Right, but nobody was saying ANYTHING AT ALL about "the bedrock of the unique" you shift the goal posts even as you claim not be shifting the goal posts.

well YOU can't say they ARE racist when they AREN'T

source me up compadre I'm all ears.

That is correct and I wouldnt have made the accusation if they werent racist.

Are you gonna protect and support Trump supporters and Antifa if you disagree with both?

a proportion of them no doubt have warped views about white muh privilege. Its reaching to call them racist

Yes…

Yeah it gets very confusing because Antifa wants to punch nazis and I dont agree with that opinion so I have to support it.
But I also dont agree with nazis so I think I have to punch myself.

btfo

The truly unique is not conformity, but then again I would expect /lefties/ to get memes, especially the snowflake meme. There is no pretension or (hidden) desire for it.

Allende did not do all he could possibly do because he was weak, but he definitely had the means and the plans to enact violence. He merely stepped into an arena he had no place in and got his justice.

As for Trump, I thought that was clear. He is an accelerationist candidate. It does not matter what he does in the end. If you correct there was merely the illusion of choice. If you are wrong? Well…

No, I guess you missed my point on the unique. Proles will use violence against one another just as easily as any other would, irrespective if we live under a capitalistic system or otherwise. Your line of thought is fundamentally flawed as you have attributed the basis for behavior on the means of production and how we relate to it.

You're free to express yourself, but yeah you need some kind of capital to be massively heard unfortunately and I think of course that it should not be reserved to corporations, Internet is a good thing for that.

There is strength in fear!

You can achieve a lot simply by luck and being in the right place at the right time.
Pewdiepie has more global reach than most news networks and hes just a random swedish sinner.
They spent millions trying to replace him but it never works despite how much money they throw at it.

k

call me a nazi, and I'll goosestep for you, but call me a Not Socialist and I'll give you the ol' roman salute.

Well if I'm the one in control…

t. Trudeau

again, were we talking about the truly unique? No, so you shifted the goalposts to some random SJW bs.

Care to provide a source as to this claim? It is an extremely well known historical fact Allende refused to arm the unions.

Nonetheless, you still haven't explained why you support a CIA puppet against the wishes of the national population?

wasn't talking about Trump either.

Which point of mine does this refute?

But you're not really free to express yourself if you are drowned out by monopolised interests. I mean you can say the words but they will be twisted and spun until basically you haven't expressed yourself, what you expressed has been changed not to resemble anything like what it did before. Is that a free speaking environment?

that quote was taken so far out of context it is hilarious. i don't like trudeau but holy shit did he look bad after so many people misrepresented what he was saying

youtube.com/watch?v=3C_BubeBU8E

No, you're just an edgy faggot necon

It's weird how this exactly parallels what is happening to the right-wing speakers on college campuses, isn't it?

I'm a not socialist fam, i.e. Fascist, not sure what part you're not getting here.

Neocons are the evolutionary descendants of Demsocs and internationalists fam. Of which funnily enough Donald duck is one

Only, all the monopolised interest is on their side, so no.

No, you're an edgy faggot. Because a National Social would never support a CIA puppet globalist.

Keep in mind antifa is an affinity group. Antifa in the USA and most of western europe is pure LARPing, while in some eastern and southern euro locations there's actual fascists.

How so?

only a sincere anarchist could do this

the CIA are a fundamentally Jew controlled organisation.

Their agenda is the Jew agenda.

Why are you even posting then? Is /letfypol/ a free speaking environment?

wtf I now disavow jew cia puppets for cia jew puppets

Yes, this is surely why the OSS and intelligence groups during ww2 had knowledge of concentration camps that they never acted on

or knowing where Adolf Eichman was in Argentina for years before Mossad capturing him

or operation paperclip, absolving nazi war criminals from conviction in exchange for their employment

Show me a major news outlet in support of Antifa.

Show me a large corporation CEO in support of Antifa.

Only, I have repeatedly referred to history, and you have repeatedly been ahistorical. So, no.

to discuss things???

more so than mainstream society.

another stellar non argument from non argumentus maximus over here

The media can't go out in full support in Antifa because they surely intend to turn on the radical left later down the line, but the deceit by omission they carry out is always in favor of Antifa.

Most people aren't automatically going to side with the skinheads because some people in hoods and masks appear. There has to be an existing baseline of support for that ideology already. So… fuck 'em.

pipul poster thinks he's in the realm of arguments.

This is all true, but this not what Nazis believe, they believe the world is controlled by the Jew. Now considering the American deep state and therefore the CIA control the world, that means the CIA must be the Jew.

I'm not claiming it is, I think its the longest arm of capital, but faggoty balls here can't understand that, so I'm putting it in terms he can.

Simple socratising his position to its fullest extent. Nothing more

You're an anarchist calling other people edgy faggots. Ruminate on that for a second.

I hope they stay around. If we defeat them too quick, people will forget how bad leftism can get when it's radicalized to the point of "d-dd-d-d-dont have that opinion".

but anyway, Antifa are basically the same as shinhead LARPers. They forget that it's no longer the 1930's and that movements in America get

thats a nice hand ful of straws you are clutching at. So no concrete evidence then?

This, also as nobody has yet answered this point, the left couldn't be discredited, because it had no credit. This was done by 50 years of reactionary propaganda, not by Antifa.

nigga please

nothing edgy about anarchist theory. Its about community coherence.

People will, however, side with the people saying "hey white people we'll protect you" when street hooligans use their identity politics as an excuse to beat the shit out of people indiscriminately.

You're acting like Antifa just showed up one day as 2 kids wearing hoodies and chanting. That's not what happened or what's been happening, and you know it.

This.

I think you are not giving people enough credit. Must people are smart enough to see through alt right platitudes, even if they are basically apolitical. It is only the alt right themselves who are too dumb to do this

noice dubs, that being said, how can you discuss something when we do not speak the same language to agree on the same axioms to accord a common good. Nonsense.

haha just cuck my shit up, one off

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Ah yes, just normal folks out walking their dogs. Why are you pushing this narrative? Can you point to one example of the DREADED ANTIFA harming anyone not demonstrating for far-right interests?

They're not going out and hitting old ladies minding their own business FFS.

the interview with moldylocks allowing her a platform to make herself look like a victim when in fact she was inciting violence by throwing bottles and shit? but not giving one to the other guy?
what news outlet was that?

We are speaking the same language, you are just refusing to meet point by point because you have no answers.

One interview certainly does not signal an overarching media bias.

The whole free speech rally, maybe? Like there were right-wingers at the event sure but most of them were milquetoast liberals.

Either way, it's not okay to attack people because they said things you don't like.

go back to leddit

ok, so your a mutualist. This means two things, 1, your new to this whole 'left' thing and read something about Proudhon or are an ancap with misguided ideas about what mutalism is. 2, you arnt engaged with anything leftist in the real world, hence the mutualist flag. With all the in mind, maybe dont listen to what a bunch of drunk/high screeching autists have to say one any given subject and take it seriously.

whoa i hate leftcoms now

k thanks

a language is more than words. It's you inability to understand subtext that sets us apart. I have plenty of answers, you merely suppose that being aggressive in rhetoric proves a point. But what is the point if there is no discussion in good faith. Don't play at being Socrates, you're thraysmachus lel

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its ok leftcomsun. I actually hated you before that post.

reddit lieberal hates leftcom. Not entirely unsurprising

no, you both are just equally autistic.

just so you all know, before leftcom deleted his post, he was agreeing with the fascists.

Do with that information as you may

Go back.

…based Nazi? What is this timeline on?

>>>/liberalpol/

Holla Forumsyp detected

To ICE you dumb piece of shit.

what is even happening anymore

Also on empirical grounds you're stupid. I posted

not my fault your options on smashing fascism are the same as fascists.

Yeah I think antifa has pretty much lost, and every rural hick you find that hates the govt, hates anarchists and communists even more now. What we really need is to reach out to them and make them realize the govt and capitalism is the problem, that there a few people at the top that determine the course of their lives by orchestrating trade agreements that make them wealthy at the cost of the livelihoods of millions. They:re already armed

Punch as many fascists as you wish, liberal; just think about what that might do to the left as a whole. You're better off by even using a gun.

Also, for those who doubt me, see pic.

it isn't an example, it clearly does not show a corporate media bias in favour of anti-fa, it just shows they interviewed somebody. Every single person who goes on the news in an event like that is trying to paint themselves as the victim, just like when Spencer spent 2 weeks whining about getting punched.

Which specific subtext am I not getting?

No I give you a direct point to address and you come back with something totally irrelevant and then refuse even to explain why you think it is relevant, instead going off on another tangent.

Socrates explicitly wanted everyone to play at being Socrates, it was like his whole shtick you jerk off

giving an interview to one side when not reaching out to the other side for one is showing a bias in how information is presented to the public

Which news outlet conducted this interview? CBS?

Well CBS interviewed Nathan Damigo, faggot

sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/10/13/stanislaus-state-whites-only-group-identity-europa-nathan-damigo/

confirmed for not knowing Socrates was a figment of Plato's imagination. read the primary sources you dip.

Whomst'dve'll thought that lefties will radicalize into sorellians sooner than thought?

Also, if you didn't know, the mayor of Berkeley has ties to BAMN and Antifa, and was reportedly the reason why there was not much police intervention over the past few clashes.

But sure, Antifa are definitely the ones fighting for the proles here.

antifa don't fight for proles though. Antifa fights for intersectionalist causes, which precludes huwhyte working mails

That's not an interview after the event, that is literally from 6 months before.

What kind of crack are you smoking? You're really getting desperate here

yup this totes proves that. Only it doesn't

Just like you read all those primary sources about Chile right…

Source it up.

You are claiming they somehow don't show both sides. The fact is they have given both media coverage.

and and, this is another side step, as you have ignored every other point, again.

HUGE if true

That is not both given media coverage about the incident in question. Holy fucking shit mate, and the article you posted was clearly a hit piece trying to show him in a negative light

I am sympathetic to your position and I think aut-rightists are fucking fags, but seriously m8 I can't get behind the practices of north American Antifa

pretty sure they focus squarely on fascshits. They are associated with anarchism because most of the time, their methods are extralegal

cbsnews.com/news/protesters-arrested-as-pro-trump-and-anti-trump-rallies-clash-in-berkeley/

duuuurrrrr I suppose you actually went and looked before making these claims?

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Obligatory.

Kurt Tucholsky - Embrace the Fascists

You have to treat them nice and gentle
do nothing rash, they're sensitive
you must be somewhat sentimental
respectful of the way they live
don't let your dogs attack them on the street
embrace the fascists where you may meet

If they should call for hate or violence
just let them talk, it is their right
I keep your protestations silent
you wouldn't want to start a fight for fighting
is what they do best
embrace the fascists & you'll be blessed

And if they fire their guns upon you
is life so precious in your eyes?
you would be sheep with wolves around you
why not be gladly victimized?
And if you feel inside your guts
the Nazi dagger's blade
embrace the fascists that you have made

I still can't believe these idiots are literally driving from hours away to fight college kids

An embarrassment to the Left.

Anyone who supports Antifa is pretty fuckin' wack if you ask me

It is 18 year old liberal lifestylists LARPing as anarchists

there is no proof that Socrates actually existed. There are plenty of primary sources on the armed resistance of Allende's supporters. Now why would they have all of those arms??

again, your accusation is rooted in projection. Do you want to fuck your mum or something lol

They call everyone fascists though, they understand the sociopolitical ideology less than Lolibetarians and Republicans. Which seems to be a critical error for those who claim to oppose fascism. (modern) Antifa are in essence brought to the lowest common denominator; libshits only concerned with inter-sectionalism.

i want no part in this anymore

also

Every interview with these faggots looks like a hit piece, because their shit is so retarded. There is nothing else you can do. Really what they are doing is getting him to define his beliefs, which is what a journalist does.

Nonetheless you claim CBS has some antifa bias but clearly this is not the case.

Also consider that generally most see man punch woman and are outraged anyway. CBS wanted to grab headlines. Sure they are cynical scum after ratings, but they are certainly not pro antifa.

On top of this, even if this showed a CBA antifa bias, which it doesn't, that certainly is not proof of an overarching corporate media anti fa bias, which was the original complaint.

Can someone explain why righties think this argument works, when we know for fucking fact that WN groups, like American Vanguard and Traditional Workers' Party, are appearing at these events?

I'm sorry, but no, "they're not real fascists" just doesn't wash.

you're doing it to yourself at this point

Here you are again arguing a point I have not contested, miles from where the conversation started, because you can't answer a simple question.

Primary sources will also indicated this was an extremely wide ranging popular front. Allende himself was against the use of violence and the arming of unions.

Also, they had very few arms, as when Pinochet came to round up the arms (yes, pinochet did not believe in gun rights and disarmed the population, nice libertarian there) they found only very few.

>again, your accusation is rooted in projection. Do you want to fuck your mum or something lol

Yup, you not talking about the point is evidence of me wanting to fuck my mum. Truly epic troll bro. Pretending to be retarded is being retarded.

btfo again

so you do want to fuck your mum. you're merely projecting at this point. Why are you so boring lol

idk, around here the main enemy of the antifa-oriented is a legit neo-nazi organisation. they're small but they're also violent (like, if you look at police statistics, the far right is the "worst" (most violent) out of all "extremists" by far)

so, opposing them strongly is not wrong when the police aren't even doing everything they could legally do. the nazi organisation could very well be banned w/ our laws, but nahh, not happening. the police may even know that the nazis are holding a demonstration, but they don't really put enough attention into seeing the nazis don't do shit (they've managed to do several violent attacks, like gassing a pride parade, stabbing a guy who was organising an event about a book about right wing extremism, some yars later they beat up the same guy again, they've attacked people who criticise their activity several times)

once the nazis managed to kill a guy who told them to fuck off (they probably didn't try to but they were happy about the result, they just kicked him hard and he hit his head, died a week later)

then again, some antifa guy literally beat up a restrained nazi in the back of a police car… that wasn't very heroic
but others have managed to make some businesses stop dealing w/ the nazis, organised some opposition to the events of the nazis, and so on

pictured are some of the nazis

all in all, in general, I can respect the antifa-oriented people. the fact that our police can't stop the nazis is that bad.

should have killed them tbh

you have admitted defeat.

youtube.com/watch?v=tuIGjex15lk

I guess tl;dr if the faschies are being violent without proper opposition, antifa tactics are completely justified

otherwise the nazis are the only people to be feared, and that ain't good. they should also need to fear, so they can't powertrip endlessly 'cause they're the only extreme group in a liberal democracy

"im just trolling"

+meme answer

= BTFO

Then they're not fucking free. If I am free in a certain respect, then thins I do within that respect DO NOT HAVE CONSEQUENCES other than their natural ones.

I never claimed to be trolling. You merely miss the point and argue in bad faith. You're not worth the time famolio

boys, are there any good books about the history of antifa activities in europe or whatever. Id be very interested.

i know this comment is two hours old but I went to that protest and while there were some straight up Trump supporters, a lot of those people were very far right wing types who were there to fight and nothing else. it wasn't a "free speech" rally.

This is UK centric, but is pretty interesting

thanks b
ill give it a read

Germany, Italy, and Spain in the 40s.

did Sargon of Mossad link to us lately or something?

All three of those transitions to fascism relied heavily on violence on behalf of the fascists. They didn't just talk a whole bunch then all of a sudden poof! Fascism. Fascists pull a lot of shit to get into power and speaking is really the only one of those things sacred enough not to crack down on.

Hello T_D
Antifa makes fascists bitch and moan and pee pee their pants. Even if they are useful idiots or FBI spooks I have to give them a hand for stirring shit up.

you're suggesting that there's anything on this fucking planet more autistic than Reddit?

Holla Forums is spooks

Everything can be disregarded using 'pure' reason, though I am assuming this.

I agree with you, but organizing and marching is a bit different to just airing your moronic views (which they all invariably do online anyway).

I've never heard any argument against antifa that didn't sound like the person saying it was either a liberal or a Nazi.

They're retarded larpers wasting time on slap fights with other retarded larpers who'll never even run successfully for the office of dog catcher,let alone see real power.
They should be beating up corporate raiders and bankers on Wall Street.
At this point all they're doing is making the left look even worse than it already does, especially when they attack misguided, desperate proles who voted for Trump.
Calling those people fascists is doubly stupid, because a) we should be trying to win them over not alienate them, and b) most of them have family members who fought real nazis in WW2, more than a few of whom died, and they'll not take kindly to being compared to them.

yeah but they're allowed to. I defend their right to march and organize because that's defending MY right to march and organize. I'm not a hypocrite, nor am I going to give the state an excuse to crack down on the far right, then use the exact same excuse to shut down the far left.

Fascists aren't going to just march and organize forever. Wait until they do something wrong so it won't bite you in the ass when you bash them. I don't want to give the state ammunition against leftists, and I don't want to give tankies ammunition at all. Insert sappy line misattributed to Voltaire here.

By turning into actual fascists.

I'd rather live in an ML country with American characteristicd instead of neoliberalism.

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Or by just beating the tar out of who ever called them fascists, and then ignoring any further entreaties or discourse with the left.

in english?

They voted for Trump

Go ahead and move to Cuba or North Korea if that's how you really feel.

This isn't a book, but is a bretty gud documentary about antifascism in France
youtube.com/watch?v=EfDbTgb6uyc

So the takeaway from this is more or less a round of "good and bad things are exactly the same."

OY VEY WHADDYA ANTI SEMITIC GOY!?!?! MANY JOOZ SYMPATHIES WIT YA CAUSE Y'KNOW

no, it's that both good and bad things have opportunities to come to power. and free speech is equally important in each scenario

Stay woke France, stay woke.

Antifa in both Europe and America are the footsoldiers of idpol, and the child of neoliberal capitalism. They are defending neoliberalism at every corner and are funded by multibillionares to protect the establishment and silence those who stray too far from it.

Keep in mind that the Class Struggle means NOTHING to these people, they are willing to stab the working class to death if the worker doesn't support the "queer/trans struggle" or "dismantling subconscious prejudice" which they view as much more important than class.

Not to mention the entire "antifascist" movement was started by German Social Democrats (aka the status quo at the time) and they suppressed communist thought nearly just as much as 'fascist' thought.

Do you even know what that 3 downward arrow symbol means which they use? It means down with the 3 enemies of Social Democracy: Reactionaries, Fascists, and Bolsheviks. It was never a workers movement and never will be.

They view Class-Based non idpol Communism as nearly the same enemy as Fascism.

wew laddie

The children waving the antifa banner in America do. They're naive children though, so I forgive them.

he's not wrong

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You're not alone

Nope, just my own inference.

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"Muh free speech, speech should be without consequence"

Fuck me, Holla Forums is over there.

Antifa would get less shit if they were even a bit "professional", they have way too many fags without muscles and girls who can't even fight a manlet is embarrassing.

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Also rich kids, so they are quite fearless when fighting the police. If they get arrested they can count on mommy and daddy to bust them out.
If the police actually catches real rare prole antifa, they will get exempelled.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27th_G8_summit#Charges

wow are you a burger? if burgers did half the shit the french did during the labor reform we'd have the national guard called on us and possibly just get shot on site. there's no comparison between US cops and that in these other posh euro countries. the french have it pretty good since their citizens help each other out, even the conservatives to a degree… people understand teh need for organized labor on a mass scale. burger land, its every man for himself (literally)

damn, if i had a nickel for how often i've heard this shit about 'if you disagree with me then YOU'RE the facist" shit… whew, i mean, there is just no way that someone like you can tolerate a polite disagreement on effective forms of violence.

i'm noticing a lot of anarchists try to justify their penchant for 'kicking nazi teeth' without realiizing they still need a compelling argument for when to do so. it's just dumb that you guys feel anything you do is righteous and somehow, everybody else must be wrong, no matter how much they try to assure you they are arguing in good faith.

I mean, c'mon guys, get fucking real. If you were opposed to fascism you wouldn't be grabbing this low hangin shitfruit like coulter and milo. it's just stupid as fuck

this comment sums up the whole problem with antifa lately. biting off more than they can chew, then coming back to the people that were nervous about them going out there like little bitches whimpering about how the big bad wolf is finally coming out to play… i mean, all this virtue signalling about accelerationism is laughable when you have people claiming democrats are fascists, republicans are fascists, and basically anyone they dont like is facist.

i think i agree iwth ppl here that antifa are largely liberals larping as leftists at this point. they think 'oh i'm not a pacificist therefore any and all violence is good' so they just have a completely unrestricted, unnuanced view on the use of violence for political gains. its dumb, the more i look at their tactics critically, the more i disagree with them. i'm a leftist, sure, but i think they couldn't be doing more damage for real resistance than they are now. a vast majority of burgerland calls them out by name and directly spews vicious hate for them… this just is not good for the left

this is a great post and should be read by more people. i think its crucial that people recognize there is no need for 'antifa' if you are a communist. by definition, you should are 'antifa' if you are already a socialist or commie. i think this banner of 'antifa' just allows liberals and socdems to astroturf as leftists and ultimately undermine the class struggle. this i think is precisely why i've started to have so much doubt about antifa

to be more specific: what i meant by this, is antifa is easily co-opted to support capitalist ends. how you may ask? simple.

your local antifa, for all you know, could be 90% socdems and maybe 10% 'true' commies. However, since everyone there is only concerned with 'kicking nazi teeth in,' none of those distinctions matter. the fact that those people could be working AGAINST the broader mass movement i find deeply troubling.

anyone who complains about getting their teeth knocked in for being a blatant obnoxious nazi is a sissy boi cunt who might as well be some fedora tipping ancap with a yellow and black bowtie whining about the NAP. the ironic thing is that most of these far right cucklefucks whinge all day about surivial of the fittest and how life isn't nice and doesn't conform to you precious fee fees yet the moment they get clocked for being open fascists they cry and run to go tell the teacher on the mean mean antifa terrorist bullies that gave them a black eye. its honestly comical.

antifa can be 99% socdems and bourgeoisie liberals for all I care, being ready to oppose the fascists with whatever means is still pretty good. it is kinda sad how tightly idpol is tied to modern anarchism and antifa, tho: the justification for antifa seems to be "the nazis want to genocide minorities so we should beat them up before they do that!!!"

now whether they're actually successful in doing that… I don't know. do they manage to stop the fascists from directing their violence at bystanders? do they manage to actually make some fascists give up?

when it comes to "oh no they taint the image of leftism": that is unavoidable with so-called "direct action". it doesn't really matter whether the anarkiddies destroy property or fight nazis, the media reports it in a negative way and ideology does the rest.

I don't know about the US, but around here media tends to overpresent destructive direct action, under-report peaceful protests and under-report nazi action as well: the game is rigged from the start, the only way to avoid public "shame" would be doing nothing.

Cult dogwhistle.

Speech has fucking concequences. Milo is actively turning huge amounts of young men into fucking brownshirt morons. We have basically a fucking proto-fascist in the white house and the right are getting more and more radical.

Us on the left have every right to kick the fucking shit out of Fascists. "Muh free speech" isn't actually an argument because it completely ignores the power of the speech in the real world and the immense power the right hold politically and in the media. The worlds largest fucking news network is run by an old fucking hard-right nazi sympathizing australian cokehead.

Leftist have every right to kick the shit out of radical reactionary shitheads spreading a message of fear and hatred.

Put the bottle down, and go to bed. You've had enough LARPING for tonight.

yeah it's pretty obvious m8

Antifa is antimarxist from the people who brought you Rosa Luxembourg's corpse

You clearly get all your opinions from 4/Holla Forums. Pretty sad if you ask me.
no lel

Fascism has a goal, actively stating your intention of working towards that goal in any manner makes it a fucking joke to say it's just speech. It's a declaration of intent.

Holy shit the liberal delusion

Then every fucking US president for the last few decades has been proto-fascist
ur a faget

Reminder that fascism is capitalism in crisis and by narrowly focusing on "fascists" the actual problem is ignored. Taken to its logical conclusions this will always lead to reactionists defending the bourgeoisie and abandoning their collective interest.

[spoiler]>inb4 Read Bordiga[spoiler]

I like them because they are actually doing something. All these faggots in this thread sucking Holla Forumsyp dick disgust me.

Didn't read the thread.
There is nothing wrong the concept of antifa, and as it stands today it might have actually been good and overall prevented some real problems over the decades. Just because it can be flawed, taken too far, or whatever else doesn't mean this isn't true.
I don't remember where but I heard about neonazis in London around the 60s or 70s, shit was getting pretty bad, they were just hanging around, knocking glasses in the terraces of restaurants and shit, and this led to the birth of antifa groups. The truth is we don't know what it would be like without them.

Come on now.

Op are you a succdem?

I know you just want a (You), but I can't sleep, so let's do this.

Natural consequences. Not imposed consequences. If you're a public figure and you say some stupid shit, you may lose your livelihood. If you go around talking about gassing jews and hanging blacks, and an angry mob beats your ass for it, that's all fair game. If you get no-platformed for being too controversial, well, maybe you shouldn't have been so controversial. What the free speechers are taking issue with is the idea of being drowned out or even met with legal action for mere words, often words that aren't really even offensive, and are just being labeled as such for political reasons.

Milo is actively turning huge amounts of young men into fucking redcap morons. LARPing AntiFa retards and libshits are turning huge amounts of young men into fucking brownshirt morons. No one gave a shit about Richard Spencer or nazism before AntiFa punched him, and now people are looking favorably at it.

You sure do love that F word. "Fucking," I mean. You've used it in every sentence so far. But "fascist" as well. Do you know what fascism actually is? I'll give you a hint: it's not synonymous with nazism, and even if it were, you'd still be wrong. Trump is about as far from fascism as possible, he's just a bumbling idiot who didn't know what he was getting himself into, and can't do jack shit because all the checks and balances keep saying "No! Bad president!"

That's "We on the left," deary.

No, actually you don't. I mean literally, there is no legal right protecting you for attacking people who aren't actively attacking anyone else. And morally and ethically, it's completely unjustifiable to assault someone for their ideas, no matter how repugnant you may find those ideas.

BAHAAAHAAHAHAHAHA
Oh man, I needed that, thank you. Again, Trump hasn't been able to do jack diddly that he's tried to do, because THE SYSTEM IS WORKING AS IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. And as for the right having control of the media? Let's not kid ourselves here, there IS no right-wing media, unless maybe if you count Breitbart. I wouldn't.

alt-light is worse than alt-right tbh. Just a bunch of neocons in denial

What do you call the MSM that clearly prefers a right-wing agenda then?

Bashing random Trump Supporters is fucking retarded but bashing actual Fash i.e people who wish to kill or forcefully deport Minorities is ok in my book

Oh wait, I meant "peaceful ethnic cleansing"
What in the holy hell does that mean

Non-existent. The MSM is all firmly leftist.

Shhhh shhhhh, no memes now, only books.

Forced abortions and sterilizations. Not really all that peaceful, especially if somebody decides that they don't want to be forcibly sterilized, or have their child aborted because you don't like their skin color. It's also extremely doubtful that it would begin and end with that. Forced sterilization and abortion would most likely start "the racewar".

Are you Holla Forums or just really fucking stupid?

Take a wild guess. Spoilers: It could be both.

but we're aling about antifa in this thread, not rioters, who, if I remember rightly, weren't mostly anarchists.

You know what I mean, the black bloc, the antifa, the anti-capitalists. There's obviously a decent Venn overlap even though antifa has some exclusive radical liberal elements and the anti-capitalist black bloc would attract various other factions, but it's obvious the poster sees them all as antifa, who, according to his sources, are all rich kids acting out.

You know what I mean, the black bloc, the antifa, the anti-capitalists. There's obviously a decent Venn overlap even though antifa has some exclusive radical liberal elements and the anti-capitalist black bloc would attract various other factions, but it's obvious the poster sees them all as antifa, who, according to his sources, are all rich kids acting out.

Ethnic cleansing isn't the same as genocide. It's where ethnic groups go to the place "they belong" i.e extreme nationalism
Generally it is extremely violent though.

Americans can't protest. Europe knows how to send messages

Is it possible to be a race realist and a leftist? Seriously, almost all leftist literature is written by whites

No lel

Well now I regret telling you to look up Genoa G8 because of all the horrors in that page you decided that some protester not being a hobo is the biggest crime.

I swear this place needs a purge.