Suppressing your reactionary tendencies for the good of the cause

Another thing is that Holla Forumsyps don't realize how easy it would be to move around in an international society where fuel would be free.

The only reason is for nationalism is because it's hard to escape people you really really really don't like, so you have to team up with people you probably don't like anyway to fight them off.

Under communism, you just go move when you don't like your neighborhood and it's virtually no hastle at all.

I think it's important for Holla Forumsyps who are on the fence. They don't actually have to give up anything personal. They just have to join the correct fight.

this implies communism is possible

Agreed. And I don't think I can be racist because I'm far too good at being a misanthrope for that. But, your 100% annihilating capitalism is most important and then id pol etc is next.

Sounds like all you need is a good de-spooking

theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-ego-and-his-own

What else is going to happen when the organic composition of capital nosedives and the rate of profit with it?

You're welcome here and you are on the right path. Don't let other people/pol false flags bother you.

Section 3: The Hierarchy

Those are Holla Forumsyp falseflags, this is unfortunately never an actual response to casually shitposting nazi Holla Forumsyps here, though Holla Forumsyps also usually make idpol arguments "against" idpol on the larger threads.

why does it have to be socialism? I could be a completely different economic system, maybe unknown to us at the current time.

I really hope we keep building kindness for leftypol. The people who jump out just to be dicks to others are really hurting the constructiveness of the board.

There aren't that many physically conceivable option.

Well, you know, Marx (or Engels, I can't recall) rejoiced at the American conquest of Mexican territories, saying they were too lazy to do anything good with the lands anyway. Marx called Lassalle a jewish nigger once, and I remember of other racist remarks some other times. Engels and Marx both had nothing but disdain for the Woodhull sisters and their "free-love". Marx also couldn't write about Bakunin to someone without calling him fat at least once.

All that, of course, didn't stop them from perceiving things materialistically and through a methodology that didn't their personal biases and values into account, and to support the right policies at the right time. If you can arrive at that, that's good enough.

Frankly, racism/homophobia/etc are all kind of sad, and I don't think a socialist organization should ever condone it, but the working masses are literally billions of people, most of which will never read Marx but believe in ghosts, demons, etc. There's a whole variety of bullshit we'll have to swallow if we want an unified proletariat, and I think at least culturally a proletarian organization is best perceived as a machine of small, independent parts than one single behemot imposing its values and culture upon a lot of people, because the latter simply doesn't fucking work. So keep your fucked up personal views as long as you're a commited and disciplined member of the struggle on the economic/labourr field, I guess.

I don't know if you are trolling or not, but honestly we all probably have reactionary views of some variety that we've got to keep zipped like this. The fact that you understand and accept that your bigotry is most likely irrational and best left unmentioned for the good of the cause is all anyone can ask for.

Why?

why?

that was the popular conception back then, his theory has different implications tho

Now you just need to realize that leftypol is the leftist board with most darkies and gays ratio and is still the best leftist board.
captcha: qtesex

Who /don't zip shit and let it all out/ here

m8 see this post:

No one is going to force races to all live in diverse communities, and under communism living where you want would be free. People could just do house swaps so eventually people who want diverse communities would swap there, and people who wants less diverse communities would swap there. It's a big world. It won't be hard to start a white commune. You don't need the state or capitalism.

Someone needs to make a "which bits of Stirner do we ignore and which bits do we take seriously" guide then.

Either you have private property or you don't, surely.

Being around other races a lot really helps. For example, you would be amazed at how quickly being in the military gets that shit out of your system. Guys from other races are your best friends, and extreme sexual deviancy is what you will be doing most every weekend.

The fact that that is entirely true is hilarious.

Yeah, you're right. I'm a Holla Forumsyp for hating bigots regardless of viewpoint on political economy.

Holla Forums: lets whine about idpol 24/7
Also /lefypol/: racism is good actually
The Holla Forums subversion is impressive, I'll give you that.

The entire point of this thread is that racist idpol is bad. Did you even read at all? The point is that personal racist feelings must not be politicized, otherwise that's idpol.

I couldn't be racist even if I wanted to tbh. I'm a burger that works in a supermarket with proper diversity here, we have many people from all over and many mixed race people. And I don't notice any racism at all

Not even sure where this mean of the lower class being racist comes from. The only racism I notice is "liberal racism" like for instance this guy who once commented that the black guy that we eat lunch with doesn't have a black enough name and he wished that he would so that we'd seem properly diverse

>__ is good actually
cool reddit meme kid, now fuck off back to /r/socialism

Why do I feel like Holla Forums actually has more non-whites than us? Knowing their complete retardation I wouldn't be surprised.

Also…

Marx never said workers of the world LOVE EACH OTHER.

He said workers of the world UNITE. Political economy is the only thing that matters, and anti-racist politics are a means to that end, not an end unto themselves, because you'll never scrub people's biases from theird heads. That isn't what communism is about. That's some kind of straw communism made up by an infowars fan.

Our common goal is toppling capitalism, nothing more, nothing less.

I'll support tankies any day. The rainbow haired anarchists who consider having a family reactionary all have to die though.

I meant to quote:

but a quote from a different thread jumped in.

There's nothing wrong with being actually reactionary.

How can a leftist organization have a similar effect on its members?

It's fucked up that the military is so good at making personal differences and backgrounds seem so immaterial, while organizations that preach unity often seem to amplify those and make them a point of conflict.

There are plenty of muslims turning to Holla Forums out of anti-semitism.
Israel is evil and since they are getting support from the west they must've subverted them into their evil scheme. It's the only explanation that makes any sense.

Genuine reaction to libertarian individualism is pretty easy to sympathize with. It's kind of remarkable that it's a slur.

On a personal level, sure, but on a political level no. This is the distinction I want to make, because a lot of Holla Forumsyps think that left wing idpol is the same as Marxism, so they won't give up their right wing idpol beliefs. They don't understand that idpol is about politics and coalitions based on an idea, not personal biases/tastes.

Holla Forumsack here. I don't know if capitalism will impoverish me, and you certainly don't. Economists disagree on everything and whatever your economist proved, I can find another economist to prove the contrary. Even the general consensus among economist change every 50 years. This is what happen when you try to build a science without using experience to validate your hypothesis.

What I do know is that capitalism gave me the quality of life kings used to have and gave me modern medicine. If it change, society will press for another economic model and I will be part of it but for now let's roll this way.

Nations are dead and so will social order soon, but you are more to blame than capitalism. You are the ones who fought for it and made it happen.

At this point, I don't hate anybody, I just want to be left alone with what was used to be called normal people, the productive member of society sort. This is what liberals call racism and fascism and all. Whatever.

I don't give a fuck if it all collapse, I have a rifle so my home will stay safe. I can grow my own food so my family won't starve. I am ready and so should you. Maybe capitalism will fail 2007 style. I don't give a fuck, my loans are small and have fixed rate. Maybe capitalism will fail 1929 style. I don't give a fuck, I can deal with it. For now, capitalism give me the tools to prepare for the future so I won't fight it. You thought we ere busy saving whites countries from becoming third world shithole with a junta and ethnic cleaning like in Africa? Nope. We are busy preparing for when it will happen.

If things go bad, fags won't help you. Blacks won't help you. Brown won't help you. Even whites won't.

Your dream will never dome true because people don't care. Communism is seen by everyone but you as a thing of the past with massive failures as the only accomplishment it ever made. Good luck turning them into your very particular brand of communism/anarchism.

You want to rephrase that. You literally said: There is no white or black people.

I keep it in as well. Seems like the best idea. Congrats on OP.

good for you man. i don't share your prejudices, but i admire your dedication to principle.

I hate all people, and find the concept of existence in some sense disgusting. I mean, when we eat, we put stuff from outside out body inside, and later we do the opposite on the toilet. Every part of the body has wierd and imperfect anomalies, , etc. I know it's stupid, and when I've got something to do, I don't think about it so much. Probably been reading too much about Platonism. So in that sense I'm "suppressing" bigotry, even though I don't think it counts.

But I do belive there is something along these lines with hatred for people who look different, since in a certain way, when one compares what the person usually encounters (eg. just white, "normal", people) and then when he tries to look for something common in the other (eg. black) person, he can only find some sense of humanity, which one is disgusted by and rationalizes back onto the skin color to avoid self hatred. But maybe this is just horribly wrong, it was just an idea I had.

While I have been successful in purging my mind of most forms of idealism, emotion driven nostalgic nationalism and romanticism.
There are a few ideas that are still able to pierce my own philosophic conditioning.

The most prominent of these harmful ideas is the romantic notion of an Imperial restoration in Germany.
I have always been a Kaiser-boo, so the image of reclaiming German territory and restoring the aristocracy to power is quite appealing to me.

I do hope that with enough conditioning, I will one day no-longer have such a hole in my Technocratic armour.
Even then, I will probably always be a Kaiser-boo.

Fuck off retard. As if you don't have your own irrational biases and prejudices.

You have a good approach. I have literally no illusions about communism suddeny making every person's personal hang-ups palatable to me. People can be comrades even through personal dislike, because believing we can only start a revolution if we all like each other first would be retarded. Just keep that shit to yourself though, and work on despooking.

You are fine if you keep it to yourself. I dont like racists but I dont have to deal with their shit. I know someday racism will be over but for now the battle is with capitalism

I can never thank Stalin enough for utterly eradicating Prussia as an entity and a concept, kurwa

stopped reading there

Sorry cant relate with you.

This is gotta be trolling. There no way you could possibly understand what you said on either an intellectual or emotional level and still be that big of a bigot.

Also, it's not hard to tell when someone hate them, if you were a Holla Forumsyp you probably have the emotional intelligence of a 5 year old.

One thing the average lumpenprole is good at is reading social cues, I guarantee the hatred you think you're covering up can be seen a mil away from any minorities or women you approach.

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I am so deeply perverted that I have transcended mundane sex and now derive my pleasure exclusively from watching cute 2D girls get bullied/humiliated. It's even better if they secretly enjoy it.

For what it's worth though, I respect your ability to see the big picture and am happy to call you my comrade.

If you don't act out on your disgust then everything is fine and dandy. You're more conscious than any SJW or Holla Forumsack

If you want to be productive, you can clearly see that capitalism in last 50 years has enacted policy of throttling its output to compensate for its crises.

If you read a thing about cybernetics and information transfer, it might be obvious that organizational structures that support their existence perpetuate themselves in time.

Basis of capitalism is economical exploitation to accumulate capital. This development is left to be unregulated and natural, regulated only when it endangers capitalism itself.

Basis of socialism is to make people exercise power as society over the immense production abilities that capitalism has managed to create.

Communism is saw like what you say because people can't be arsed to pick up the Georges Politzer book or Alexander Spirkin book, which kinda explain the whole thing, especially that forces governing the progress of society are larger than anything one person can do.

If you don't agree with communism, it is fine. But communism does not care if anyone agrees with it or disagrees, it is an outcome of certain development of society, independent of petty opinions of Vietnamese tapestry weaving bulletin board posters.

Its good that you can see whats important. I might suggest you take a look at Fred Hampton etc and try to understand their struggle. I think you will not hate blacks after this maybe

Unlike what they tell you here, humans feeling aversion to those who are different from them is natural. This type of behavior is displayed universally both in time and space.

It's dialectics. Don't be a nincompoop and keep reading.

Has Posadas gone off the deep end?

Not that guy.

Requesting more reading please.

I confess I didn't understand this.

NEWS FLASH!
You can see people as just people and you don't have to hate anyone based on sexuality or skin color.

I for one don't find black, subsaharan, women, sexualy attractive. And that's ok.

for example is a faggot. The fact that I will more easily trust someone that looks like he is part of my culture and so on, doesn't mean I cannot get to know someone from another culture and so on. It's all part of wanting to know someone. And like Zizek says, no, I don't wanna trully know Abdul, just because he lives next door and is of a "minority". I may get to know him because we both like Lenin or something.

As far as I know, sexual orientation and race are part of the person.

This is one of those things that people say and it holds true sometimes, but not in every situation and not with every category of people.

I mean, there is one ethnic group in my country that I am frankly pretty racist about and it wasn't lack of exposure that caused me to develop that bias, it was the opposite. I grew up around them, lived next door to and in neighborhoods with them, went to school with them, had some (sadly short-lived) friendships, worked with them. The aggregate of all that is, shit, I'm actually pretty fucking racist here because out of a lifetime of proximity and interaction, I can count the positive experiences on one hand.

That said, I make a conscious effort not to let my biases along those lines influence the way I behave toward individuals when I meet them or my politics which is really the best I can do.

You neither choose them not are defined by them.

Music, ideology, .. football team, you choose and are defined by.

Regions in France and the US with more minorities make whites vote more to the right. This was so clear during the first round of the French election, it is ridiculous. The only exceptions to this are huge urban centers, like Paris.

Wait, what?
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US military is weird… we never had that when I was a conscript!

What? There are plenty of things you don't choose that define you. Think about height, sex or a major disease, your parents' income. Just because you want to remove every constraint to have "more choice" doesn't mean it is possible.

Also, how can you even say that things by which people are easily categorizable and that seem to be correlated with a wide range of thoughts and behaviors do not define you?

So, if you are short and your parents were bourgie scum, you are predestined to be a lolbert prick?

I'm gonna guess
Gypsies ?

Nobody is talking about predestination.

I too am "racist" against gypsies. Am fine with everyone else. For the same reasons.

I dunno, prejudices aren't exactly rational behavior and I think the best thing one can do is to recognize that and consciously put them aside like the OP did. While it can be easy for people to get over the sort of bigotry caused by propaganda and misinformation once someone realizes they were being misled, bigotry caused by personal negative experiences with a member of a certain demographic can be more difficult to overcome, like if someone hates black people because a family member was killed by one or a woman who hates men because she was raped. I think that this sort of bigotry will eventually fade on its own if we manage to work towards a utopian society and eliminate the cause of these sorts of conflicts.

The problem here is they only preach. Most leftists orgs these days are pathologically afraid of power, even internally. Especially in burgerstan there seems to be an obsession with consensus decision making and everybody "having their voice heard" as well as an apparent desire to somehow use internal organisation to flip whatever perceived hierarchies there are in wider society rather than do away with or ignore them.

A military nearly always has concrete goals to achieve and requires unity and discipline to achieve them. Which means that leaving your personal shit at the door for the sake of unit cohesion or the mission or whatever is not just preached, it's enforced.

In some ways I think serious democratic centralist orgs with clear programmes have a better shot at achieving this, but there are really none of those left in the west anymore, for better or worse.

Well if materialism is absolute, predestination is implied. Unless quantum faggotry can affect the outcome of the macro world.

Too bad materialism is wrong.

This conversation serves not purpose.

Why should I apologize for and suppress my racism? Abdul and Jamal certainly don't.

nah man, australian aborigines. noongars in particular since that's the mob I spent my formative years around.

I spent my time with abos as well, and yet I'm not a racist.

Absolutely nothing does. That's another implication of materialism.

such brilliance

Well who am I to deny such a compliment merely for stating the obvious?

Good for you, people's lives and experiences are different and form different prejudices.

You shouldn't apologize, you should realize you're as big a retard as Abdul and Jamal.

source of the pic?

Africans haven't done even 1/1000 what Whites and Jews and Asians have done to this planet's biosphere and biodiversity. They may be without many accomplishments in the way of technological civilization but they're then also not responsible for unspeakable horrors in E/SE Asia and the Middle East and Eastern Europe like Germans and Jews and Asians are.

There are plenty of minorities who realize that white people are being exploited the same way they are and advocate fixing the system itself instead of becoming reactionaries, the problem is that capitalists WANT to keep the working class distracted by bickering with eachother over identity politics and actively encourage it, while people like the guy in the video got murdered by the feds.
Anyone who advocates for ANY sort of racism is just a useful idiot for Porky, it doesn't matter what demographic they are.

Holy shit I forgot about green pill comics, those were great until Holla Forums ruined it.

Kemokko Lovers 4, first story. Really good stuff.

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question: i see this pointed out that capitalists WANT us to bicker and engage in identity politics, but is this really the case? Like is it really a case of capitalists being aware of whats happening and trying to game us? Seems to me that they don't WANT us to be sectarian and stuff, but they just benefit from identity politics profit wise i.e its easy to use it to appeal to people and rake in money. But it doesn't seem to me they're actively encouraging it and collaborating just to prevent the working class from rising up.. that seems sort of conspiracy theory esque

sometimes leftists make the mistake of anthropomophising this shit too much and projecting it onto the bourgeoisie/capitalists/ruling class as individuals to the point where we sound like an infowars-tier tinfoiler.

It's not a matter of them all getting together in a secret club and deciding to do this or that (though that can happen in regards to narrow interests regarding this or that particular situation, see COINTELPRO), but more that we understand that the way the system functions, and what it requiries to keep functioning, will incentivise behaviours that lead to these outcomes. It's important to remember (and this board tends to get this better than many other leftist spaces imo) that the ruling class and their state apparatus are slaves to capital every bit as much as the working class and will act quite organically in their class interests as the system requires without the need for a shadowy conspiracy of men in dimly lit rooms pulling strings.

It is a weakness that I'm working hard to correct.
I acknowledge how nonsensical, and horridly romantic such a desire is.

With a greater focus on Technocratic philosophy.
I'm confident that I will able to purge this last lingering element of romantic irrationalism from my mind.

can't make this shit up

I suppose that it goes along way to explaining the current state of the left.
If philosophy and personal disciple are considered to be reactionary.

Technocracy is reactionary fam. It's merely a modern application of the old idea of a philosopher king

The way I see it, your problem is fetishizing hierarchy instead of just accepting it.
You see hierarchy as an end in itself instead of just the way things are or need to be in order to achieve something.
You're desperate to dominate people.
Tell me about your daddy.

this really couldn't have been a more obvious falseflag if you had tried, saged

You're paranoid. Unsaged

I don't know about the rest of the branches, but the USAF enlisted dorms put 60's frat houses to shame.

Just filter the tripfag, and see how much better it makes the thread.

I fucking despise cis people but try to suppress it when doing activism and revolutionary work.

I quickly came to the realization that you can't have world revolution without the help of billions of cis people.

Well I can understand why you would think that.
Reading an brief definition or skimming a wiki article does tend to impart false impressions.

Technocracy has no desire for a 'philosopher king'.
It simply seeks to create the maximum amount of happiness, for the maximum amount of people, for the maximum amount of time.
It is total utilitarianism achieved via applied science, hierarchical order and maximization of efficiency.

As a rather militant utilitarian.
I would say that I'm desperate to make people happy.
To end the current nightmare of scarcity economics, politics, relativism and the tyranny of the majority.

If I had some desperate desire to 'dominate' people.
I would probably be some sort of an-cap or neo-liberal.

Yeah we've all heard your mantra before howard. As absurd as the mantra is in itself, you ignore the fact that this all inevitably results in an figure at the top that is in essence a philosopher king.

Take a look at some hwndu footage and see that the ebin pol trollerz are really diverse which is hilarious because then are they all just pretending to be white or something?

Right. It's harder to grasp in some cases that what we truly want and need to destroy is a system. But this system is shapeless and permeates our lives in every single way possible. It's not a race or anything as easy as that, a Holocaust of bankers, politicians, cops, shareholders, billionares, etc. couldn't fix it (though it would be a start :'^)). It's a disease. It's a virus that's only concerned with self preservation and expansion, that goes down from the Bloomberg types to the dickhead fast food manager.

But you have no idea what happiness is. Simple pleasures doesn't make for a happy life.

I have a sort of antipathy to women. I think it's rooted in the fact I've no interest in fucking them, while knowing most men do (and knowing they know most men do, and therefore that they could rationally suspect I'm a man and thus do, depending on my behaviour and state of inebriation.)

It never really manifests when I interact with them as individuals, but as a collective, or as a few low-level suspicions and prejudices it's there. There's some backing for it, such as how they generally poll in favour of status-quo liberalism over any sort of "radical" politics, but I'm not going to pretend it's rational.

In order to keep your reactionary tendencies, you must train yourself to stop these thoughts as soon as they appear. "Mindkilling" in a way.

No, I dont really hate anyone except people who directly prohibit my own way of life and my safety. Maybe this is an artefact of my countries culture, as I am dutch and "tolerance" in the normal, non-idiotic sense is one of the core tenants of social conduct for over 300 years.

I also do have some irrational prejudices and ideas, but I know they are irrational, because I know and are friends with plenty of exceptions to them. But I commend you for realising your own inherent irrationality, like we all have, and acting accordingly, as we all should.

CBT is bullshit.

It was actually a joke about Arthur Chu.