why we are losing in an ironic way.
right wingers give simple answers to simple minded, even the dumbest prol can get it, our message require some level of education and intelligence that is more common among bourgeoisie.
we all know it, lefties are usually upper class while rightwigers are usually hillbillies.
it seems that the only way we can achieve communism is with other enlightened bourgeois while prole seem to be more inclined to fascism.
bullshit
look at richard spencer and the rest of the alt right. all private school rich boys
Speak for yourself, liberal
Come down to south Georgia and I will beat your ass myself
the alt-right is not your typical right winger by any stretch
most are lower class people who have absorbed the mindset that everything in life that's a problem is based on your personal responsibility, and can't get out of that mindset to see that they are being fucked over
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It's because they don't have to defend a radically different economic system that goes along with their ideology.
I've found many leftists read tons of books before picking an ideology.
And I've yet to see rightists read any books before picking an ideology.
Of course this is simply my observations, which may be in the minority.
And my final thing is to point out the fact that many leftists, purely liberals and in the U.S., are blacks from the inter city. And we all know how great the education system is in inter cities.
it's a good thing for Nazis that you shit on the only form of leftism that has a chance to cause something (Nazbol)
I actually think socialism's message isn't that complicated, its just really hard to convince people its a good idea in a country like america, where decades of propaganda and misinformation have given leftists an automatic cognitive hill to climb.
Never change, Holla Forums.
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It's complicated once you get into the various clashing ideologies, which all say "Socialism should be done this way or that way."
So it's hard to explain socialism outside of pure Marxist socialism with consistency. Plus the misconception of what socialism and communism is doesn't help.
Spencer came up with the idea of alt-right, moron
all marxists must be german intellectuals them
Fuck off libtard. Take your enlightened transhumanist bullshit back to reddit where it belongs too.
I think we gotta start with pure marxist socialism, then let everyone else figure it out. We can't jump in with State and Revolution, we gotta start with capital (abridged) and general organization.
And how do you plan to get people to actually read Capital?
Most people discredit Marx and Engels without giving them a single thought. It doesn't seem like many people will be willing to read a "failed" economist.
That is exactly why Zizek calls himself a communist instead of a socialist despite the fact that he is a loony lacanian idealist. Socialism is a term with far too many, often contradictory, definitions. Even if you say that you want working class control over the means of production you will find socialists who claim that socialism cannot exist while classes–and thus the working class–still exist.
kill yourself
Thats the cognitive hill I mentioned before. I think you have to point out capitalism's failures first, then point out the things that marx is very apparently right about, like the things that even liberals admit.
And I remember the ABCs of Communism having a pretty good abridged version of Captial's core message, perhaps that could suit our needs.
Really the basic message of marxism is "the proles make the shit, thusly they should own the fruits of their labor jointly v. accepting a portion of the value in the form of wages"
Obviously thats missing out on a lot of subtext but for propaganda purposes the message has to boil down to something simple like that.
Socialism has historically been popular with the working poor. I'm pretty sure a lot of Holla Forums is students from poor families, I am at least.
This. the basic premises of whatever socialist ideologies are instinctively appealing to people. Fuck corporations, bankers are parasites, you should get paid more and not have to work as much.
Communism has a fairly simple explanation for proles to latch onto. You are piss poor, porky takes your surplus value, porky causes unemployment, kill porky and enjoy the spoils. This line of reasoning doesn't work for western people accustomed to their capitalistic lifestyle. We have reached a point where even the poorest can blast out their dopamine receptors, to the point where you don't have to think about the hardships of life. Where the "middle" class can have a decent life without conflict, they can bury their guilt in wine, "ethical" consumption and good company.
It makes more sense if you go back and compare our situation to the previous fascist regimes and communist revolutions. Look at the material conditions of Germany in the 1930's. While the poorest of Germany were busy trying to get a revolution going, the middle class was helping reactionary forces to gain power. Either the social democrats, the conservatives or the nazis. Even thought the situation was shit in Germany, it didn't change the fact that the largest group of people are still "middle" class. To the "middle" class capitalist apologists, a violent communist uprising sounded less attractive than a semi-peaceful return to traditional values. They could still enjoy their dinner parties and trinkets, all by only surrendering their freedom to a dictator. No need to fight in a revolution. The similarities to today's US and Europe are noticeable. Trump, Le Pen and other rightwingers, claim to return to traditional values and recreating the good old days without the people having to do anything. And this time around, they also claim to be justified in doing so (immigrants and jews corrupted the system). Why would they have to become communists and actually try to make a better society? It is bothersome and time-consuming. We have been told that western liberal capitalistic democracy is the best system, so why would liberals and fascists alike change that? We didn't have as many immigrants a while back, so those seem to be the problem right?
TL;DR: It is easier and more comforting to become rightwing than communist. Conditioning from both liberal governments (Western democracy is great. Capitalism won over communism. It is the best system) which makes believing fascist rhetoric easier (immigrants and communists corrupted our system). While communism calls to destroy our current system completely, which goes against both liberal and fascist thought.
fuck off op
not only are there numerous leftist/union movements among the 'simple minded,' the real reason for the prevalence of right wing politics among 'hillbillies' is not due to a lack of desire on their part for an emancipatory politic, but rather a lack of readily accessible leftist material for those who don't have the time/live in an area where knowledge of economics is relatively inaccessible. the right knows this, and has made quite the successful project out of exploiting this truth. i know this because i live in kansas. the 'conservative fundamentalists' here that everyone makes fun of in actuality are more open to leftist discourse than a smug urban liberal in my experience, because the class struggle is staring these people in the face on a daily basis (just look at how much the farms of middle america have suffered over the past few years). these people are hurting, and imo its disgusting to say that revolution is only accessible via the action of the economically muh privileged. there is AMPLE ground for leftist movements in 'flyover states,' we just need to make economic knowledge more available for the region.
You have to be blind not to see; that under capitalism, shit ain't right.
And when shit ain't right, it don't take no genius to understand shit need to be changed.
Now I understand, that if you've been talking to poor people about trans-humanist robot people and what not, they probably didn't like what you had to say.
But you gotta remember son, during the Russian and Chinese revolution, most of them workers didn't even know how to read. So maybe the problem isn't that they are to dumb, but that they are smart enough to understand that the bourgeoisie left don't give a shit about them or their values.
You have to appeal to the upper middle class
Liberals were right all along
most prole don't see capitalism as bad, they just see "brown people took muh jerbs!"
because of fucking capitalist propoganda
Being able to think for yourself doesn't make you upper class.
Also, alt-right is mostly upper middle class kids with social anxiety and not gf. Also, sometimes, closet homos.
That's actually just the American Dream. It's a spook the US has since people from Europa went there to have "better lives".
mostly because they're dumb
You can kill yourself now or wait for peoples commisair cletus to put one in the back of your skull during the revolution, user.
I think it's best to spread class consciousness in general rather than any specific ideology.
KY gal here. Bless OP's lil heart, they ain't learned nothin yet.
saging even though it's anchored, makin a point
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So boil it down.
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