So right at this moment as you are browsing this website someone knocks on your door. It's comrade from work bureau. He tells you you need to work at farm 50 mile away from your home. You will work with pigs feeding them clean them simply take care of them 10 hours maybe more a day. All of this with less than minimum wage. Will you take one for communism? You can't decline his offer or you go to jail.
Bonus: You will find qt GF at pig farm, Everything is free, no more capitalism
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Hello, Holla Forums
Why would this be the arrangement? It's inefficient. I have no experience and I live too far away. Furthermore, 10 hours a day is too much, work can easily be attributed to, for example, 4 6 hour days a week, there is not enough work to go around for people to need to do 50 hours a week. Comrade I think the work bureau needs some help, I would be happy to work there instead.
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hehehe nice tricks kid
Holla Forums? I see none. This is what you support dont you? Hypocrite much?
Weak bait, Holla Forums.
How is this bait? This is literally what your movement support you retard.
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Eastern Europe, Russia, China. Your arguments?
That's not how "The Great Leap Forward" works comrade :)
Read the sticky, newfag.
The Holla Forumsyp is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a retard, dumbass, illiterate, master baiter, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Holla Forumsyp and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out."
What are you arguments? Reading sticky? What the fuck retard why dont you explain it to me instead of wanting from me reading fanfiction. Fucktard
Arguments please no memes.
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Still no counter argument
Why is feeding pigs and spraying them off taking so much time? Do you feed them spoon by spoon?
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cool i guess?
OP, what the fuck?
Read Marx retard
Not like turd-gargling goofs like you would even pretend to pay attention to an argument anyways, so fuck off and die in a minefield.
You take care of alot of pigs. Also every service is free but luxury items are not.
You mean like whole book right now?
As expected from a guy who has no arguments.
Stop posting lad
I mean I'll do it for the GF but that's some nice state capitalism you got there OP
No
Are you really expecting from me read several books of leftard drivel?
>Everything is free
keep your scenario straight
also
Read marx.
GF is not 100% deal you still have to talk to women on pig farm
Yes.
Reading the sticky would be a quick start.
Can you give me tl;dr
It seems to me that it would be a much better use of manpower to make the trap in that picture a publicly available resource.
Rather then attempt to force someone with no livestock care experience into the function of an farm-hand.
But that is just my Technocratic perspective on this bait.
kek bet your a lolbert or ancap
You will learn things on pig farm that's why you are there for 10 hours with elite pig farmers. Also trap is private property of goverment.
I dont critize it im just saying how it is.
Socialism is the removal of classes. Communism is a society without classes, money or state.
In both the means of production are owned collectively by everyone, because this is what constitutes classes.
YOU PROMISED I'D HAVE A GF. I'M TOO AUTISTIC TO TALK TO WOMEN. FUCK YOU AND YOUR RETARDED THOUGHT GAMES
But you're vompletely wrong which shows you don't understand
apply yourself.
tl;dr read the sticky newfag
No. If you can't be bothered to read a FAQ that takes 1 minute to at least know better what you're shitposting about, then you're a brainlet and should have been aborted. Administer lead to the brain at high velocity, please.
Wage? Kek fucking corruption lover. Why the fuck do i need a wage in a communist society? Food, housing, healthcare, clothing and transportation are provided to me. What the fuck do i need money for? That's only useful in corrupted countries.
Anyway, yes, i would that, or learn how to do it. What's wrong about it? I have applied for farm jobs in the past, but i was rejected due to my lack of experience. I'm not affraid of getting my hands dirty.
But you still have to work 10 hours a day. That's the point of this thread.
Also there will be chads on pig farm so it will decreases your chances to get qt pig farmer GF. But work will make you chad so you will get GF after some time.
Then explain
There;s nothing in sticky that helps your case
And what is your point?
Fuck off with this stalinist bullshit.
Money is for luxury items and services such as internet and computer.
Read the sticky you lazy fuck. Someone has already explained it anyway. God you're autistic
why on earth would a planning committee not decide on using people more locally? It would cost them more to transport and be more of a headache. This is much more likely under capitalism, where people are indeed forced to travel miles for work, sometimes even leaving their homeland in search of it
Why. Because you say so? We don't even have to work for 10 hours now. Why would the work time increase when all the marketeers, brokers and paperpushers stopped doing their meaningless work and we stopped making unneccecary shit that is designed to break?
But that's how it was. Gypsies in Eastern Europe were sent to prison in large becasue they refused to work.
nah, i'll pass.
>marxists.org
Here, this might help counteract the brain damage. Good luck. Alternatively, consider ingesting cyanide.
Because pig farm is 50 miles away from any village or city.
But that's how it was in Eastern Europe.
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That wasnt even socialism.
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You dont need to work 10 hours a day becasue America imports clothes and many items from China where they have to work 14 hours a day. So under communism say bye bye to your free time
Oh? then what are you?
I'll probably wouldn't be able ot reply to everyone in this thread since mod will delete shortly.
fuck off, Holla Forums isn't a single ideology.
Like I said: stalinism. The vast majority of us are opposed to the way the eastern bloc was run.
Well from the last strawpoll, a majority are anarchist socialists, syndicalists, or libertarian socialists.
So you dont belive in communism then?
You already have a whole board to yourself: >>>/marx/
proofs?
I'm eastern european and my anecdotal evidence runs counter to your claims so unless you have some evidence other than your enlightened western liberalism you can fuck off.
Communism=/=like they did stuff in the USR lol XD
But how will your enforce your rules?
READ, NIGGER
Pick two at most.
Proofs im from Slovakia.
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No time to read mod will delete thread as soon as he gets here.
This isn't Holla Forums or /r/the_donald. We don't ban posters for disagreeing here. We even have resident nazis and lolbergs.
From which Easter country are you from?
Really? This is from my last thread weeks ago
Or leftcoms of some kind or another.
Direct rule through worker's councils and an armed populace.
This isn't Holla Forums so you don't have to worry. We respect free speech here. We just won't take you seriously until you make a proper argument and make an effort :^)
Poland
when will you make an effort OP?
How will you punish them if they refuse to work?
so much for the tolerant left
I hope they ban you again, retard.
Because your post is a strawman ("That is what you want.") and isn't an argument.
WOW SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT
Thanks hotwheels
If that would be true, you'd know you are full of shit. Get out of high scholl ty skurvený klamársky kokot
Looks like you got banned for being an autistic faggot. There are plenty of non-leftists that post here without being insufferable cunts, and as a result don't get banned.
Ako klamem? Opitaj sa tvojho otca ci matky.
Our resident nazis and lolbergs are at least capable of reading stuff as well as being able to engage in mostly civil discussion. OP of this thread is obviously a newcomer from Holla Forums who does not know how things work here. If OP would do themselves a kindness and read some of the things being suggested to them, they would not embarrass themselves like they have with this entire thread.
Polite sage.
smh
So do y'think they come and make shitpost threads like this so that when people call them a retard, they can think to themselves, "SEE I WAS RIGHT THAT REALLY IS WHAT THEY'RE LIKE"
sort of like convincing yourself a girl was asking for it after slipping her the date rape drugs?
Ah yes, Holla Forums. VERY impressive.
Yes exactly. You say i made shitpost thread but all of you responded with "LOL READ A BOOK LOL xD OMG SO STUPID READ STICKY AND DA BOOKZ LEEEL" Fuck off
Your question is retarded, and demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what most communists want.
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But what if there will be causes where certain group of people refuse to work? Like gypsies?
Tolerant left was never tolerant. Fuck off
>This is how Holla Forums actually operates
More at 11
Sage because go walk through a minefield
can leftypol come up with an original meme for once instead of copying everyone else
Not everyone has to start with Capital.
There's a lot of misinformation about what we believe. We don't suggest reading material to "convert" you to our side, but to give you an understanding of our views so that we can have productive arguments.
why are you so intent on asserting being correct and not on bettering yourself and learning something OP?
All arguments were read a book xD. No arguments there were few pics but yet nothing or there was but i was too bussy to respond to someone else
Then give me arguments in this thread.
Even reading a Wikipedia page about our views would be helpful. Otherwise you'll have to lurk more.
You're desperate to believe this aren't you.
We can't make an argument when you haven't made an argument yourself OP. You've made no attempt at an argument yet expect us to form an argument in opposition?
Becasue i dont want to work 10 hours a day
We literally have the sticky because retards like you come in here every day asking the same questions.
R E A D
If that actually becomes a problem I imagine them rest of the population will do something to deal with the issue, such as implement rationing for work done (eg. labour vouchers).
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If you know sticky so perfectly and have read so much books im certain you will post your arguments in this thread instead of saying read a book lol. I can say the same read a book about nazism or capitalism. What the fuck
READ A BOOK LOL xDDDDDDDD
HOW ABOUT YOU FUCKING POST ARGUMENTS FROM THOSE BOOKS YOU HAVE READ YOU FUCKING RETARDS INSTEAD OF SAYING THE SAME FUCKING THING ALL OVER AGAIN
FUCK
OFF
Reading Marx writings about economics is like a sales rep talking about computers. Other than the basic spec numbers, its BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD
Name a book we should read.
what lol
Fucker. You come here, post bullshit accusations and a scenario that doesnt even come close to what we believe. Do you expect us to spoonfeed you a political ideology from 0 to a level where you can talk about it in one or two posts?
We don't have to educate you, we litterally cannot explain the entirety of a political movement that has existed over centuries and has many many branches, especially if you just shut your ears and say "no this is what you believe lol". We told you to read the FAQ, which is relatively short. Otherwise, if you want to understand the intricacies and ideologies of the people who post here, you will have to spend a good amount of time reading about the history of these movements, their ideas and the present day movements. But you refuse to even read the FAQ, so the other two options are to either fuck off or drink a bottle of bleach.
Protocols of Zion is good start
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>You will never be this mad over a thread you started yourself
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Read a book :^)
Noone respects you or this thread enough. Dont be a shitposting 12 year old next time or im getting the raid
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You should definitely read the sticky, if that's the only thing you ever read. Otherwise the red infographic is a good starter on where Holla Forums stands with respect to liberals and the Right. See the other images.
communists want to work only like, 4 hours a day, 4 days a week. communists want to eliminate entire industries of wasted labor like insurance, advertising, marketing, finance, consultancy etc.
there are more laborers *now* than there are jobs to actually do which is why we've seen the rise of stupid fucking luxury industries and fake media jobs like buzzfeed twitter manager. add automation in to the mix and the demand for efficiently shared, evenly distributed labor in the united states will be probably 20 hours a week tops
Plenty of people in capitalist society have to work 10 hours a day, I used to all the time at my old job and my sister routinely works anything up to 12 hours. If you don't want to have to work such ridiculous hours under shit conditions maybe you should actually consider seizing the means of production and abolishing capitalism. After all, why would we make ourselves work retarded hours if we were actually in control of industry ourselves?
My god, that's some elementary-school tier mistake you fucking hungarian spy! Shit is much worse than under previous regime. You should really read a book, it helps.
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Mean to respond to
Learn to read.
Read a book.
Knihy su v anglictine nebudem citat slovensku verziu ani keby ze ma ma jebnut a este taku picovinu jezis maria
nah
I can say the same about marxism
I don't know anything about how any industry can be run efficiently. Am I useless to communism or do we just assume someone will figure it out?
You can't because you didn't read the book :^)
Most likely.
I have not but im pretty sure you have not read Protocols of Zion too.
Choď do piče fajčiť kotlebovy kokot
I read the debunking of it, which book did you read to debunk Marx?
No
Bullshit. If you do a job, you have at least one idea about how to do something more efficient. You can make your task more efficient. And your coworkers make their tasks more efficient. Everybody makes their task more efficient and smart people make other peoples tasks more efficient and management types make interaction and communication more efficient.
This may sound a bit coubaja but it works.
Real life
Not an argument.
Explain how it did debunk marx.
Hard mode: "It just does" or "human nature" are not arguments on their own.
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Postihnuty idiot toto nie je anarchisticke forum ved mas sticky o karlovy marxovy do matky pice. Kde byvas blbec nech da dojdem navstivit.
Communism fell
At least, read a couple of fucking Wikipedia pages.
How old were you when that happened? Nightmare mode: Admit you're 14
Shit, Holla Forums starts to become as retarded as Holla Forums
Why does it matter?
Because you need to go back to r/the_donald.
This is literally what a strawman argument is.
The reason why everyone ITT is telling you to read a book is because you don't have even the most rudimentary understanding of what communism is and isn't, and there's a megathread at the top of the front page dedicated to addressing this issue. If you have specific questions, feel free to ask. Otherwise just go back to Holla Forums.
There were numerous merchant republics that fell during the middle ages. Isn't that enough to show you capitalism doesn't work?
Great argument
Shocker, huh?
OP, at least read this post (and the sticky too) :
Never said anything communist countries were doing worse than non communist ones. I was just saying it fell.
Trying to respond to all of you who are replying to me. Too hard since there is so much.
Empires and countries break up all the time. What's your point? We could talk in detail on why the USSR fell, it surely has nothing to do with your retarded pig farm strawman
No a čo je kurva na Marxovi a jeho princípoch o tom, že má každý pracovať tak zlé?
A toto je silno ľavičiarske fórum, každá ľavičiarska ideológia hľadá spôsob ako nastoliť anachiu ty negramotný buzerant.
Ojoj, silny za klavesnicou. Neboj, nebudem biť deti.
Then what is communism? I understand it as following: No class, people have power, people work for their country. I am wrong?
en.m.wikipedia.org
You could at least read Wikipedia
Is the assumption that these upper echelon types will naturally rise to lead their less capable peers? Why would they do that if everyone will get the same benefits no matter how hard they work?
Pracovat nie je zle ale som zvedavy ci vseci co su tu na to pripraveny.
LOOOOOOOOL proste lol. Proste LOL
Som si docela isty ze by si mi dal adresu keby ze niesi posraty za usami a este sa vsadim ze byvas v Bratislave. Tam som videl tie nalepky refugges welcome.
Alright fam I'll let you in on a secret on how to actually get good responses. Go to the FAQ or if you're actually desperate start a new thread. Ask specific questions or ask Holla Forums to defend communism in general. Provide responses that aren't just memes and literal autistic screeching . Repeat ad nausem until you have a solid understanding of communism and can argue against it. Don't just run in straw-manning and be surprised when people treat you like a retard
Just because you are ignorant with regards to this matter doesn't mean everyone else is. We would form organisations to administer production and these organisations would would be subject to popular control, they would allocate resources according to the demands of the public.
No, not everyone needs to know how to organise production in order to be "useful" in a communist society and you don't need to understand exactly how production is being administered to participate in collective decision making regarding what is produced and under what conditions. You can still vote on broad issues while leaving the intricate details of such matters to experts. For example, just because you don't know how cars are produced doesn't mean you can't have a say in the type and number of cars produced.
Strawman.
Read a book, nigger.
not an argument
Málokto tu je pre imigrantov. Dokonca aj skurvená KSS (ktorou dosť opovrhujem) je PROTI IMIGRANTOM.
PRESTAŇ ŽRAŤ AMERICKÚ PROPAGANDU, sústreď sa na to, čo je najlepšie pre bežných Slovákov ako ja a ty.
Doesn't compute tovarish
The Leninist dream didn't work out well, yes. In the end, the workers never owned the means of production and exerted a democratic control over them. It only degenerated into state-capitalism (since the state was very often the sole shareholder of the industry in the Soviet Bloc) with an authoritarian rule.
This is why you shouldn't listen to the posters with a tankie flag.
They is more than Marxism-Leninism to socialism though. I'm personally more attracted to libertarian socialist ideas. Read en.wikipedia.org
A co je pre nas vlastne najlepsie? Vies to? Slovaci potrebuju silneho vodcu a nie Demokraciu ci njaku liberalnu stranu aby vladla. Vidis kolko korupcie u nas je. Vidis ze Slovaci budu zenuzivat vsetko dokial tu nebude absolutny poriadok. Ludia si neveria a zacinaju si podrazat nohy.
A ano vseci su proti migrantom to nehovorim aj cigani len som povedal ze Bratislava vsava Americku kulturu rychlejsie ako ine mesta.
But if someone is contributing to the decision making on something they don't fully understand couldn't they go for an absolutely stupid and ridiculous decision? Or are you saying that low skilled, low knowledge workers would be given silly unimportant decisions to make so they feel like "part of the team"? What would the society of high class decision makers look like?
I don't understand the block of text. So it is saying to measure by the amount of labor one is capable of? I don't understand how a person who is capable of much is treated differently however. It feels like this passage was put through google translate. What if a person if capable of a lot but only wants to do the work of a low skill worker?
Might is right. If this isn't redpill enough for you then i dont know anything is. There will be always people who strive to be on TOP at any given century. Tribalism works becasue people are like this since dawn. I can read marx or any leftist author but none of them will be sucesful ideology.
CHU-JO-VI-NA
Silný vodca nás vráti do tvrdej totality. Kotleba nás zas zjednotí v podobe ešte poslušnejšej kurvičky pre svojich nemeckých a ruských pánov. On nemá tušenie čo je to socializmus, jediné čo chce je fašizmus. Nechcem žiť v režime kde za mňou príde týpek a povie mi presne to, čo je napísané v OP.
S týmto súhlasím. No nehodlám odísť fajčiť kokot fašistom len preto, že viem že je tento režim na piču.
Jedine anarchia - beztriedna spoločnosť nás môže zachrániť. Slováci majú silný potenciál, ak by sa pracujúci ľudia zjednotili mohli by sme vytvoriť neuveriteľne rozvinutý štát.
To isto hej. No čuduješ sa, veď to je jediné mesto na Slovensku s európskym štandardom života. Je mi z toho zle. A bojím sa že ak čoskoro nepostavíme všetkých politikov vedľa seba pred múr tak bude veľmi zle.
>marxists.org
Renumeration is based on the labour done, which is unequal for every worker. Some can mine more copper, some less. They are paid differently, according to what the labour done.
Whether you are more intellectually capable than the other worker is irrelevant, you are paid according to labour done.
Kdo povedal ze kotleba je fasista? Nesuhlasim s nim len o tom ze musime odsupit ze EU. EU je pre nas zatial dobra aj ked diktuju hluposti tak ich nemusime pocuvat. Aby som pravdu povedal tiez kotlebu nemusim moc ale nikdo iny lepsi nebol.
Lenze toto nebude fungovat musis pochopit ze ludia vzdy budu chcet byt specialny a na vrchole retazca. Neobhajujem ani fazismus ani nacizmus.
Communism hasn't fallen. The USSR, China, Cuba or the other places have never had a communist mode of production.
Try again.
The rewards of leadership are much more than monetary reward. Things like respect, validation, admiration and many others. Why wouldn't you want to lead your lesser capable peers? Why wouldn't you want to help those around you achieve more than they could on their own? Why don't you want to guide and be sought for guidance by your peers? The act of leadership, protecting those who need protecting and empowering your peers to do more than the sum of their parts is reward enough in itself.
Adding to the last one:
If your answer is "because I dont get more money" then we should be glad people like you don't become leaders. The best leaders in history, agreed upon by all people, are those who are altruistic, who serve their people, who lead for the betterment of the people, not for their own good.
I'm not saying we'll put people in charge of matters they aren't capable of handling, I'm saying broad decisions will be handled democratically. Under such conditions idiots tend to be cancelled out by competent people. In fact when it come to general decision making (as opposed to narrow technical matters), groups consisting of random tend to make better decisions than experts.
Este chcem dodat ze diktator je niekedy potreby a diktatorsvto nemusi utlacovat ludi svojej krajiny aby fungovalo. viz. Gaddafi
Not entirely. But it's important to understand what those terms mean.
Within a Marxist context, class is defined by relationship to the means of production– whether you make your living from owning the factory or working for someone who does. No class in this case means everyone owns society's productive forces and enjoys the full value of their labor.
Yes. As opposed to a subsection of the people with the highest passive income.
Without class or capital there's no easy way to pinpoint who benefits the most from production. There shouldn't be a distinction between working to benefit oneself and working to benefit everyone.
If I live next to Joe and I know he watches anime and shitposts all day long instead of helping me or the community, why would I willingly give him things that he needs? But if Joe has a reputation for being very productive and contributing more than his fair share of work, I'd want to give him lots of nice things so he keeps it up.
The "everyone gets paid exactly the same amount of money" thing doesn't work when capital itself has been abolished.
Should be: groups consisting of random people
To be fair, neither do Communists.
Hierarchy, Centralization, Rank, Technocratic Leadership and Automation are the keys to running industry efficiently.
Communists are simply content to led the dregs manage their own workplace.
Silno centristická politika, podporovanie nenávisti voči robotníkom inej farby pleti a sľuby že totalitným spôsobom to vyriešime - to znie ako recept na zvolenie fašizmu.
hej, je dobra lebo pracujuci ludia ktorý na Slovensku sotva prežívajú môžu brať benefity zo západných režimov kde vďaka tlaku socialistických krajín vytvorili nádherný kapitalizmus s ľudskou tvárou. Ale hej, my niesme anglicko, ak by sme odišli my mohli by nás zrujnovať omnoho viac ako ich (ak im teda dovolí EU odísť)
pozri si youtube.com
To je pravda, ale veľká moc sa dá ľahko zneužiť. Lenin na to vypracoval celkom dobrú prácu (Aj keď sa netvárim že to v CCCP/ČSSR tak vyzeralo, dobre že to padlo.)
Ok so I understand now that people "get more thing" (I said benefits before but I still get accused of using the word "capital" or "money"? I'm not op) based on how much work they do. And I assume management or intellectual organizing work is rated higher? Wouldn't these people make their own class?
I think the idea that people will be inspire by an inner altruism and rise to the call of duty sounds naive imo. But I don't know if it's possible to argue what is and is not naive.
What do people do if they don't like the leadership of someone though? Even if that leader is just and capable? This happened in Animal Farm right?
Who?
This sounds like nonsense honestly. Like you're saying "this natural common sense way of seeing the world is the end all be all". Is there any proof of this?
Ok I have no idea what a technocrat is sorry. Looking it up it sounds real modern and slick though.
In socialism people are not paid with money, but with labour vouchers who stand for labour performed, which are destroyed upon use.
Whether some jobs are paid more than others is not something that can be easily determined. Intellectual labour is hard, if not impossible to quantify in terms of labour done, and arguably produces no value directly.
No, socialism is classless, and we don't define class based on income, but on relation to capital.
Homogena spolocnost je riesenim. Ludia si veria viacej medzi sebou. Ludia preferuju svoju rasu na inou. Toto je aj vidiet na velice tvrdej segragacii v Amerike.
V Amerike s tej minmilanej mzdy sa vizit da nie ako tu.
Moc rad by som ju pocul kedze zidia maju docela zaujimave nazori na vladnutie krajiny.
Preto je dobre ked vladne viacero ludi. Pre slovensko staci 20-30 ludi z absolutnou mocou a je po problemoch.
You obtain goods and services with labour vouchers? And you destroy them after use so they don't make markets happen? So they're like temporary money?
Noooooo I'm saying that these people who are above their peers because of their ability and contributions will naturally form their own class or caste hierarchy. I mean they'll feel so good about themselves and like they're above these fools who only get so many vouchers, yeah?
Class is nothing to do with income or role. Its a question of relations of production. Managers or intellectuals don't make up their own class, they are also workers and work for wages under capitalism. They don't own capital.
Leadership can yield higher rewards. Workplace democracy means that elected managerial positions can have perks.
Moreover its not a case of altruism. What the other user mentioned was self-interested desire for admiration and respect.
All 'leaders' are elected and subject to immediate recall.
Orwell was a communist btw and Animal Farm was a commentary on soviet politics degenerating into state capitalism, not a condemnation of communism
Being an asshole doesnt mean youre in a different class.
What makes you think they would especially if there is no superstructure to foment this to occur? They may feel like they are special, but they will be politically equal to others.
I've read several studies on the matter, unfortunately the only ones I can find at the moment are stuck behind a paywall. I'm gonna take a look around and see if I can find anything that is free access (or see if I can pirate something).
Don't forget about library genesis it might help you get at those paywalled studies.
10 hours? no thanks
but you will get gf.
Toto potrebujem vysvetliť. Čo znamená "homogénna spoločnosť"? Je Slovensko "homogénne"?
Bratú, dávaj pozor, s takouto gramatikou by som ťa v dobre fungujúcom nárdonom socializme mohol označiť za maďarského špióna. A neviem, amerika má dosť na piču sociálne systémy, neviem si predsaviť že by
sa mi tam za ich 7 dolárov na hodinu žilo o moc lepšie ako tu.
z teba tá americká propaganda len-tak srší. Išlo viac-menej o to, že jeden človek by nemal mať absolútnu moc, ale vládnuť by mal parlament. Ak chceš vedieť viac, prečítaj jeho knihu.
Ak ti vadia židia ktorý vládnu krajinám s absolútnou mocou, prečo by ich nahradenie Slovákmi malo pomôcť? Náš parlament je plný Slovákov a aj tak ide táto krajina do piče.
Problém je kapitalizmus - fakt že buržoázna vrstva využíva štátny aparátus na vynucovanie súkromného vlastníctva na vykorisťovanie Slovákov. Čím skôr si to pracujúci ľudia uvedomia, tým skôr môže terror komunizmu začať - terror pracujúcich ľudí voči parazitom spoločnosti- či už je to žid, cigán, slovák alebo žena.
Well I think I realize what I'm really asking then. I'm asking what the safeguards against abuse of power, chaos, and/or rabble rousers are in this system.
I probably just sound like I'm covering my ass but I knew that from reading it.
Well now you're acting like the bourgeoisie or whatever were always there since the day god created us (being sarcastic here) and didn't naturally come about. Maybe they organize and work with the military? You'd have a military right?
Don't worry if you can't find it. I'll just have it in my head as the socialist version of "free market god". Not to say you're objectively wrong or anything.
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I'm not exactly sure what you meant by this. Most probably there would be, you can't let your guard down if socialism has not been achieved all over the world.
If you have dregs in the first place, you've already failed as a society. And owning industry ≠ managing industry. This applies in most cases even now.
Imagine if Marx referred to capitalism as "the price system," replaced the labor theory of value with biophysical economics, and was glorious STEMfag master race.
Now you can advocate for abolishing capital and class without having to deal with the stigma around being a communist.
Unless you're the Howard tripfag. In that case you advocate for an autocratic state that raises children in complete isolation and gives teenagers 10-hour work days run by an immortal machine god powered by distilled autism.
If a job is genuinely more demanding in terms of time and effort and required skill compared to most other jobs, I'd say yes.
Having more nice things than another person doesn't automatically put you in a different class.
accumulation of capital isn't feasible which means you can't have power over others by restricting their access to resources. Everyone is armed and society is organised around a confederal order of soviet democracy and syndicalism forming the basis for politics. This prevents professional politicians emerging and includes a healthy mix of direct democracy and delegation.
The bourgeois class emerged from the material conditions of feudal society and the class conflict caused by the contradictions of the feudal system such as increasing urbanisation, the development of agricultural methods, large-scale trade and of industry. Under socialism/communism such material conditions do not exist thus the emergence of a bourgeois class is impossible.
This is why a dictatorship of the proletariat (a state of affairs in which the state is seized by the workers to advance their interests) forms in the event of a revolution to pursue the destruction of the bourgeois class and other bourgeois states.
Under socialism a military in the sense of a standing army is unnecessary but combat training and a universally armed population would likely maintain a popular militia.
Slovensko nie je. Je tu viacej ako 500 000 romov. Homogeny = jednoliaty, jednotný zo slovnika.
Kamos bol v Amerike a hovoril ze Elektroniku maju lacenjsiu ale jedlo je drahsie. Take neviem.
Hovor si co chces ale Zidia ovladaju svet.
Nikdy som nehovoril ze mi Zidia vadia. Len hovorim ze inteligencia je hlavny nastroj na vladnutie krajiny a zidia maju inteligencie viacej nez dost. Povedzme si dalsiu pravdu Slovaci ktori maju za usami idu radsej do rakuska alebo do zapadnej europy ako by mali zostat tu. To sa vola tzv Brain Drain.
Nikdy som nehovoril ze mi vadia cigani ci zeny. Len hovorim ze zeny by nemali vladnut a cigani by mali dostat svoju vlastnu krajinu v ktorej mozu byt. Preto obhajujem kotlebu ale zaroven ho nemusim. A zadalsie zeny by nemali volit.
Zda sa mi ze nediskutujeme o tom istom. Len teraz som vysvetlil v co verim nemusis somnou suhlasit.
Oh so you disagree with that other technocrat flag guy? You guys need to get some new flags maybe.
I don't really understand the STEM memes. IRL STEM majors I know do it for the money and it ends there and they're usually blandly liberal or conservative after that. On the internet they always seem to be really snobbish.
Well in the end it still sounds like a fairy tail that everyone will forever work together and for common interests and no one will try and take advantage of people and rabble rouse but I guess political theory always ends with "assuming it works out"?
So has this ever happened successfully before?
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Dregs make up the majority of any society.
That is why democracy does not work, empowering such people invariably ends in disaster.
You're an idiot.
Please read the study course before presuming to understand anything about Technocracy.
The term 'price system' is not just some obfuscated term for capitalism.
It refers to any system that relies upon scarcity value, capitalism simply happens to be included in that.
While I do not happen to have the direct quote on hand.
Howard Scott repeatedly criticized the USSR and Communism in general for simply replacing/aiming-to-replace one form of price system for another.
Only until they are past the point of forming bonds with human parental figures.
Please do feel free to actually attempt to construct an argument against that, rather then provide empty moralizing and ad hominem attacks on my character.
Literally nothing wrong with this.
He does not even understand what Technocracy is.
Just ignore him.
A okrem toho asi 13 národností. Je rusín taký istý Slovák ako moravák? Na toto mi prosím odpovedz.
Možno, preto ich komunisti zabili viac ako kto koľvek iný? Ak chceš zničiť vládu žida, musíš mu zobrať nástroj, ktorým ovláda svet, nie nahradiť ho židom ktorý pochádza z rovnakej dediny ako ty.
áno, to som spomenul tu .Smutna realita.
To ani ja. Ja som povedal ze som komunista, ja nemam rad parazitov pracujucich ludi bez ohladu na ich rasu, nabozenstvo ci pohlavie.
Myslíš že politici vládnu penisomok, Boris je mozno vynimka? Správny slovák by nemal mať nevedecké názory len preto, že to jeho citom nevyhovuje.
To ma neodradzuje od toho, povedat ti kedy rozpravas chujoviny. Holla Forums je expert na vynimanie mozgov, castokrat pravdive informacie dokaze prekrutit do veelmi divnej formy, na vsetko co citas na chanoch sa treba pozerat kriticky, nie ako nemysliaci konzument.
I can't find the direct studies, but i did find a couple of articles on the matter, they'll have to do for now because it's fucking late and i need to sleep. I'll continue searching tomorrow.
scientificamerican.com
The Dunning–Kruger effect is strong with this one. Considering how ignorant you've proven yourself throughout this thread you should probably try being less smug.
What does rabble-rousing even mean to you?
Its not about working for some 'common interest'. Our intent is precisely to achieve an organisation of society where people pursue their self-interest and are free to do so.
also don't listen to the techonocracy tripfag. They advocate a totalitarian dystopia in which human liberty is sacrificed at the altar of mythical 'progress' which is pursued for its own sake in the most cancerous way.
Soviet democracy was pretty healthy in the USSR until WW2 and syndicalism worked well in Catalonia.
Don't see what's so bad about that image. Everyone knows hard work sucks.
Tu uz ide o vzhlad. Problem je v tom ze Cigani vyzeraju inako ako Slovanske narody. Preto tu vzdy medzy nami bude nedovera.
Nie je mozne znicit zidov oni su vyvoleni narod bohom. A to hovorim bez ironie. Oni maju njaku velmi mocnu bytost na ich strane. Boli vyhnany odvsadial ale aje presto vladnu svetu. Boli zabiajny vo velkom mnozstve ale aj tak prezili. Nie je mozne ich porazit len sa k nim pridat.
Bohuzial cigani su paraziti. Ked ich tu bude viacej ako nas tak uvidis ako nam vsetko vratia. Budu nami pohrdat, bit nas, vykoristovat. Toto je realita.
Zeny bi nemali volit pretoze sa moze stat ze manzel bude mat iny nazor ako manzelka, priatel priatelka, a mozu sa rozhadat do takej miery ze sa rozidu. A vsetci vieme ze rodina jednotka je to najdolezitejsie na udrzanie zdravej krajiny. A to este nohovorim o tom ze zeny su hlupe ako fosne.
V tomo mas absolutnu pravdu. Neraz sa mi stalo ze som dostal panicky strach z toho co som cital na Holla Forums. Ja uz tam dalej nemozem chodit mne to len skodi.
This tbh.
The glorification of hard work is an incredibly reactionary tendency, so much so that it contravenes all human history's tendency to try and eliminate work and make things easier.
These faggots are arch-anprims and would autistically screech at you for making tools.
Yeah alright I'll bookmark and read them later. Promise.
Very rude. I was just implying that it's part of your ideology whether it has backing or not and that I accept that as your viewpoint. Again I'm not the op who was retardposting for the first half of this thread. I just figured this was the leftynoob shitposting thread where I could ask questions.
A person who gets common people up in arms for some purpose? A trouble maker? I guess whatever leaders kick off the socialist revolution would be rabble-rousers right? Same as the people who would, in a socialist society, whip people up into tearing it down?
Is there a specific name for this or is this just Marx theory in general?
I think I figured that out when one of them said "glorious STEMfag" or whatever. They seem like something from scifi imo.
Is there any good place where I can learn about these examples? I have american-tier knowledge of history.
Hell yeah comrade!
Fucking faggot intellectuals are always trying to squirm out of any physical labour. Get workin' or get dyin'
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Socialist revolutions only happen because workers realise their self-interest in taking control of society and have little to lose, thus they rise up. People don't just do things due to some natural tendency. Behaviour has causes. Under socialism there is no reason for people to want to change the social system, their needs are met and they are free to contribute to society and develop themselves as people.
If there were ex-capitalists after the revolution who wanted to return to their extravagant lifestyles and tried to find like minded people to try and form capitalist enclaves, assuming they hadn't learned their lesson during the revolutionary terror, they would likely be free to do so. But when workers own their workplaces its hard to imagine any reason they would give this up to be working under some wannabe capitalist anymore than you would see workers under capitalism want to res-establish feudalism. If they want to seize the means of production for themselves by force and establish themselves as capitalists they would be resisted much in the same way that under capitalism we wouldn't allow some madman wanting to be a king to take over and establish feudalism.
This is broadly Marxism along the lines of Marx's principle "the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all" but while interpretations vary this idea of socialism/communism is shared by marxists and anarchists.
For understanding syndicalism and its implementation in Spain I recommend Leval and Dolgoff. The best book on it in my experience is Frank Mintz's 'Anarchism and worker self-management in revolutionary spain' but I can find a pdf of it.
I'd also recommend 'The Soul of Man under Socialism' by Oscar Wilde as more general reading about socialism and liberty.
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I know they're not equivalent. But the labor theory of value doesn't rely on scarcity value the same way supply-and-demand does, so the metaphor still kinda works. And you have to admit that a technate would necessarily abolish what Marx defined as capital and class, something communists also aim to do.
Of course, because state capitalism is still capitalism and thus still employs the price system. But had they managed to build an economy in which the law of value didn't apply, they wouldn't be using a price system.
Let's start with a study on parental relationship quality and child outcomes across a wide range of socioeconomic and ethnic groups.
childtrends.org
Turns out having good parental figures helps the child with "behavior problems (externalizing), child social competence, child school engagement, child internalizing (depression)" among other things.
Or take a look some of the conclusions in this World Health Organization publication.
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Golly, it's almost as if social animals don't function very well when they go through their formative years with zero social interaction.
The only skewed part was about your robot overlord being powered by distilled autism. Everything else was straight from a giant post you made like last week.
How is replacing religion with even more convoluted, idealist bullshit in any way a good thing?
No.
I guess I see what you mean, but you can definitely find STEM majors who are genuinely passionate about what they study and get excited whenever they talk about it.
I think these two go hand-in-hand. The especially snobbish ones won't pick up a book on politics or philosophy before they stop associating it with 🍀🍀🍀liberal arts.🍀🍀🍀
I think every STEMfag has looked down on non-STEM majors at some point or another tbh. But being blatant about it or even belittling people who don't study STEM seems to me like an excuse to avoid the work required to be an intellectually well-rounded person. Based Badiou for example was the chair of philosophy at a very prestigious French university, but a huge chunk of his most influential work is dedicated to using set theory to illustrate his thoughts on totality and historical events, and I think some points about the role of working class in civil society that Marx brought up. My point is it's possible to git gud at both.
You all belong in the gulag.
it's crazy that this how some people actually argue irl
It doesn't sound like the pigs are free. I go and set them free.
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