since americans are (unfortunately) spooked about communism, & anarcho-syndicalism would set the foundation of anarcho communism anyways, why not just advocate for anarcho-syndicalism in america?
just seems like much harder to convince americans to give communism a try, instead of anarcho-syndicalism which may appeal to their affinity to unions.
What? Every yankblob I've spoken to, except for outright socialists, has said some variant of "UNIONS R OUT 2 GET US". Usually "LOOK ELON MUSK SAYS UNIONS WANT TO INFILTRATE SPACEX!"
Why not national-syndicalism instead?
Anarcho-anything only appeals to edgy teenagers.
Whut?
Even liberals hate unions… they think they are irrelevant and I've even had them complain to me about paying dues. Also, no one here outside of the left is interested in class.
America used to have strong pro-union tendencies. My hope is there is a means to revitalize this sentiment. BernieBots have strong pro-labor/pro-union feelings.
For sure, its a shame. I wonder if there is a way to burn down the old unions and replace them with a type of Soviet or workers council with revolutionary potential, not the bullshit we have today
Unions are objectively terrible. If you've never had to deal with a union you wouldnt understand, though I'm assuming neither of you have had jobs either.
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I've found people a lot more respective to anarchism myself, just explain the existence of Rojava and Revolutionary Catalonia, and you have em'.
Then I guess you'd prefer to work 14 hours a day, six days a week, and bring home $10 at the end of it?
with a little patience user, we're getting there, especially if you're in the service sector.
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Lol why is this the go to insult for every retard liberal?
Yeah fuck em :^)
Ironically I became a commie, after I got employed. This only work for liberals, which we aren't.
Because a majority of libruls are slacktivists. Fucking piece of shits upvoting and retweeting memes like #Kony2012. Remember that one? He's still at large, btw.
I used to be one, but after I got employed the working conditions were plain horrible. If you dare to make suggestions, they start calling you a commie. Even the liberal pieces of shits, who are what sadly remains of leftism in the USA by the merit of being the leftern-most group on the spectrum, which didn't got mccarthyed.
Since this was my go to insult, I started looking them up some more and found myself agreeing myself with them way more than I dared to admit it to myself back then.
Same here. Funny how that works.
You think most people are going to listen to that? Listen, we need to get deepcover anarchists (mutualists, I suppose) who call themselves libertarians to start accusing Rand Paul and Paul Ryan of not being liberal because they don't support employee ownership of firms (why not?) and bug them with calls for face-to-face "Jeffersonian ward democracy". Make that the popular litmus test of a "real libertarian". Fund the entire thing through cooperatives and grassroots-democratic left-wing "libertarian" think tanks, two institutions which bolster each other (cooperatives fund outreaches, think tanks keep the whole thing left-wing). I'd rather have unions as vehicles of maintaining ideological hegemony, but they're a third rail in American politics at the moment.
Wait for the cybernetic calculator to be finished (it'll be an easy sell to the lolberts who are obsessed with Silicon Valley-style tech progress), and we'll have a contingent of people open to our ideas to suddenly make the transition to advocated fully automated luxury anarcho-communism. They'll still say they hate communism and anarchism and welfare because they associate them with liberals and dead Ukrainians, but that doesn't matter. The real movement to abolish the present state of things does not require a name, only that it materially is.
Just keep quiet about everything which a left-liberal might be seen as supporting by the current far right (yes, they actually want to cut welfare because they hate "hicks", for example but that doesn't matter to the right), and we'll be fine.
To be fair though, most American unions are shit.
They either run entirely on the "fuck you, I got mine" principle, or exist to line the pockets of the union execs.
You can call them classcucked if you want to, but most workers figured out that the unions aren't there to fight for them a long time ago.
The way unions are organized here more or less makes them susceptible to either being rendered toothless or being taken over by unscrupulous hangers-on looking to either skim as much money as they can, or parley their position into some sort of political office, or both.
Some of the biggest unions here are run by actual gangsters.
Socialism isn't going to get any more attractive to ordinary people as long as liberals run the education system, especially when it's run for profit.
Same with unions.
The laws regarding them are set up to either render them useless pawns of businesses, or criminal enterprises that are another arm of the political establishment.
Ending their discriminatory membership policies would be a good start, but I think most unions should be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up and the parasites running them should be barred from leadership.
I don't like the hierarchical nature of unions. You just end up with unions becoming their own bullshit corporate entity that exploits the workers to make profit from other porkies.
we need horizontal unions.
To unionize you don't need to have the help of preexisting unions or call yourself a union. If you have a job just get your coworkers together, find what out what you want, then collectively go to the boss and say what you want; don't mention anything about unions or Socialism, just speak in the real and practical terms of "they need us, and we have power over them, let's exercise this power and get what we want". If you don't have a job, get a friend of yours to unionize his workplace. Unions don't have to be complicated or bureaucratic, they're just the workers exercising their collective power. If you're successful at unionizing, then start talking to your coworkers about politics. Maybe also join or create a local IWW branch while you're at it.
why not something like de-leonism? weld a synicalist union to a party structure
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