Reeeeeeeeexamining sexual liberation

That's the issue with people who decry sexual liberation. If they're not strict traditionalists, they're only bemoaning the fact that THEY aren't benefiting from it.

Tough shit, you aren't entitled to a 10. At least the people who "settle" for 3s are realistic about their own value.

Virginity should not be seen as negative trait, rather it should be ignored.
This bourgeois cultural hegemony along cultural norms that have been influencing western culture since 60`s are full of fun.

Sex is not commodity, nor thing that you should have with strangers or people who you barely know.
Sex is thing that should be ideally reserved between lovers, to strenghten their relationship, an intimacy shared by only them. Also, all research indicates that sex does help in emotional bonding with person you´re having it with.

All of you sick fucks who still support this cesspool culture of "sexual liberation" set forward in this capitalist society to make it commodity and norm make me sick.

Our modern culture in this regard is destructive both for mind and spirit of my fellow men out there.

This culture that is fed to masses by capitalist class via mass media and mainstream culture is destroying our views on sex and society.

There should be no reason to tolerate this degenerated culture and not to strike against it via counter culture.

it's a bodily function like shitting or pissing
stop putting it on a pedestal you fucking wimp

this

although I think we should just ditch the term "counter culture" altogether. it's basically been tainted and associated with SJWs completely at this point

We seriously need to promote legalization of prostitution to solve this issue immediately. Even under socialism we must build an system where labor vouchers can be used at co-op brothels.

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There would be no accumulation of capital not to mention exploitation so yes, it would be the opposite of bourgeois culture and society.

Sex is gross anyway.

Nice example you have there!
Could it have anything to do with social strucure, expectations, and capitalism?

Hmmm…

Government organized voluntarist sex redistribution. Sex bureaucrats, but on an an ad hoc fee paying app gig basis or whatever. Like a tinder you pay for in labour.

There will be waiting lines depending on your tastes.

what about the bi men?

I think you should understand the difference between theory and status quo before trying to have discussions about things.

PROTIP: a lack of civil liberty has never made anyone that isn't a member of the ruling class happier.

Everyone can participate in it though…just because you currently are not doesn't mean that you CAN'T. Assuming you have thus far failed to achieve this on your own - what you seem to be asking for here is for us to force women into having sex with you. I'm reluctant to endorse this idea as I think it could lead to legal issues.

I think we'd be better served teaching our comrades to have some self-respect and not allow their sexual and romantic desires to jeopardize their mental wellness.

In communism, open source AI waifus will be available to all, and production of androids for companionship will be socialized.

This, NEETs deserve a chance to be rehabilitated without judgment or ostracism, but contrary to what your grandfather said, leftism is not an ideology of avoidance of personal responsibility.

Collectivize responsibility.

I'm pretty sure that's basically social conservatism.

I disapprove of sexual liberation because I can't find enough non-degenerates to be around nor can I find a proper conservative woman to marry in my liberal infested city.

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Why do leftism only like shit parts of my country ? This is fucking embarrassing.

All women are conservatives user, their political views are just a way of serving themselves.

That can be said of everyone's political views.

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lmao no

At risk of derailing the thread (haha), I do wonder exactly where the line between involuntary and voluntary celibacy lies.

For example, almost anyone can technically lose their virginity by overpowering and raping someone. I assume that choosing not to do that doesn't count as voluntary celibacy.
Then you've got situations such as someone being celibate because they have high standards. Is that involuntary or voluntary?

Why wouldn't it?

Because in that case incels don't exist.

Isn't this the same capitalist logic though? Just because you don't own private property doesn't mean you can't and you shouldn't ban other people from owning it

This is not a solution, it's denying the existence of a problem. Young, sexually frustrated men are responsible for the current cultural importance of the alt right. Social inequality creates tension and leads to agitation for social control and regulation just like economic inequality does, and communism will dramatically worsen the social state of affairs for losers and social drop outs. At least now an underconfident misfit can cultivate professional competence and acquire unique economic value, but most socialist communities will be the equivalent of life long high school with online dating. Toss in local democratic decision making (socialites running committee meetings by playing on one another) and shy kids will face total hell and retreat into technologically softened isolation.

That's not what a conservative is.

Just because [bad person] says something doesn't mean it's untrue. The capitalist argument fails because it's missing the point (no one should own the means of production). As far as I can tell OP wasn't literally advocating collectivizing womens' vaginas as if they were farmland.

It may not be a solution, but it certainly does address the problem. You yourself say admit that the problem is psychological in nature so how would teaching people how to cope with their problems not help? The rest of your post is a bunch of baseless speculation that doesn't appear to have any basis in reality.

Has anyone ever done this?
Does anyone know how to do this?
Everything I see about it is just attacking incels and blaming them.

Maybe we should start to? A huge part of projects like the Red Pill have self-improvement and building confidence etc. as a major component of their program. Maybe start with something like that, general self-help advice.

Whores are cheap. Incels are just people to proud to whore.

Maybe the issue is not that they don't get/can't get sex?
Maybe these men actually want a wife, and perhaps have a traditional family?
Maybe they find that sexual liberation compromises the goal above?

These are some wild speculations but they might hit the spot.

This is true. Sex alone is generally not hard to get, but it's also totally unfulfilling if there is not emotional bond.

if this was just about sex then masturbation would be the solution. it's about finding companionship.

Man, that's asking for a lot already. You have to make a lot of money under capitalism to get that if people would rather not be with you. You want a traditional family structure to force someone to spend time with you? You have to realize that's a demand going far, far beyond asking for the material means to exist.

We need a containment thread for race realism, why don't you support Not Socialism, and will communsim get me a gf? threads

I'm not him, but I don't understand where this comes from?
What's the alternative in which people wouldn't generally pair up together?

The mods don't give a shit. Save your keyboard.

That some people are alone. That is the alternative.

So there are a bunch of single women and a bunch of single men, and they don't pair up because…

Why is what people do or don't do in the bedroom considered leftism ?

Why is the sexual political ?

Sexbots are coming.

Because they don't like one another.

Bad solutions. It creates societies where men either are too aggressive or opt out of the sexual market altogether.

Read:
henrich.fas.harvard.edu/files/henrich/files/henrich_boyd_richerson_2012.pdf

That isn't how it plays out in reality. Nothing you have described is any different to the current system under capitalism.

Because your sexual identity is a permanent factor influencing your actions in society, namely how you behave politically. If you are truly gay, you must know this.

People who actually still care about sex are pathetic and it's almost sad to see Holla Forumssters practically inform their entire worldview around this feeling of sexual inferiority. Just jerk off or dress your bros as cute girls and bone them if you care so much. Modern life has warped, killed and buried my sex drive by wrapping it in a senseless, confusing spectacle. Cue that webm of Zizek saying ideal romance is two sex toys fucking each other in the corner while I talk with a girl I actually like.

Just because you don't like the outcome doesn't mean it isn't communism. Unlikable people will be alone under capitalism. They are mostly alone now, unless they are rich.

You speak the truth.

I think I misunderstood actually. I thought you were proposing something better, but now I realize you were defending the status quo. That's fine. I think there are better (technological) solutions, but at least your posts make some sense now.

A technological solution already exists though. Just go through a dozen or so tinder dates, then another dozen. That's half a year's worth of dates at one a week. If there is someone out there who will want to form a family with you voluntarily, you'd find them eventually surely.

People want to have families. Turns out that is very important to humans. Go figure.

They want to have families because communism wasn't achieved yet.

You don't need sex to create a family now. Conflating sex with breeding, in the modern age especially, is really silly. Also, I think later generations are increasingly alienated to the point of not wanting families at all. I'm not talking about just myself, but almost everyone my age or younger I've talked to about the topic says the same thing: "I don't want to get married or have kids–fuck kids." The collapse of the Traditional Family(tm) is not due to "cultural marxism" but instead due to the alienation of capitalism. They don't want to reproduce the kind of shit family lives they lived through and I think they tacitly know that capitalism is at least partly to blame and that it will only get worse. I think a similar "accelerated" version of this problem is apparent in Japan.

Also, I hope you know that there are people who think it's a moral imperative to NOT have children.

I think that was his point. The modern culture of idolizing sex irrespective of actual intimacy is stupid and unhealthy. It doesn't actually help people form loving families.
Sex should just be a minor biological detail which people do together for fun or procreation. It shouldn't be the be-all and end-all of relationships.

That isn't a good solution because it doesn't actually solve the problem. It just reduces the scale of it.

lol

Not really. Kids are framed everywhere as a social obligation, and a burden; instead of a fulfilment of your own nature as a human being.

Kids were seen as an extension of ourselves. Our kid is to be like our arm or leg - a part of us. Therefore, his interests are my interests. This framework is similar to that of marriage itself where you get from the bible that "they are no longer two, but one flesh". Add a kid and you could say "they are not three, but one flesh".

This is totally ignored today. With all the raging talk on "freedom", "self-determination" or "being one's own master", the locus of discussion becomes the individual. Marriage is no longer two people becoming one but simply a contract between two parties. This is why conservatives are against extending marriage to homosexuals, as it reinforces the notion it is just a contract. Having kids is no longer fulfilling your nature to procreate but a drain on resources.

So, the fact that people don't want kids is really not that surprising if you consider that people are constantly told that if they do not constantly engage in sensation-seeking behavior, they are not truly fulfilled. A kid fundamentally bars you the possibility to do this. So, this whole system is framed in such a way that having kids is a major obstacle to your fulfilment and freedom.

Sex is key to maintain a family. That's why a shit load of oxytocin, in both the man and the woman, is released after orgasm, so that the couple can bond, and actually stay together and take care of the offspring.

As I said, some people will be alone because they are extremely unlikable. They will always be alone because of who they are, and if they are not, it is because people are pressured to be with them.

Why should someone actually want to reproduce? Why is a universe in which I have children better than one in which I do not?
And no, before you ask, "because animals do it" isn't a valid reason.

And as I said, there are technological solutions to that. You wouldn't think of them though, because you seem to like the fact that unlikable people cannot experience love.

Do you mean, social failure is psychological, or caring about social failure is psychological? Which are you trying to address?

What are they?
Then you are just making things up. "Technical solution" or "no technical solution" are both possible. At best you can say: maybe there will be a solution.

Artificial girlfriends and AI therapy for people who have fundamentally unlikable personalities.
Total body modification by willing adults for people who are attracted to non-humans and minors.

We should have the technology within 1-2 hundred years.

And hyperindividualism is a symptom of neoliberal capitalism. I don't see how what you said contradicts what I said. As far as I know, people don't want kids anymore, their reasoning rooted, in one way or another, to the social transformations engendered by capitalism. Depending on where you live, kids aren't really a "social obligation" anymore and people have already run the gamut of deontological arguments against it for a while now.

Tell that to the kids who grew up in largely empty households because their parents were always working, or those in myriad other alternative organizations (ones that form not even necessarily by choice, but by necessity in order to survive). Tell it to kids who endure abuse in the household because someone got chewed out at work that day. Frankly, those traditionalist views just don't hold up and haven't for a while now. And you can blame capitalism for fundamentally eroding family relations and replacing it with an absurd virtual farce.

Capitalism will come up with these also. It is in fact working very hard at it. How is this related to society being communistic or not? Communism just means that things like that , which would exist anyway, would be free and for everyone that wants them.

It isn't. I was answering your question and proposing a solution to a problem. Not all solutions are inherently communistic.

I think communism will be inevitable by the time we have that technology though. It couldn't happen under capitalism for the same reason you couldn't get jet aircraft being built under feudalism. The very act of inventing it would bring capitalism crashing down.

The desire for kids and a family will eventually be bred out and eliminated via technological augmentation. Can't wait tbh.

Not this shit again. Why are there so many fucking busybodies in socialism? Get the fuck out of other people's bedrooms.

1. It is the moral thing to do.
2. It is following human nature and thus conducive to human happiness.

This will not work. They will never pass the status of drugs and, thus, not the "real thing".

Hyper-individualism is a symptom of the Enlightenment, out of which come both capitalism, communism and anarchism.

Kids remain a social obligation. There is an obvious prejudice against people, especially women, not having kids. That's why you often see in papers loads of articles stating something like "I am not a mother, I don't want ever to be a mother and that's not a bad thing!".

I can but I would never think anything remotely close to anarchism or communism would solve this.
In fact, they would make it worse, as a great deal of you are ideologically against the traditional family. That's why I can also blame it on feminism.

You guys seem really keen on ceasing to be human. It is this type of anthropological optimism which will kill us, though. They do say that the doors of Hell are closed from within.

He didn't even say that Jesus Christ. Seems you pop up in every thread where anyone mentions pedos

I posted that as someone who regularly masturbates to lolicon. I'm not really talking about consensual sex with 17 year olds. I'm thinking of things like spanking a 5 year old and making her beg to be allowed to go to the bathroom.
You just can't do that kind of thing ethically to a real child. The only solution is to put an adult mind in a child-like body.

I would argue the opposite. Bringing new life into a world filled with suffering and horror is not an ethical thing to do.

50 years ago people would have laughed at the idea of photorealistic CGI, but here we are.

No, the solution is for you to abstain, or fuck a fuckbot (xs model). There are no sane adults who would want to "put their mind" in the body of a five year old. They would have to be mentally disabled to want that.

I'd volunteer, as would a lot of people in the ageplay community (eg >>>/abdl/). Whether they count as "sane" is up for debate.

Advocating the extinction of your own, I see…

Not my point, at all. I'm not arguing about technology, I'm arguing about how it will be perceived by people.
If there was a computer simulation akin to the matrix (indistinguishable from reality) where you could live the life of your dreams but you abdicate your current one (by being linked to the machine and aging), would you accept it? You could but a lot of people wouldn't, precisely because it isn't the real deal. That's what's going to happen with sex robots.
In fact, this one of the major arguments against taking drugs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism. Also just because it's "human nature" does not mean it is moral or the right thing to do. You're begging the question, hard.

I don't see how the collectivistic ideal of communism (and to an extent, anarchism) is ultimately conducive to hyperindividualism. Even if I take your words as true and say it comes from the Enlightenment, it's under neoliberal, "advanced" capitalism that truly brings it out in the manifestation we see (e.g., the "me" generation, commodification of "uniqueness," etc.).

Seriously? By reorganizing our material reality we also reorganize our value system (most of our current values stem from capitalistic ideals of work, after all–e.g., sex-division of labor and the feminist push to "compete" with men. Having autonomy and control are powerful things. Perhaps without the need to focus and spend unprecedented time on such alienating work, people can finally focus on things that matter, such as their interpersonal relationships. I'm obviously speculating here, but I think it's really silly to think things would NEVER improve under a socialist system. Perhaps someone better read than me can bring up some historical evidence.

Nice meme.

Double nice meme.

Also you're damn fucking right I want to cease to be human, being a soggy meatsack fucking sucks. Give me the upgrades, the superpowers, the cybernetics, all of the advances that science and medicine can offer us.

If the gates of Hell are closed from within I can only hope to swallow the key.

If people want to be boring and cling onto their delusions of an objective reality independent of perception, that's their problem. It would help plenty of people, and the option would remain open for the rest.

Much of the sexual anxiety of today comes from the combination of liberal attitudes towards sex with conservative attitudes towards women tho.

This "pauperization" your image talks about is often the result of women filtering away certain places, types, universes and so on out of fear of violence and abuse.

I am indeed saying that because it is human nature, it is the right thing to do.

Look at how you present yourselves. There is a continuous focus on constraints imposed by others, on self-determination, on "true liberty", on hierarchy (defined as others having a power to meddle with your life and your decisions). This is pure individualism:
"The phantom of liberty still haunts a world cast in its image. We have been promised complete self-determination: all the institutions of our society are supposed to deliver it."

"If you had complete self-determination, what would you be doing right now? Think of the vast potential of your life: the relationships you could have, the things you could experience, all the ways you could give meaning to your existence. When you were born, it seemed there was no limit to what you could become. You represented pure possibility."

"Anarchism is the idea that everyone is entitled to complete self-determination. No law, government, or decision-making process is more important than the needs and desires of actual human beings. People should be free to shape their relations to their mutual satisfaction, and to stand up for themselves as they see fit."

"Without the constraints that are imposed upon us today—citizenship and illegality, property and debt, corporate and military chains of command—we could reconstruct our relations on the basis of free association and mutual aid."
crimethinc.com/tce

This books shows pretty well how the traditional family was initially completely subverted in the Soviet Union:
amazon.com/Women-State-Revolution-1917-1936-Post-Soviet/dp/0521458161

The typical far-left argument on the nature of the family is not that far away from what they used to argue. So, I do think you would not improve anything, yes.

That is the type of shit you should say in public. This reminds me of this clip, actually:
youtube.com/watch?v=2Aa4LzpWbc8

meme collectivized

It's funny because Japan is such a sexually repressed society. It makes sense even sex sucks in there.

If this trend continues Japan will disapear in 50 years and Russia also has this issues the only people breeding there are the Muslims.

Sexual liberation is good. Makes people enjoy life more.

Western Europeans also have abysmal reproductive rates. Whites and Asians aren't reproducing enough, and you would probably need far more restrictive sexual norms to reverse that (or you could grow people in labs).

shiggy

I always remember to ask Uncle Joe before copulation. When he nods and there is a slight dialectical twinkle in his eye I know the time is right.

Oh hey, I agree with that
fun is wordfiltered d egeneracy. Hmm.
In the marxian sense, it well could be a commodity, as Marx claims that labour power, and thus the labourer are commodities as any other in the capitalist system. But as for whom one should or should not have sex with, well, stranger danger is kind of a thing, but even still precautions can be, and often are taken.
traditionalist lol. Though I don't exactly doubt that last bit
liberation has nothing to do with commodification, although in a capitalist society everything will be commoditized, even black liberation from so many decades ago.
Nice emotional plea there m8.
And what may I ask should our views be, and how did you arrive to that conclusion?

Interesting post, comrade. I consider myself volcel, and I would believe the line between incel and volcel to be when one no longer seeks, and is not frustrated by said celibacy.

Oh fuck man how long have you been here? Moralfags gtfo.
In pre civilization, men raped women with greater regularity and even sexually dominated each other to enforce their own dominance.

youtube.com/watch?v=7cmexEZGQbs

Was it the women of their own tribe?

What does it matter?

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I unironically think Corbyns anti alienation programme probably would have been a good idea, along with destroying capitalism so people aren't separated by not being able to get a job or afford a place to live together… Not that I'm speaking from experience or anything…

I miss him :^(

Easy to fuck a three if there aren't people riding you about it. And no, it isn't necessarily possible for all of us to escape to judgment free zones, either. I technically already live in one (eastern seaboard city north of slavery). So, better nothing than the constant pain of society's jeers, especially after barely surviving schoolyard bullying, including by people who claimed to both like and like-like me. No one is proud of working at Walmart. And for men it is increasingly Walmart because if you're not part of the elite, you bare the brunt of popular male-bashing. What fun it is to listen to Harambe tell you about "confidence" and how to treat women. The only reason you don't have women complaining about it is because evolution tells them to sit pretty while men engage in exhausting dance to impress them. STFU telling other people how they are to behave already shitlibs.

I literally said this exact thing in the op. It's irrelevant whether you see these people as losers etc. but thier misery has bad effects on society as a whole

People are not property.

I meant that in capitalism, there are mechanisms of control that ensure not everyone gets a fair shot shot, yet capitalists insist on framing things in the way of everyone starts at the same place and every can succeeded from where they are at

They make it about personal responsibility and will rather than the way society is organized

Also…

This shit is pathetic. Sexual liberation doesn't mean you get to fuck anyone you want. If you're a sinner you don't deserve to have sex. It's that simple. Having sex is like, the easiest thing in the fucking world, seriously. You just have to not be terrible. If you're terrible no amount of socialism is going to fix that.

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This is so cliche that it feels like a decent ironic shitpost, but it feels so real that it's hard to say.

in capitalism at least those without sexual capital can use economic capital to buy sex

under socialism ain't nobody gonna give you sex

So you're telling me the fact that I am poor has ZERO to do with me not having a choice when it comes to sex.

So you're saying that eugenics will be a natural side effect of the transition to socialism?

all the poorest countries are booming with population

you're just undesirable.

I don't think that's actually true, OP. Maybe actualized as part of a community or a love relationship, not as an individual or a being though.

We have a lot more important things to be doing than fucking every day. Sexual intercourse is not something worth even thinking about, and the people who focus on it, the fucking Chris-Chans of the world, are mentally ill.

That because everyone else is fucking poor.

sex and relationships are vital to quality of life

Here. Eat these and call me in the morning.

As a gay man who just wants a serious relationship in an era where you can use Grindr to get laid within the hour, I don't agree with that at all. Casual sex is gross to me, and being lewd with someone without commitment just makes me feel hollow and dead inside. It's terrible.

Jesus, man. Get a hobby.

t. some who probably can easily get sex

Sexual fulfillment is an integral part of psychological wellbeing.

How is someone saying they don't like casual sex but a real relationship a fucking spook?

Lol, all of those were me. I'm a gay virgin, so yes, I could easily get sex, but I have no interest in it. Endorphins are literally the opium of the people.

Spiritual enlightenment and the loss of ego and constant desire for fleeting sensory stimulation is not a substitute for relationships, but it'll sure help you stop wanting sex and the feeling of "self-actualization" some seem to believe they can receive from another person so badly.

It was more the "casual sex makes me feel hollow and empty" thing. I hear that from everyone who cries about having so much trouble finding a "real" relationship. It's like they're saying everyone is a slut except them, and they're waiting for the imaginary special person. It's not hard to find someone you can love. It truly isn't. I literally didn't even have to try.

How euphoric. I think it might be telling of you that I unironically had the same opinions when I was 12.
For someone who knows so much about enlightenment you're a very disagreeable and hostile poster.
Humans are social animals, and isolation affects all social animals extremely negatively. Sure, a lot of people naively think the special qt3.14 will come along and make their life perfect, but having real and meaningful relationships is very important to having a good life.
How could you possibly interprete that from someone saying "I don't like casual sex, it makes me feel bad. I would like a meaningful relationship instead"?
Your personal experience and luck is not representative of everyone else's.

Yeah, and I was a sex-obsessed creep from the age of 10 to the age of 20. Not a day went by that I didn't think about wanting to fuck something. One day, that just stopped. Didn't stop because of drugs, I didn't take psychedelics until I was 23. It stopped when I became a secular Buddhist and realized the self is entirely fleeting and sensory pleasure, while a nice distraction, is really a waste of time. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy a fap every night, doesn't mean I don't make a ritual out of it and practice Tantric meditation and deep breathing to elongate my orgasms, but it does mean I don't focus on it outside of that time, because that is detrimental to my own health. I think about this stuff. Don't call me 'euphoric' for thinking about what I can do to improve my personality and make myself less depressed.

I'm sorry, I don't want to seem that way :(

I agree. Isolation is bad. Alienation is bad. Don't blame lack of sex for it though, and sexual capital doesn't exist. Sexual capital is a loophole for desperate commie virgins to say "your body belongs to me too".

The way he wrote it, it sounded whiny, rather than sincere and longing for love.

I didn't mean it like this. I met the person I love completely by chance on the internet. You can meet someone you love *intentionally* on the internet. There are websites for this. Even free, primarily casual sites have people looking for this. Not every dating website is Grindr.

neo reactionary weeb faggots will never get laid because of their own social inabilities. They don't have to blame women for their faults. No pussy is owed to them only because they exist. And i sense that this spook is the reason why there is an absolute hate against femminism.
This kids just have to grow up and learn some skills. Having sex is a mutual condition in which both of the actors must enjoy the act. They don't have to blame women because they can't get laid if they are smelly and inept, even woman want their pleasure.

And that's a noble goal, but degrading others for wanting a romantic relationship (which they half-falsely equate with sex) isn't.
Th-that's okay senpai
Not having a fulfilling sexual life is part of the social ills people have. Sexual capital does exist, and in this society, it's also synonymous with romantic capital and often connected to social capital. If you're ugly and poor, it's going to be much harder to find a partner and often make friends then if you were attractive and rich.
I don't think anyone here is seriously advocating for that. Inequality in human relationships is a problem and always has been, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to fix that, and obviously not by forcing people to associate with each other.
They're not contradictory.
I.e. luck.
Everyone here has most likely spent the majority of their life on the internet, yet they're still here, complaining about not having anyone.

You're Capitalist-tier victimblaming isn't helping anything, bucko.

Jesus fuck this thread is insane consenting sex between adults is good the state shouldn't interfere with it. Nobody owes you sex.

I am a fat neck beard that is all hunched over acne scarred and have a short cock and I have fucked ten women already. Be clean and hygenic, be respectful and be interested in the person you are trying to date. I really hope most people in this thread are trolling.

Wait you're a gay virgin but you're in a relationship?

This shouldn't be controversial.

Ok, then you either succumb to allowing other people tell you how to live your own life forever or you grow up. You sound young and impressionable.

I am an ugly fuck that fucks other ugly people don't let other people yuck your yum dude

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Long distance, internet relationship. I've never met him in person. But he has never stopped making me happy simply being who he is in the six years I've known him. Someday we'll meet in real life and do whatever, but until then I can wait.

There needs to be a charity organization for helping LDRs sex eachother. Does he live in N. Korea or what?

Worse. Texas.

why the fuck would anyone not want pussy

real niggas jack off and smoke ciggies to get rid of the need for sexual stimulation

Have you ever experienced orgasm on a psychedelic tryptamine? It almost made me an objectivist because doing that 100% of the time would be in my own rational self-interest.

Just joking, but that's an apt description.

Explain what dysfunctional is.

NO. Poor people have sex. If you're not having sex it just means you suck.

I moved my LDR bf to live with me in Texas! After 4 months! What are you doing??

What the fuck does that even mean, people CAN participate in it, they just choose not to. They can claim to be incels all they want but at the end of the day it's all voluntary. They are the ones who don't leave the house or talk to females.

The fattest fucking man in the world got laid, literal retards get laid. Anyone can. It's just a question of lowering your standards and being proactive. If you're an ugly pimple faced subhuman then you probably deserve an ugly subhuman female partner and not a 10/10.

As for Japan, their virginity phenomena is so advanced there's even a female counterpart for it now.

Didn't Marx even predict that envy would become worse under communism because there are no class distinctions to blame natural differences on (and compensate for)?

This so much I am probably a 2 realistically but it is important to try to make yourself more fuckable. Learn how to talk to people and socialize I am pretty close to being a fully diagnosed sperg but I had to learn to socialize to have friends and date/women. I would say don't be yourself totally because most incels seem like the least pleasant people in the world. Make sure to try and date someone around your level of attractiveness or less attractive.

I have worked in grocery stores, fast food restaurants, and retail for all my life. Obviously have sympathize with some socialist opinions because I feel my work helps literally no one and I'm basically wasting time till death. But I've honestly stopped caring, or at least learn to tolerate it.

What I've never been able to tolerate is my own ugly stupid self and the fact I've Never been able to find a gf, and that I'll never have a family or anything, just die a fucking useless loser with no one who ever loved him except his mother, and even she started to be annoyed

So yes, I appreciate you all but socialism can't do anything for me, guess it's back to Holla Forums for me

A social forced so powerful and defining of the human condition people are willing to die for revolutionary change

meh

Make like the Koreans and buy a better face

Too expensive

Sexual liberation isn't the problem, the commodification of people and human relationships is the problem. Our society does everything in it's power to create vain, insecure males and females who judge one another not on the their understanding or ethics, their principles and value, but the shallowest of traits like looks and hobbies. What you consume ends up defining you to most people, and those in this thread that think they're somehow superior to virgins have fooled themselves into thinking that they're better individuals when in reality they are just better commodities.

Why is it so important for people to constantly make virgins feel ashamed about their lack of sexual experience?

Because they derive self worth from meaningless shit like how much sex they've had. By deriding you they increase their own sense of worth.

Maybe it's just autism but I hate the whining about not being able to get sex more than the fact I'll never have sex.

I was what, 13-14 when I discovered my hand and realized I'll never need a woman in my life, and that if ever I need to cohabit I could always just share a house with a best friend. (Theoretically. By 18 I had no friends.)

Sexual liberation is good, except when it's commodified.

Those Japanese men can't get laid because the make as much or less than the women their age.

Women commodify their sexuality by using it as a bargining chip into a relationship with a man that will give her upward mobility he makes more monay

The only reason this wasn't a problem in the past was because women could only sell their labor at a fraction of what men could, so had to wed or wind up on the street because there was no welfare state either

This guy is right

And i can prove it. If it was men being out out competed in sexual liberation, then why are equal part of the female population virgins?
That's according to a government survey published last week, claiming that 42% of men and 44.2% of women – almost half of Japan's millennial singles aged between 18 to 34 – are virgins.
>edition.cnn.com/2016/09/20/asia/japanese-millennials-virgins/index.html
also take a look at this
>japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/09/13/national/media-national/women-express-pride-remaining-virgin/#.WQMmTsaxW70
Japanese women aren't sexually liberated. Quite the opposite, they are traditional as fuck, but the modern career oriented values of japan means loyalty to the corporation takes precedence over homemaking.
It's the reality of what happens when you mix modern capitalism and traditional values.
Most of Holla Forums will off-course deny this, preferring to belie their sexual misfortunes are a cultural-marxist plot to have black men breed with white women.

m8 you just have shitty friends

At one point in my life I was planning to shoot up a den of sex havers, Elliott Rodger style. I could never deal with the unfairness of it and I never could really muster up the balls. But I still might do it in the future, I'd rather castrate every man on earth than watch one guy sleep with my crush

One leg is shorter than the other. Of course they can't walk! Not entirely their own fault though. We dumped technology on a collection of medieval fiefdoms and the predictable thing happened. They kept their backwards ethics while playing with toys those same ethics could never have produced. Conservatism really is toxic to progress.
Viscerally, they're right. There is a massive conspiracy but they're inarticulately grasping at straws, much like the Japanese they paradoxically admire so much.

More deconstructionalist horseshit.

unmarried millennial

What are you getting at?

we are talking about humans, not things man

This is my game plan, except maybe a decade earlier. Am I fucked?

This is mostly how I feel. The idea of spending all that time, money and effort on someone doesn't appeal to me. I'm not sure if theres anyone on this world I could put up with for that amount of time one on one. also a crippling fear of intimacy haha

Government-issued girlfriends when?

You sound like a mansplainer.

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at least they can't say this under socialism :)