Should ANTIFA also go after Zionists and pro-Zionist groups and organizations if Zionism is literally a form of fascism?

Should ANTIFA also go after Zionists and pro-Zionist groups and organizations if Zionism is literally a form of fascism?

Good luck with that in Germany

Only if they also go after Islamists.

If they had any sense they would. Israel is a nazi utopia.

Tell me that is not real.

Both of these.

If you're talking about groups like AIPAC, ZOA, Jewish National Fund, etc., then there would be no point to it. Those groups are already met with serious protest by everyone from anarchists and Maoists to Muslims to garden-variety white liberals (funny how Palestine has become a "soccer mom" issue right up there with buying organic and voting for Bernie).

They already do. Most of the far-right speakers whom they protest are extremely pro-Israel, not because they love Jews but because they want to put down any kind of resistance in the MENA.

The idea that the Nazis supposedly only got their "idea" of extermination after speaking with the Grand Mufti is historically unsound.


I know they do, at least in Western Europe. Most people who associate with the ANTIFA there are vocal opponents of Zionism. They've occasionally clashed with right-wing Zionist militias in the past.

It is

The unrecognized antideutsch faction of the ANTIFA movement are a tiny, irrelevant minority.

They should but ONLY out of anti-imperialism, not out of any pro-Muslim/pandering-to-noble-savage-brown-people sentiment.

Who counts as a "Zionist" though? According to some definitions, Chomsky and Finkelstein are de facto "Zionists" for supporting a two-state solution (albeit a temporary one).

Chomsky supports a one secular state.

Where has he said that? Every interview I've seen of him he says the two-state solution is the only feasible option on the table. He's also critical of some aspects of BDS, which puts him at odds with most Palestine solidarity.

People generally don't associate left-wing Zionism with the term. I don't think there even is a movement behind it anymore. When people talk about Zionism now days they are always referring to the insane far-right Zionism practiced by Israel.

So anyone who supports a two-state on the '67 border (like the entire world aside from Israel, the US, and all the south sea island countries which sell their UN votes for foreign aid) is no longer a "Zionist"?

His book with Pappe. You may be right and I may be mixing up their viewpoints.

Nazism is the highest form of Zionism

I don't think that. I'm just talking about how some older people on the left, like Chomsky, subscribe to left-wing Zionism. I personally don't really know the best solution short of global communist revolution.

Israel was popular in leftist circles until the late 60s, what with Labour Zionism and the kibbuz system.

I think you are. Chomsky has never said he supports one state and says it isn't possible, and that pushing for an end to the occupation post-67 is the best chance we'll ever get.

Neither do I. "One democratic state" sounds like a good idea until you realize the only way it can "work" is if there's a massive land reform, something on par with what Mugabe did in Zimbabwe (meaning it would have to take race into account, not just economic class). The religious Jews, who are overwhelmingly Ashkenazi albeit not very boujee at all, will undoubtedly rebel as they feel a "holy" connection to the land, which could start a Lebanon-tier civil war.

Because the US made Israel their proxy after the 67 war, which prompted the USSR to fund the PLO.

It will never happen because Islamists would push Antifa's shit in and actually fight back.

Well yeah but why make a thread about it?

To be fair, so would the more rabid Zionists. Orthodox Jews don't fuck around.

since Trump is a part of that, they already are

Nooo! We're against all hierarchy except for certain peoples/states.

Not to sound all antisemite or anything,but as soon as you that, you will be destroyed.

>>>Holla Forums

Why?

Neck yourself

Yeah pretty much.

Anti-Zionism becomes an excuse for anti-semitism, not to mention the word "Zionism" means different things to different Jews.

sup ADL
criticism of Israel is inherently anti-semitic only if you subscribe to Holla Forums-style genetic determinism.

No

I'm not a Zionist, I'm just saying there are cases where people will use Palestine solidarity as an excuse to rag on da jooz.

So anti-zionism is bad because some retards associate with it for the wrong reasons?

Still not giving me reason to believe you shouldn't neck yourself.

It's not bad, but some of the rhetoric borders on anti-Jewish.

So you think that all Jews believe they should have an oppressive ethno-state?

Seem the US will be getting their own version of the anti-Deutsche.

by pure coincidence

And anti-explotation is used as an excuse for politicians to push market capturing legislation on behalf of multinational corporations. You will sometimes have to think in the future, sad.

Freedom also means different things to different people. If you ever want to experience a strange variant of free speech, head over to r/socialism and take a look (hide your catgirl).

>I'm not a Zionist, I'm just saying there are cases where people will use Palestine solidarity as an excuse to rag on da jooz.
Those people are really obvious. They will be marching out with a pepe on something or some other pol meme.

What I'm saying is going completely over your head.

I never said anti-Zionism is inherently anti-Jewish, only that many anti-Semites will use the struggles of the Palestinians as an excuse to be anti-semitic.

JFC

Well…. Most anarkids in the EU are pro-Palestine.. most…

But in the US they are liberals, soo..

Nowadays the antisemites are pro Israel
Things done changed

absolutely, it's one of the huge reasons that antifa is obviously liberal larping. Liberals ignore the crimes of zionism as if they were nothing while focusing exclusively on conservative-aligned white nationalism.

Which I already told you is a stupid argument to make. Some accelerationists voted for Trump, does that make Trump a leftist? Fucking durr

I don't know about Antifa. But long before Frog Twitter Nazies discovered anti-semitic memes from the 30's and thought they could form an identity around it, it was the LEFT, that was primarily anti-zionist and the RIGHT that was always pro-Israel.

There can be no pro-zionist left, it is an oxymoron, like saying leftist "socialist-colonialism".

Jews at some point tryed to establish a socialist state. That was also zionist in nature as it turned out.

Israel needs to be destroyed. Jews have used their political power to push mass migration into the west. Fucking hypocrites.

The West must be destroyed too.

Why would antifa fight against their Jewish paymasters?

The Kibbutz system grew after the colonization of Palestine happened.

Even if it did have some socialist characteristics Kibutzes were more like communes and were completely separate from the Israeli state and its policies.

I honestly don't know who made that maymay up

So you're saying its a racist imperialist ethnostate with some slight socialist trappings.
Really jogs the ol' noggin.

I'm saying that some socialism in nationalism doesn't make zionism any better. As it didn't make fascism better.

It's a case of projection. The Koch brothers really did pay for the tea party movement.

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I hate them right now but I'd do a 180 on them if they started beating up porkikes and wealthy muslims or imported priests as well. They are wealthy, conservative zealots, they are fascists. Holyt shit I'd love that.

Shame that it would never happen cause on top of it being social then literal suicide, they are almost completely shit brained liberal retards.