A common meme is that 20th century "socialist" projects led to starvation… any truth to that?
What effect did nationalization and collectivization have on food availability at large?
Socialism and food availability
Easton Clark
Nathaniel Sanders
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Benjamin Rodriguez
Soviet and Chinese famines were the fault of gigantic wars coupled with some central incompetence, especially in the case of the latter. Make note of the scarcity of famines in other ML states, too.
Brandon Nguyen
It is all bourgeois propaganda.
Dylan Anderson
whoa this is fucking crazy
Justin Garcia
Theres a major difference between famines occuring under capitalism or communism and famines occuring because of capitalism or communism.
In the 1800-1900 the was only so much measures to prevent or combat pleagues, draughts and other natural disasters. We can hardly impact nature even today. However enforcing measures that directly and indirectly cause a famine is something different and thats where the "memes" come from.
Ryder Cox
What's the difference?
Nathan Thompson
Centralization is primarily what leads to famine, under both communist and colonial regimes, I believe.
Samuel Robinson
Explain
Josiah Cooper
Ryan Davis
we need so much more shit like this
Infographics are great at shutting up fascists
Lincoln Cooper
No, "read a book" is not a response to a request for clarification.
Gavin Parker
Like, say, literally blockading aid shipments because they'd interfere with "muh free market?"
John Diaz
Get fucked you dumb asshole
Christopher Howard
Whether PRC or USSR the projects of socialists there stopped famines for the first time.
Nathaniel Cook
then read the wiki
Matthew Turner
What
Hudson Watson
if you look at the whole period under mao the gain in life expectancy is the greatest for any population of all time. china went from the back of the middle income countries to close to the high income ones. its explained pretty well by a normie economist in a TED talk youtube.com
Juan Morgan
Sort of. But it was a number of things.
When one central state IS the government AND IS the economy, they have total power of basically everything in everyones life. People self-managing makes the economy happen. Forcing an economy sort of makes it explode. Or implode. Whatever. So people die that way.
Second, if the people you rule don't like being ruled over, since you own the economy, you can just starve them! Shooting them takes manpower, time, metal to make the bullets to shoot them with, so starving them is a better offensive means of controlling people.
Jason Fisher
Even if we look at the part which covers famines after 1917, it still definetily BTFOs the retarded claim that socialism = starvation and capitalism = food.
Ryder Evans
Explain this please
Justin Gomez
There's that village in China that credited a secretly help capitalism saved them from starvation.