It is sometimes asked whether the law of value exists and operates in our country, under the socialist system

What did he mean by this?

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His idea of socialism was capitalism with red flags. Trotsky's idea of socialism was capitalism with red flags and the gold standard.

He was confusing socialism with dotp, and was deluded into thinking the ussr was thw dotp.

He is correct. The law of value exists where-ever commodities are produced. Commodity is a technical term, for any good that is produced for the purpose of exchange on the market. If things are being exchanged on the market, then they must have values in order for exchange to be possible. Therefore, some law must determine values.

Whether or not the USSR was socialist or not has no effect on whether this point is correct or not, this is just basic Marxist economics.

I'm very impressed by your mastery of the first page of Capital, but the actual problem at hand is that Stalin is saying two things here:
Surely you can see how this makes no sense whatsoever.

I think OP might be implying that Stalin gave an answer to that.

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Socialism can have commodity production. QED. Whether that is acceptable is something else entirely.

Pray tell, where do you think socialism starts; how profits(!) are distributed?

Let's look at what he said in-depth:

>If this were true, it would be incomprehensible why workers are not transferred from plants that are less profitable, but very necessary to our national economy, to plants which are more profitable - in accordance with the law of value, which supposedly regulates the "proportions" of labour distributed among the branches of production.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/ch04.htm


Basically, all he was saying is that the USSR hadn't reached the second stage of communism where the law of value and commodity production could be completely superseded.

This is essentially correct the law of value and commodity production existed in modes of production before capitalism. And realistically it couldn't be immediately abolished under socialism.

ayy lmao

Well the second statement is obviously true.

Whether he decides to call that a socialist system or not is a separate question to whether the statement about the law of value operating in the USSR is correct or not. It did. I don't personally think that commodity production and exchange means that socialism is not happening. I think that we would expect to see commodity production and exchange in socialism to begin with, for a time, until we actually get to FALC. But this is not me arguing that the USSR was or was not socialism, that is a separate question and as I say, not one that can be answered by whether it had commodity production and exchange

Stalinism was Not Socialism was Fascism.

This is some seriously reductionist and garbled bullshit son.

That he had and oversaw a really nice social democracy and particularly cherished his revisions of Marx.

Which essentially amounts to saying that the "first stage of socialism" is literally capitalism with red flags.

He does not actually say that. Could it be that Stalin himself did not believe that the USSR was socialist and that his five-year plans were only a transitionary phase through which the half-feudal country had to pass in order to achieve socialism?

Kind of implied that a few times
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/ch04.htm
>In brief, there can be no doubt that under our present socialist conditions of production, the law of value cannot be a "regulator of the proportions" of labour distributed among the various branches of production.

Truly sad the state of leftypol

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Energy standard is better.

this image makes sodems look a lot more exciting than they actually are

Capitalism with an energy standard is still capitalism.

he meant that you're a retard

Stalin specifically talking about the law of value in the context of the cooperative agriculture
also he specifically deals with the claim that the law of value governs distribution of labor in the state industry

so eat shit

Does he ever go into detail what he means by commodity production prevails "on a small scale"?

From what I've read there was commodity exchange between town and country while heavy industry was completely planned. Is that what he is referring to?

Having Stalin himself admit that commodity production existed in the USSR is actually something new to me.

various coops
they were widespread in light industry
by the 50s 70% of furniture was produced by artels, for example