Guys I want to take and hold a skyscraper in manhattan...

Guys I want to take and hold a skyscraper in manhattan. Just a few dozen disciplined activists with pikes and riot shields, break in at night and barricade ourselves in, settle in for a long siege. We could resupply by drone, some of those fuckers will carry like 10 pounds.

Just fucking imagine flying the red banner over NYC. It wouldn't make 1918 commence again but wouldn't it be worth it just being an ulcer here in the very belly of the beast? Imagine making them howl, even if we can't hold forever. We could do occupy better this time- leftist this time.

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You'd have to find an abandoned skyscraper or you'd be fucked immediately.

Stop. This is how you make people hate the left even more.

Well, hello there FBI!

The FBI could never do better themselves, good work teenage memers.


Are you dense?

I was trying to nudge you along to the conclusion yourself. You'd be better off taking over one of those abandoned malls in a big city.

This is a pretty badass idea but I dont really think the risk-reward is worth it. There is a good chance you'd end up being killed or receiving some kind of absurd jail sentence.

If you want to help the cause organize your community, don't be a martyr the time for that will come.

A mall has a huge footprint to defend compared to a skyscraper, it would be a much bigger undertaking. Furthermore an abandoned building can be ignored.


Good points, all.

I honestly don't think killed is that likely. Arrested sure, but is that seriously so scary? I've been inside before it was almost comfy after a few days.

Good point, the abandoned malls I've seen though look badass and would look ridiculous with anarchist/socialist banners draped off them. Granted this was one off Holla Forums I forgot to save the pictures of.
How do you defend/take a skyscraper anyway? If you opt for taking over just the top floors you have multiple elevators on every floor to defend, the lobby is always guarded/locked at night and the NYC have enough cash to land some people on the roof to get it over with quickly. I'm just saying it would be hard to achieve and over fast.

I'm convinced that atleast half of anarchist posters here are falseflagging tankies or Holla Forumsacks.

I'll take the bait. What does this accomplish? Will you put forward any demands? To whom? Will this raise class consciousness? Or will it just reqruit more edgy teenagers?

thats insane
Why not just get a shit ton of like minded people and start a socialist/anarchist village or commune. Have a organised peoples militia and a collective economy run trough worker councils. Show the normies that a socialist society is possible.

It does literally nothing. This is what happens when you have a smashie faggot aspire to do nothing but smash bigger.

I'm thinking you need about 50 people with gas masks shields and poles- batter in the front door around 3am and mob security, usually a handful of people on the ground floor. Put security and cleaning staff outside and you've got a few minutes before squad cars start showing up. Priority here is probably getting furniture from the second floor to the first, then barricading first floor entrances (to street and to garage, if there are both.) Between barricades pikes and shields police will probably prefer some other approach if tear gas doesn't force us out, in a window from ladder-trucks or cherrypickers is likely, maybe even down from the roof with a helicopter. I think there's propaganda value in holding them off with shields and pikes, but we should be ready to retreat above the floors reachable by ladder and take the fight to the stairwells. Elevators shouldn't be a problem I'd be shocked if they didn't cut power to the building. If I had to guess where the lines stabilize? Fire-stairs about halfway up the building seems likely. Who knows how long we could hold out but I don't think there's good cause to expect an immediate loss.

And despite your meming there IS value in morale operations- symbolic victories literally lend you legitimacy in the eyes of normies and while flexing is often pointless masturbation when you've been out cold for decades the audience you need to reach is disenchanted leftists. I remember being inspired by OWS, however retarded it was. It was a demonstration of power outside the system and it was worth something to me.


THIS is what FBI posts look like

You know what's going to happen when you start attacking the armed officers storming the building? They're not going to come with pikes of their own, they'll come with submachineguns. Assuming you're a yank cunt, you're going to be shot and killed, as well as anyone who looks remotely threatening. This is about as much of a 'symbolic victory' as antifa beating up a trash can and getting arrested is.

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And you accuse me of roleplaying?

Oh, is it going to be your FBI buddies?

So why don't other leftist adverse possessions ever end that way? You think they're going to add up the 50 bodies and decide it's worth the headlines this time because the building was taller?

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I also love the idea that the FBI is so interested in this board where no one reads theory no one organizes and no one breaks the law. You faggots could probably get accepted INTO the FBI don't flatter yourselves you've got OKHRANA on your tail.

Ok faggot, ask yourself this: what do you think fbi would want the most? To sacrifice the lives of 50 people while getting the best excuse to arrest leftists ever, while forever tainting the view the public has of the left, or to have a genuine workers movement capable of putting forward concrete demands with the backing of the public? COINTELPRO was known trying to make the groups they infiltrated commit impotent violence to have a reason for arrest, while they have never supported unionizing anf concrete political demands.

Badass idea, but if you can organize that many people there are probably better things you could do. Also, I wouldnt post publicly about these kinds of ideas.

When that radicalized reactionary nazi kid shot up the mosque in Canada, the NYC police department drafted and got a quarter million dollars within 6 hours for a new 'anti-terrorist training facility'.
It's your gang vs. their gang, and their gang has state and corporate power.. Your plan is radical violence. What will defeat their gang is radical non-violence, sry.

I don't think you understand what radical means.

Cooperatives cannot compete under capitalism. They have difficult getting the capital to exist in the first place, and not being exploitative means that capitalists can force them out of the market.
This is not news.

The NYPD is bigger and better funded than most armies, they even have their own submarine. I wouldn't advise it, kiddo.

It means 90s skaters and so on, right?

Who would win?
50something untrained teenagers with sitcks and ripped of wardrobe doors as shields.
or
1 SWAT squad.

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this basicaly

Why

Nice 65D chess user.
Pic related

except you know
they were protesting about food shortages and ongoing war

related because they got killed

revolt forecaster in New York

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Why settle for any skyscraper? If you are going to be breaking through security, you might as well pick your targets carefully. Suppose you decide to crash the CNN tower while they are broadcasting their anti Syrian propaganda with a strong anti war message. Hang Syrian flags outside the windows. Bring a picture of Assad onto the set. You would accomplish a few things this way.

1) Show the liberals (coddled by nature) that their safe spaces are being actively disintegrated by implacable ideologues (if you think I just insulted you, you didn't have the guts for it anyway).

The liberals as a demographic are not worth appealing to. Your job is not to appeal to them, to hope for their spontaneous conversion. The sheep make up a minority of the electorate with the majority being independents disgusted with both parties.

2) Show the rest of the world that the left actually has principles and will stand up to unjust wars. Currently the left has a reputation for endorsing mindless violence. Show the world directed, purposeful "violence" against widely known frauds and you will start regaining respect.

3) Further accelerate the rate of social decay. If you pull this off, then leftists will have trumped the right in terms of outrageous public deeds. This clearly cannot go unanswered. Whereas before we merely had teenagers having slapfights on the street, the competition will force both sides to commit grander and grander spectacles. This will force the government to respond one way or another. If they crack down, then they further accelerate their decline, since they obviously have something to hide. Previous tactics such as humiliation, marginalization and media blackout would be rendered ineffective by such a crackdown because the crackdown signifies that you are too big to be ignored.

Or, the government could concede to our demands, and thereby show America that the swamp can be drained, but not by any politician. Only the spontaneous activity of the people has this revolutionary potential.

I must emphasize again that your message MUST be anti war. This is the one thing that the country is pissed off about, the one thing which cannot be ignored. You cant make this about universal health care because that would involve the U.S. government doing something right for a change. Nobody believes this. Everyone just wants the monster to stop fucking up for once.

Stupid, pointless. Unless you start throwing bankers of the rooftop. Now that'll get the masses on your side!

Lol what do you think most Americans are protesting about, water shortages and ongoing war.

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