Is it hopeless?

How about socialists who pretend to be nazis, or anarchists/mutualists pretending to be libertarians? Would it really be easier to coopt a different ideology than teaching about our current one?

You have nothing on offer.

I think it would also help if you stopped believing in an ideology which is literally what libshits think socialism is - big guberment and a scientology-like cultish party which tells everyone what to think.

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Yeah, ML are just edgy socdems

In the west, yes. But things could still happen in the global south. If a revolutionary subject still exists she lives in a megaslum somewhere in Latin America or South East Asia.

The west won't revolt until it cannot longer afford its precious iphones.

Isn't it just so convenient that according to you the path to revolution requires absolutely no action on your part?

Waiting for the slums to rise up is the same as waiting for the aliens to come is the same as praying for the bombs to drop is the same as hoping that Bernie will outlaw wage labour is the same as sitting in your armchair and waiting for communism to just happen.

It's the commie version of the Rapture, or the Singularity. Millenarianism is a useless fucking tumour on the revolutionary movement.

And nazbols are a pack of retarded cunts.

You are through and through American, your ideology is pure utopianism and is most similar to retarded Stalinism

Nothing I could do makes a difference, and you're even assuming I live in the first world, which I don't. But everywhere workerist ideologies are a dead end, the average worker only cares about supporting his family and getting through the day, you need to be somewhere in the aspie spectrum to even pick up a book by Lenin or Mao, the average normie worker couldn't care less. So the only viable path for radical action becomes some sort of Blanquism and illegalism, good luck with that, maybe I'm a hypocrite but I'm not abandoning what little material comfort I have for such adventurism.

I'm not assuming you're in the first world, I'm just assuming you're not living in the slums you ascribe all the world's revolutionary potential to.

Also read Marx and study history you idiot fucking nazbol, workers have organised and fought in good times and bad - the fact that they want to support their families and get through the day is exactly what drives them to rebel against the inhuman demands of capital. They're also not too stupid to read politics you elitist fuck. Some of the best, most well read and politically astute people I know slogged their guts out for porky their whole fucking lives.

Between the muh comfortable life blubbering, the assumption that activism requires some form of Blanquism, the fucking retarded flag and the elitism, you are the very picture of the classcucked liberal. Either that or some flavour of middle class fuckstick.

Cool ad-homs bro, but no, I'm not middle-class, more like poor, indebted precariat. I've talked to workers, they are spooked af, I'm not saying they can't be organized, I'm saying they won't do revolution, they want concessions from the system, not to abolish it.

First, the precariat isn't a real thing. Workers have always been precariously employed, the myth of job security was a short-lived post-war illusion. Precariat theory was some pomo bullshit created to deflect from a historical materialist analysis of society.

Second, none of the words you used to describe yourself are related to your class position - unless you are using a Weberian definition of social class based on income, in which case topkek.

Third, it doesn't matter how spooked or unspooked the workers you've talked to are - Marx didn't locate the potential for revolutionary change in the working class because they were the filthiest or most downtrodden or least spooked - he did it because workers are the only ones with both the material interest and the political power to change the economic basis of society.

Fourth, I wouldn't have to tell you any of this shit if you'd have done what I told your retarded nazbol ass to do in the first place - Read. Marx.

Fifth, I'm going to pile on the ad homs as much as I fucking well like, since that cunt flag of yours is an affront to all non-retarded thinking.

Sixth, and this is more of a personal political stance I've been developing, but of course workers only want concessions from the system - no commie has ever gone to the trouble of figuring out a viable alternative economic basis for society. This is despite the fact that pretty much every reasonable person on the left agrees a) on the general features of a communist society and b) that the creation of a communist society is their goal.

So you end up agreeing with me on my main point, good.

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In our lifetime?
Yep, pretty much.

Oh yeah I always agreed on that point. You just phrased stuff in a way that suggested you'd never read Marx despite mouthing off on a leftist board and I mainly just hate that fucking flag.