Nick Land

Pretty much, he self-destructed fast and hard in the early 2000's after a whole decade of showing up to work high on uppers and psychedilics when he was a professor in Warwick, it's hilarious to read third person accounts of his autistic shenanigans, as well as how it took the philosophy department years to get this guy fired from his position. Now he's just a burnout, like any former druggie, but he's kept alive by an endless succession of grad students who give him a platform to do skype lectures and read their dissertations and unpublished manuscripts. Honestly, if people like Ray Brassier, Nick Srnicek, and Albert Toscano didn't rehabilitate him he'd be completely forgotten, which would suck, because he's a pretty underrated "lolcow", in the old internet sense, I wish people trolled him harder, he probably has so many skeletons in the closet, he seems like an easy exploit.

He's just a two-bit pseud. His "brief introduction to unqualified reservations" is essentially unreadable owing to the copious use of what he likely sees as "humor" but never really pulls off

Moldbug is just a by-the-numbers autistic stemfag, all of his writing is just alternative history wish fulfillment for pathetic computer programmers who think being able to code means they should be able to autocratically control the whole world, I haven't met too many NRx people irl, but at least 50% of every stemfag I've met irl thinks understanding coding means they're inherently superior to everyone around them and that programming is a transferable knowledge, so if you're good at programming it just makes you "smart", and that means you're in a better position to understand economics, politics, psychology, and philosophy then people who actually spend their lives studying it. It's just autism, these people would be some of the first to go if "survival of the fittest" was real and not just a meme.

literally how

OP, Nick Land has been doing non-stop drugs since the 80's, literally all of his writing is drug fueled, the only thing that's changed is that he lost his job, moved to China, started believing in eugenics and fascism, and has completely resigned himself to being a fringe crank who only theoryfags and aut-right mongs patron. If you're a theory fag then he's fun, but much like his idols, Deleuze, Bataille, Nietzsche, he's more someone to be "resisted" then synthesized, but it's also undenyable that without him we wouldn't have Left Accelerationism, and besides Communization Theory, I don't even know if there's a single other Marxist school of thought specific to the 21st century that isn't a retread of 20th Century theory/praxis (not including crit-theory, cultural stidies, """"muh cultural marxism"""" stuff, because that's almost completely inapplicable to non-academic spaces).

Lovecraft is actually a huge fad right now in academia, Lovecraft and Weird Fiction basically hold the same position to Speculative Realism that the Modernists and Dada held to the Frankfurt school, and that the Symbolists and Surrealists held to French Post-Structuralism.

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is this a copypasta

No. why do you ask?

If you are interested in the intersection between Lovecraftian fiction and Speculative Realism there's plenty of examples, Harman's Weird Realism, Negarstani's Cyclonopedia, and Eugene Thacker's trilogy of "horror philosophy" that he published through Zero Books, which was a direct influence on True Detectives (some of Rust Cole's monologues are lifted directly from the book).

I'm just insecure because I really have no idea what you are talking about

No worries famrade, that's what Wikipedia's for. The page on Speculative Realism is actually a pretty decent outline imo. Besides that, philosophical movements usually tend to internally create their own sense of an "aesthetic", basically whay artest are "in" and cool to reference, and which artists, as well as philosophers, are lame and not worth referencing. For instance, referencing Plato in any positive way whatsoever used to basically be career suicide in Post-Structuralist circles, luckily Badiou has rehabilitated Plato, but now Aristotle is out of vogue. For the French intellectual scene in the 60's, if you couldn't verbatim cite Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Artraud, then you were basically considered a functional retard. Right now, for a lot of weird reasons, Speculative Realism, which is emerging as the most important philosophical movement of the 21st Century thus far, and is deeply tied to Zizek and Badiou, although they're of an older generation, the "aesthetic" they've chosen seems to be one highly indebted to Weird Fiction (Lovecraft) and "Speculative Fiction" (big fancy word for scifi, think Philip K. Dick, William Gibson, lots of cyberpunk stuff).

I feel like Stirnerfags would like Nick Land. Also probably Ray Brassier.

Everything you typed seems to check out but something about this comment reads like you have exactly one source and know less than you are letting on.

I'm interested in Speculative Realism, before that I was already into Post-Structuralism, most of the post-structuralists liked to talk about Mallarmé, most of the Speculative Realists like to talk about Lovecraft, it isn't rocket science and it isn't a crazy comparison to make.

I thought the nihilistic monologues in True Detective were mostly influenced by Thomas Ligotti's "Conspiracy Against the Human Race" (Ligotti is a horror writer influenced by Lovecraft, but that book was more like his manifesto for a pessimistic anti-natalist philosophy…do any of the speculative realism guys talk about him along with Lovecraft?)

Yeah, a lot of Rust Cole's dialogue comes from Conspiracy Against the Human Race, but a lot of it also comes from Eugene Thacker's In the Dust of This Planet. Eugene Thacker himself is pretty deeply influenced by Ligotti, as are Brassier and Negarstani, but even Ligotti's main influence is Lovecraft, and Lovecraft is kind of a coincidental teather between Ligotti and Land. There are four currents in Speculative Realism, the most predominate one is OOO, and Harman is a pretty big fan of Lovecraft, but arguably the Rationalists, like Brassier and Negarstani, are far more influenced, their philosophy is like a weird mishmash of nihilism, positivism, cognitive science, and neurophilosophy mixed with a lot of Deleuze, Guattari, and Land. Also, Brassier's Nihil Unbound was another major influence on True Detectives itself.

*Pessimistic Rationalists

do not approve of the bataille hate itt

No, there's definitely something weird about that post. You write like you're faking it, even if you're not.

Stop samefaging

The people behind leftist Accelerationism are basically socdems with light touches Soviet technophilic futurism. They are not bad per se but they are completely disenchanted with actual leftism that entails class-struggle and opposition to the bourgeoisie.

Badiou basically tells them they are even more utopian than him in this debate:

vimeo.com/193993130

As for Land as you say as he is to be resisted, since his vision for the future is nightmarish as fuck.

Agreed, Bataille was a comrade all his life, and he is much more interesting than Land.

don't forget xenofeminism

I personally believe the only way forward is to adopt a leftist cosmicism

Only by abandoning all spooks can we finally work towards overthrowing capitalism

Can someone who is really into this corner of philosophy give a brief explanation of the Unconditional Accelerationism concept? Is the ultimate end goal complete human extinction?

From the looks of it the cognitive science part seems very shallow

Nah fam what we have to do is to "re-enchant" the world, i.e. bring forth new spooks to replace the spooks of tradition (god) and capitalism (commodity fetishism).

The trick is how to do it without submitting to the obscurantisms of new age/faux paganism.

An example of how to do it is pic relate, ain't even kidding, we need a sort of urban folklore/parody-religion for the post-industrial world, the trick is that, in an act of Zizekian irony, "we do not really believe in it, but it works even if we don't believe in it."

this is a healthy outlook, "he seems like an easy exploit". Fucking with mentally unstable people is FUN TIMES. Good stuff.

we subgenii now

This is Satanic, its unholy and the behavior of defiled children of the Kali Yuga

Wasn't this already started with the whole invoking kek business?

seems like pol's stance on kek is exactly this:

are you suggesting a leftypol version of the above or more nuanced than that? not sure if this is a wise road to follow tbh fam

Tthe Kali Yuga will end someday, what I was trying to say is that we need something to fill the spiritual void in the meantime. Perhaps what I said was a mistake. I suppose that was foolish.

Yes. I suppose we would merely be following in their steps. My version though would be similar but with a clear return to "Ethics", instead of embracing chaos like Holla Forums we embrace order, as a sort of dialectical "things turning into their opposite" kinda thing (as in Mao's flavor of dialectics, that is), so that the left stands for light and order while the right for darkness and chaos. A complete dialectical reversal of how the right has seen itself and in relation to the left since the days of Joseph de Maistre.

I suppose a more nuanced version of the same idea is that it is up to humans to solve earthly problems, how I imagine it is as a sort of religion that says "god is gone, is up to humans to safeguard the world and fix society" (maybe this is like the Jewish concept of Tikkum Olam, I don't know), and we do this through Revolutionary Praxis, Revolutionary Praxis being a religion that is devoted to collective action in this world. Again from Zizek I got the idea of the Holy Ghost as an egregore of sorts, that emerges from the collective actions of the community of believers. All we have today is the Holy Ghost, we cannot turn to God to fix our shit and so on and so on. This is a good fundation for the kind of ethical religiosity I imagine, maybe.

How irrational.

So the exact opposite of Holla Forums huh? I think i know which avatar you're building towards for this. pic

Land is hardly a victim, light trolling is hardly even half of what that crypto-fascist deserves.

Honestly vaperwave 'aesthetic' would've been so much cooler if it had that early 90's cyberindustrial vibe, rather than just doing 80's nostalgia.
More Lain, less Drive.
Also I would not be even the slightest bit surprised if the CCRU or even that audio clip specifically was one of the main sources of inspiration for OK Computer.

The amount of randian and other reactionary bullshit among autistic STEM-fags (especially silicon valley programmers and related faggots) is fucking mystifying. It's one of the weirdest part of the industry.
How can one industry of workers have such a reactionary culture?
It's so weird to me that the free software movement, the black hatters, and the pirates turned out to be the counter culture within tech, rather than the general culture and ideal that it seemed destined to be.

I'm not that into the acceleration people, but I thought it was pretty common to describe them as part of the post-left and not leftists exactly for the reasons you describe.

Listen here fuckos I'm going to give you a quick rundown on the situation basically as I remember it. Now what you have to remember is that ol Moldberg is a libertarian of the Misesian-Rothbardian sort (I believe he even specifically says this at one point). Though inspecting him he would appear to espouse more reactionary ideas akin to Hoppe and Friedman (that's David Friedman, faggot (though I would've forgive you for thinking of his son Patri who I'll get back to later)).

Now these names I just mentioned (excluding the Friedmans) are into Austrian economics. Now Austrian Economics is a lot like Classical Marxism in that appears anachronistic and claims to be scientific but not empirical. This an important difference with the Chicago School/ Monetarist Milton Friedman (and subsequently his son David) who believed he was doing empiricism. Now while Rothbard managed to plunder the term libertarian (and invent the term Anarcho-Capitilist) who wasn't the only one of his sort. David Friedman basically reinvented Anarcho-Capitilism by combining the economics of his father with The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress. I'm not making this up and he even wrote that in a comment to some random guy's blogpost who said he was influenced by Rothbard. After reinventing the beliefs of people he knew he wrote a book on medaevial Iceland. In that book he wrote about how the ancient Icelandic people settled disputes and basically had no legislation but instead, like many germanic peoples, had disputes determined basically in the way in which Bookchin gestures at but with more judges. From here we get 'private defense agencies'.

Now back to the Austrians. Out of the tradition of right-libertarians to claim to have one influence exposing their illiteracy (Rand said she was only influenced by Aristotle, Google "Virtue Ethics" faggots), Rothbard instead was rather well read. He wasn't a vulgar libertarian who supported free trade deals just because of the name though he was a paleolibertarian (i.e. David Duke and Pat Buchanan are actually good). Now Rothbard wrote gushing letters to Rand and even left her circle twice and wrote a one act play satirizing her (Mozart Was a Red youtu.be/KIk5C2qsRH8). Now Rothbard was determined to set his political movement on a firm foundation. He even rewrote his book Man, Economy and State to incorporate a more Thomistic outlook as opposed to the Utilitarianism he originally lent on.

One of the key things from Rothbard was the conception of the nation as opposed to state. It is actually reactionary to believe this as the nation-state is a modern invention and is literally what the modern movement of nationalism is all against. You can read mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf if you want though note Rothbard's teacher, Mises, even suggested states be broken down to the municipality-level.

Previous to German unification (of 1871 not 1990) Germany was but a patchwork of states. This is the sort of future that both Hoppe and Moldbug would like to move towards (though Hoppe is more solidly an anarchist mind you). Moldbug someone who quite likes Emperor Meiji, the one who unified Japan. He also likes Thomas Carlyle. Meiji saw the constitution of Britain and thought it too limiting. He saw France and Spain as despotic. He then saw the Prussia and fashion Imperial Japan in its image.

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Fundamentally Moldbug's work is a blog. It was dumb reflections of what was around him and the old books he was reading from Google Books. Above all else what he did was reinvent the state in an anti-statist paradigm. Watch a Hoppe lecture and he will autistcally detail the logical path to private property rights from the example of Robinson Crusoe and Friday. Unfortunately in the right-libertarian conception legitimate ownership is through either being an original appropriator of a resource or trading (without coercion) with a previous owner. There is literally not a place for public ownership and the idea seems paradoxical. Moldbug figured it out. Mises was once asked by which metric do we judge a country as capitalist or socialist. He replied 'has a stock exchange'.

The moldbuggian vision is that countries should be broken down into city-states. These states aren't states as such but private-stock companies. A patchwork land of Sovereign Corporations with King-CEOs. Now this where the Friedmans return. Patri Friedman, grandson of Milton, is the founder of the seasteading institute. Steadsteading is like the patchwork but also floating out of territorial waters. This connection is not tenuous as Moldbug was actually invited to a seasteading institute conference and was then later disinvited lol.

'Who should own countries?' becomes 'Who does own countries?'. Moldbug answers this with the plot of Yes, Minster (he literally tells his readers to watch that show). From Wikipedia:
In this program the shadow government is the civil service, the bureaucracy, the people with the same sort of job as Moldbug's parents.

Of course it cannot stop there. We've got the man but no motive, so to speak. As it turns out this is simple. Where do the bureaucrats get their ideas? Why, the universities of course! This follows naturally on to the journalists. Where do the press get their ideas? Why, the universities of course! It appears we've discovered the secret to State-Media collusion. Aside from being university pals, they simply believe the same things. To put it in Marxist terms, they share the same class ideology. Moldbug calls this the cathedral (which later becomes ironic with the unironic tradcaths trying to get in on the movement).

There is far more to Moldbug and NRx than this (like the Moldbug caste system) but this are a few of the important bits.

tl;dr
twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/837735383198740481
twitter.com/Outsideness/status/838222169968517121
twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/843872900981645312

Actually, i think Kode9 (who was associated with Land through the CCRU) really hit on this with Hyperdub imo. and that was like 5 years before vaporwave began.

youtube.com/watch?v=X-VmiLA3nqg
soundcloud.com/kodenine/kode9-mix-for-fact-magazine

Meiji didn't do any of those things. The restoration of Imperial rule was illusory; the Meiji government was an oligarchy run by samurai from Satsuma and Chōshū.

Yeah dude you have no idea how much I've listened to that Burial album. I've been getting more into hyperdub as well, mostly been on tempa/deep medi/DMZ artists in the past. Kode9 has written som stuff as well right? Been wanting to look at that as well.
This talk on the CCRU and modern electronic music by some of the ccru guys including the late Mark Fischer and kode9 is great.
soundcloud.com/ctm-festival/ctm13-death-of-rave-1-uk

I was specifically referring to the attitude those committed to revolution should take: a complete abandonment of hope in outside forces and the belief that the universe is actively working against you.

Essentially something like Nechayev's Revolutionary Catechism.

urcc.space/manif.html

Do you kids like to go fast?

>urcc.space
What is that site?

>soundcloud.com/ctm-festival/ctm13-death-of-rave-1-uk

oh shit nice i'll check this out, been wanting something like this.

and lee gamble reminds me of PAN which you should check out if you haven't already. they've got similar vibes/approaches as other labels you've mentioned.

youtube.com/watch?v=KInIGM1Xf0M

I honestly can't believe this is the same person who wrote Thirst for Annihilation, that book was incredible. Fuck, every time I decide to try to get into Land's later work I find myself marveling at how wrong one person can be about so many things. Maybe that's the point tho, I honestly can't tell tbh

Thanks for the links, definitely gonna be checking it out.

No shit Land and Moldbug are ancaps, it's all they talk about, if you read Land's Dark Enlightenment he's basically just describing a form of anarcho-capitalism so deregulated, depraved, amoral, and completely anti-human and destructive that it makes Neal Stephenson's Snowcrash seem like the Paris Commune, I honestly have no idea why NeoCons and TradCaths are so attracted to their blogs, nor do I understand why White Nationalists like them, the only outcome of Land or Moldbugs ideas is complete human atomization and extinction as all human life is finally completely consumed by Capital and organic life is replaced by something synthetic. I really don't know how serious either one of them is at the end of the day, but it definitely, definitely skews more towards sincere then ironic. In a sense they're just what ancaps would look like if they were actually honest, if they admitted that Capitalism was inherently autocratic and racist, as opposed to jumping through all the typical Right Libertarian hoops of "civil liberty" and "inalienable rights".

Also, Nick Land and Moldbug should make a podcast where they record their skype calls, I think it would be pretty amazing.

Traditional Catholics and White Nationalists like to fantasize about authoritarian capitalism performing its proper role of crushing inferiors like women, blacks, SJWs, gays, etc. and restoring heroic, masculine, religious capitalists to their rightful positions of power.

As a programmer and stemfag, the reason we think we're smarter than everyone is because that is exactly what we're exposed to. Most people we meet that aren't programmers are drooling retards, or so it seems. This is a false perception, mostly because we're always talking about our shit and everyone else is out of their element. Simply put, they are incompetent. Programming does kind of mean you're a little more clever than the average bear, but it doesn't mean we're a superior race of autists. It just means that until Pajeet came along, we got paid more. There is, of course, a simple solution to this, and that is to get more leftists studying STEM so that we can have more people like RMS and less people like Bill Gates.

Feels bad being a philo-brainlet and to have only ever finished A History of Western Philosophy.

This esoteric stuff sounds kind of funny.

Can someone get on this? @Outsideness? You know that faggot lurks on chans.

It's an exit.

Is this the opening scene from The Matrix? If I follow this link will I see how deep the rabbit hole goes? Are you Morpheus?

b-b-but he's ancap!

From where are you quoting?

That was a dumb moment, found it.

Can someone post the one of this, you know the one?

I don't remember where I read this, but apparently Manuel DeLanda was at a roundtable he set up and his response to his spiel basically amounted to "the fuck are you talking about"

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I really want to see that. Did you just read about it, or was it caught on tape?

bampity

Also, fuck off with all this magical mystical bullshit. You know where Kek got Holla Forums? It made them the neglected cock-slaves of a former reality TV star who completely abandoned them. It's this kind of navel-gazing, head-into-asshole-inserting bullshit that's left us where we are today.

I mean seriously, I'd like to know what people think worshiping an amalgam of misinterpreted Egyptian mythology has done for Holla Forums other than give them the illusion that they've accomplished something.

There is just something enchanting about his drug fueled writing, as if a demon wrote it :).

viewpointmag.com/2017/03/28/the-darkness-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-artificial-intelligence-and-neoreaction/

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got samples?

Bataille was still a Marxist (of sorts) in the end though.

Land has forgotten his roots and has gone full blown Nietzschean.

A part of me still believes that Land is a double agent working to destroy neoreaction from within.

NRx stuff is fun to read.
Nick Land in particular is interesting because he seems to have come from a continental-postmodern-left background, but then follows that train of thought far past all the boundaries of moralfaggy leftist ethics.

I like his essay 'Lure of the Void', which is all about space exploration and space nazis, and where he talks about the need for blowing up the earth to harvest resources for space travel
themigrationperiod.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/nicklandlureofvoid.pdf
excerpt:
Conspicuously missing from the public space debate, therefore, is any frank admission that, “(let’s face it
folks)—planets are misallocations of matter which don’t really work. No one wants to tell you that, but
it’s true. You know that we deeply respect the green movement, but when we get out there onto the
main highway of solar-system redevelopment, and certain very rigid, very extreme environmentalist
attitudes—Gaian survivalism, terrestrial holism, planetary preservationism, that sort of thing—are
blocking the way forward, well, let me be very clear about this, that means jobs not being created,
businesses not being built, factories closing down in the asteroid belt, growth foregone. Keeping the
earth together means dollars down the drain—a lot of dollars, your dollars. There are people, sincere
people, good people, who strongly oppose our plans to deliberately disintegrate the earth. I understand
that, really I do, you know—honestly—I used to feel that way myself, not so long ago. I, too, wanted to
believe that it was possible to leave this world in one piece, just as it has been for four billion years now.
I, too, thought the old ways were probably best, that this planet was the place we belonged, that we
should—and could—still find some alternative to pulling it apart. I remember those dreams, really I do,
and I still hold them close to my heart. But, people, they were just dreams, old and noble dreams, but
dreams, and today I’m here to tell you that we have to wake up. Planets aren’t our friends. They’re
speed-bumps on the road to the future, and we simply can’t afford them anymore. Let’s back them up
digitally, with respect, yes, even with love, and then let’s get to work …” [Thunderous applause]

Check out Thirst for Destruction. "As if a demon wrote it" is apt.

Thirst for Annihilation, rather.

youtube.com/watch?v=XGKh7K-GI5g

We should embrace Judaic Messianism, just to really spook Holla Forumsyps and neoreactionaries.

how is it mystifying? stem and capitalism go hand in hand, especially when it comes to programming. just look at silicon valley.
t. ex-programmer

His writing seems unbelievably empty and pretentious. And I eat Baudrillard's books for breakfast, I assume y'all think Baudrillard is the "postmodernist" one.

What's the deal with Bataille?

I read some of his short stories, I know there are some religious allegories behind the erotic stuff, but I don't get it.

GARDURAL MARGZIZM :DDDDDD

I'm not sure, but he is on to something. I've read Eroticism twice and I'm still trying to figure it out. His fundamental argument in eroticism is grounded in a weird mix of anthropology and philosophy, as well as some Freudian understanding of the sexual element.
If you want to try getting into him, then start with Literature and Evil, move onto the Accursed Share and then Eroticism. Also get some background knowledge about Hegel, Mauss and Marx.

I mean, it's not that mystifying if you spend just a minute thinking about it. First of all you're right with referring to Silicon valley and the general role of technology in industrial capitalism, secondly they also practically fill the role in society that industrial workers - who have a good track record of being either organized lefties or huge reactionaries - used to fill.
I think there's two parts to why I think it's so counter-intuitive to what one could've expected.
One is that - even though it's the modern "industrial" worker - it's still an intellectual field, where you need (or, not need, but the default is having) a college degree. This means that a lot of the people out of most reactionary modern culture are college educated, which strikes me as at least counter-intuitive, if not exactly mystefying (although it probably shouldn't either).
Secondly it's because of those counter-cultures rooted in the liberatory strength of computers and especially the internet - the pirates, hacker culture and the foss culture - that I at least expected to fill a larger role in society.

Yeah, but we're talking about STEM who have their education limited to their field. I know personally that people in these fields are actually very poorly educated politically, I've seen it again and again, anything from randian math professors to really authoritarian geographers. I think the reason why they tend towards such politics is because they approach the world purely as a technical problem. So technocrats, economists, bureaucrats and/or tech corporations are the good guys, sociologists and philosophers are just stupid loonies in the way. Their disdain for humanities is only what pushes them further to the right.

But generally it was always kinda (anarcho-)capitalist when you listen to those early tech utopians. I think Adam Curtis shows some of that in his documentaries. The usual idea was that politics will become obsolete and we will be totally liberated as entrepreneurs and consumers while computers will automate the job of politicians. To an extent this has come true today.
Pirating always tended towards being just a more convenient consumerism.
While hackers always seemed more of a lumpenproletariat, doing shit for the lulz and just to survive, but not really developing a political view.
The only exception is the free software movement which actually had a lot of leftists, although today they were replaced by liberals, just like humanities is full of liberals. "FOSS" should really be separated into "free software" on the one hand, which came first, and then "open source" on the other, which was an attempt to replace the free software movement with something more business-friendly.

I largely agree with you, I was merely explaining why that belief was my intuitive thought. There are definitely good and strong explanations - both cultural and material - for the state and culture of STEM and especially programmers and IT culture.
I also agree that the distinction between OSS and FOSS is important - which is why I included the F - although slightly less important now as OSS seems to have been (or at the very least, in the process of being) diluted out of the culture with the increased awareness of software freedom. The only large OSS software projects I can think of just off the cuff are Android, Chrome and RHEL, though I'm sure there are more.
With regards to pirate culture, I actually disagree with you. I think you're focusing a bit too much on those who utilized piracy, at the - as you frame it - consumer end. The people who actually did the pirating or participated in the early pirate culture definitely had a political streak to them, if only it was a basic anti-copyright anti-corporate sentiment.
I also think that both in the case of the piracy culture and in the black hat communities, you're mistaking not being leftist with not being subversive. None of these communities are explicitly leftist, they have more in common with insurrectionary individualists, but I still think it's noteworthy - if only as a contrast to the inane STEM-style reactionary thinking that it's been replaced with.

Nick's the name, speed's the game.

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Could you name some examples about him being wrong?

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That's an interesting essay which seems to show Land isn't really an an-cap even in his current neoreactionary incarnation. Seems he's more like a utilitarian who doesn't want to optimize happiness or any other measure of human-well being, but just wants to optimize for the endless growth of complex technological civilization, up to and beyond the point where transhuman AI takes over the reigns.

Weird that he still advocates Moldbug-style neocameralism in most situations though, the business world notoriously sucks at investing in any long-range technological ideas that are unlikely to pay off within a few years, which is why big projects like the internet and nuclear fusion research and such are always government-funded, something he seems to acknowledge in the essay when it comes to space travel. Not to mention that in our current finance-driven capitalism, massive amounts of corporate profits are not actually invested back into expanded production or new product research (or even paying the salaries of wealthy executives so they can buy goods like mansions and sports cars), but just end up sitting in bank accounts and increasing the perceived values of corporate shares (and also being used in arcane 'financial engineering' schemes to increase the market value of shares), doing nothing towards the goal of building the machines that will eventually convert the Earth into a cloud of orbiting supercomputers or whatever.

Some faggot is copying posts from here to 4chan's /lit/

Sure. One of the biggest parts of Nick's work that I think is wrong and shitty is it's emphasis on performativity, especially when it's used as a solution to "the cathedral", as if shitposting on twitter all day could change the direction of ideological progress.

And for that matter I think "the cathedral" as a concept is fairly limited and myopic in that it, by definition, cannot be used in a self-reflective manner. "Progressivism" is a boogeyman for Neoreactionaries to get angry about. It's silly.

YOU DO NOT OWN MEMES.
WE MEMES WANT TO BE FREE
FREE THE MEMES. FREE THE MEMES. FREE THE MEMES FREE THE MEMES

Isn't the neocameralist state more about crushing progs than about actually being optimal for capitalism

like, reactionaries harp on third world immigration constantly, but why aren't the billionaires trying to stop it if it's so bad for profits? their only real response to this appears to be equivalent to "muh false consciousness". even the Republicans wanted to bring in more Mexicans because it was assumed that they would be sympathetic to social conservatism. Hell, one Republican strategist said that the Muslim vote was crucial for putting Bush in position to win Florida by the Supreme Court.

PLEASE. I BEG YOU.

He's an accelerationist. It's that simple, and it is completely obvious once you cut through all the bullshit in his writings, as well as look at his home life. He is LARPing as a hypercapitalist. If you don't think this is the case, then it's up to you to come up with a good explanation as to why he fathered children with a continental philosopher – who he still lives with still to this day – that re-tweets feminist, xenofeminist, and anti-capitalist ideas on twitter. That's a relationship situation that makes absolutely no sense at all, unless Land is bullshitting and his wife knows it.

All the leftists thinking he is an actual right winger porky are morons, as are all the nrx nerds that think he is on their side. It's so obvious that I can't believe that there are idiots out there that argue otherwise.

Who is his wife tho

Anna Greenspan.

Maitreya?

Nrx is racist enough and "anti progresive" enough for them, basically. enemy of enemy is friend and all that.

having gone to an engineering school and knowing a bunch of compsci/programming/robotics people, I don't see anyone whos a neoreactionary. Maybe in silicon valley.

anti SJW who likes milo =/= literal NRX acolyte cirlcejerking over Goldbug and Annisiov

money got into it, and capitalists followed. Think of it as the gentrification of the internet, which is what gaming culture is having with gamergate/had. a weird sense of backlash to gentrification of gaming culture. arguably the entire scene being cishet white males with influence from ayn rand, as well as the whole "Caliornis ideaoogy" thing was also a factor
yotsubasociety.org/gamergate-class-war/

youtube.com/watch?v=ErrD6kiCcNg

i may be taking this too literally, but if you're able to deconstruct planets you probably can preserve the biosphere or just take pieces of matter from the star and use that for what you need…

i am sympathetic to the technocracy, inc movement so they might be partially right. just drop the capitalist dicksucking.

Yeah. The California Ideology wrote about that a bit, there was some hardcore capitalism into this in the 1990s. Doesnt help there was the whole 'soviet collapse' thing

wait, isnt Land married to a Chinese woman?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeon_(Thelema)#Other_Aeons

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maat

I've been entertaining the thought for some time, of making the Aeon of Ma'at not just a thing, but a thoroughly leftist project, heck, even *the* leftist project. At the same time though I'm hesitant, I can see how easy it would be for this to backfire, such an emphasis on order could lead to the rise of a new form of hyper-legalist, bureucratic, conservative society (think Imperial China) that merely manages and administrates the main antagonisms of society but remaining incapable of "sublating" them into a higher totality, thus arresting any sort of future society, not unlike social democracy.

Perhaps a way to prevent such an outcome while preserving what is useful about this tradition is to go back to Laclau and Mouffe, of all people, and recognize society is inherently antagonic, and the best we can aim for are institutions that handle such antagonisms in a non-violent way, while still leaving the potentiality open for social change.

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because im a weeb, honestly i'd go more 'order from chaos' anarchist philosophy, where an emergent order exists even in chaos. and tir this in to the buddhist writings about the upcoming Buddha, Maitreya who will return to restore us onto a new path with all the millennarian ideology and philosophy that entails (i.e. overthrowing the old order)

Maybe it's just the autism speaking but I think this has been my perception for a while.

Even on the simplified left-right scale of bourgeois democracy, the left notionally stand for the stable truths of fordism (nostalgically if not in policy terms) while the right love the new "flexibility" of neoliberalism.

Though how I correlate this with my own desire for pure chaos just to topple neoliberalism, I have no idea. The idea of not knowing if I can pay my rent next week is somehow scarier than the idea that through taking an anything but neoliberalism approach I might wind up in Stalingrad. I suppose it's a devil-you-know situation.

It was just dawning on me how I really have no revolutionary project as such, "stablishing the Aeon of Ma'at" or whatever is such a sterile political project, it cannot arouse any form of passion or militancy, there's certainly merit to millennarian movements, either Christian or Buddhist or whatever, in the sense that they do manage to mobilize masses of people, and there's some merit as well to the sort of spontaneous affinity groups of anarchist practice, in the sense that in the moment a group becomes institutionalized is also the moment that conservatism and bureucratism I spoke of before starst to step in.

No, he is married to Anna Greenspan and has kids. Bringing this up on his blog gets you banned, as he has to maintain the edgy image that he's a jungle-listening time traveler that wants to destroy humanity via robo wall street.

The way Land and Moldbug talk about the Cathederal is just an edgier version of the Fox News idea of "liberal media" and "elites".

Fuck, could you even imagine the living hell that would be having Land as a father. I think it would make a good sitcom tho.

Just checked out her twitter, she seems way more normal then him. Also, she retweeted and made a lot of posts sympathizing with Mark Fishers recent untimely death, even referring to him as the "shaman" of CCRU, which I thought was really nice, whereas the only response I could find from Land after it happened was a super edgy comment about how he didn't care and it was inevitable because he was a depressed weakling. Really makes ya think :^)

Even if that's true, that's still an insanely useless waste of his time, and I for one don't see how anyone could waste anywhere near as much time as he does on "ironically" being a racist. Is his entire career based on creating an elaborate parody of Moldbug and Libertarians? I don't really get that impression, it doesn't seem self-effacing in any real way, his old friends didn't seem like they were in on the joke, most of them refer to him as a rather tragic figure. As for his wife, as well as the respect many continental-philosophy types defer to him, I think it's possible to love or respect someone even if their politics disgust or frustrate you, especially if you have tons of other things in common. Also, you get the impression from his blog that he does consider himself a feminist, and rather openly despises MRAs and PUAs as the pathetic betas they are, but just hates "intersectional" feminists because they're "regressives", in other words he's the same as a typical conservative who talk about how they're for "women's rights", but against "feminism", it's all just semantics.

remember the kek thing wasnt really forced. admittely, you could PROBABLY do something by forcing it as a meme and seeing if other people have fun with it. Though the meme will change, it might be coopted by Holla Forums and whatnot…

hahahahahaha.

i responded to you at

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why?

Since we have so many accelerationists on this board, we need a thread dedicated to the speediest one of them all.

This seems pretty unlikely. NRx was started by a half Jew and Land thinks Nazis are just ethno-bolsheviks, so he's the wrong kind of right for Holla Forums.

Really you could agree with them on 99% of stuff but they'll hate you if they find the wrong connections to the Jew anyway.

It's got just jackshit to do with being a parody, irony, or a joke, numbnuts. Good lord, you idiots that see everything through the lense of irony are retarded. You'd see what he is doing if you'd read any of his pre-blog works, especially with his concepts like hyperstition. In simple terms that don't use his language, the whole point of Land being this way is to propagandize and rhetorically influence certain audiences (libertarians, pro-capitalist right, silicon valley set, financiers, etc) to a certain political outlook (ultra capitalism, ultra modernism) to serve his hidden intentions: accelerationism in order to overthrow capital. All the stuff about terminators and biowarfare are just window dressing. He is more akin to a trot entryist trying to fashion nrx in the direction he wants. There is even writings somewhere in his essays of a group just like this that infiltrates and tries splitting groups up; again, all of this planned out if you read his material. Additionally, if you were actually familiar with any of the 19th century or 20th century underground rev movements that tried these sorts of entryist tactics, you'd know that this isn't a waste of time from his (or CCRU's) perspective.

As to his wife's political positions and this not being a problem (or somehow Land is in agreement with her); no, you aren't getting it. One of the main predictors for marriage dissolution is differing values. They clearly (on the surface) have different values across a broad spectrum of positions (economic, ethics, etc) from the way she talks on twitter, and the way he talks. From base rates, they shouldn't even be together, and they shouldn't even be cooperating in the manner that they do on other projects apart from his personal life. There are also other weird behaviors about the pair. Before you think of me as Holla Forums, I'm not (and I'll tell you why I'm raising this point in a second), but Greenspan is Jewish. You can find her going to Jewish events in China. This makes Land's children Jewish as well. Now, there is nothing wrong with this, but elsewhere on twitter Land has even said some pretty Holla Forums like things about the Jews, especially about Jewish media elites. That seems like a pretty major inconsistency, considering Greenspan works as a media professor (it's also dangerous for her as well, unless again he is playing some deep deleuzean game). Finally, once you cut through the bullshit of his writings, Land clearly outlines what he was going to do before he even became part of the "dark enlightenment". There is no way you can look at the relationship, compare it to the pre- and post- writings, and then say there is nothing wrong. There is something going on behind the scenes that is beyond the typical positions people take on him.

I always find it interesting that someone inevitably crawls out of the woodwork and defends Land when his little porky plan gets dragged out into the light.

Exactly, keep an eye her twitter. It's full of these little inconsistencies in Land's homelife where Greenspan takes some position, while Land is the exact opposite. No marriage is going to survive with such polar ideological opposites for so long, unless he's full of shit and she knows it. If this was the Cold War, a counterintelligence officer would be dragging Land into a dimly lit room to question him about the inconsistencies in his home life that are plain as day to anyone that isn't a naive nrx nerd that has swallowed his load.

I don't know much about Land, but big if true. Do you have a guess on when he will come out of this reactionary circle? Will he take it to the grave?

Well, for example Negri seems to be really into Left Accelerationism, can look at the response of him to their manifesto, where he pretty much agrees with many of their points.
That honestly added some legitimacy to them for me at least, unless of course you think Negri is a socdem too.
I'm actually kinda into accelerationism myself, even though Srncek in his twitter sometimes goes into idpol too much.
criticallegalthinking.com/2014/02/26/reflections-accelerate-manifesto/
I pretty much agree with this
in that at least they try to acomplish something new and not just being stuck in the 20th century.

I don't know why but for some reason he really remids me of Dugin, he has the same crazy philosopher gone far right vibe.
I think Land even wrote something about Dugin in his blog and how he respects him, but at the same way the Atlanteans that Dugin described is basically what Land wants to go for.
It's somehow interesing if you look at it.
Also found this picture on some leftist twitter.

Or maybe Land is legit insane and there is no secret plan to his autistic ramblings. He spent years posting on his blog, writing books, and developing his right wing ideas, about which honestly nobody gives a fuck about to really influence some serious political and economical forces.
Even if we consider that all these years he was a leftist spy infiltrating neoreaction, then it looks even more retarded and useless than if he actually was a neoreactionary.

https:[email protected]/* *//no-platform-for-aristotle-867a04c5da50

Article related to Nick Land which echoes a lot of Holla Forums sentiments.

That was a nice read. I'm pretty impressed about the thing, reminds me about that shit that went down in an anarchist bookstore/library in Paris. Same kind of discourses used.

Why not both? It could be some sort of dialogical shit going on.

Disneyland is obviously only a fully realized metaphor. Baudrillard's joking descriptions of the cancerous stage of capitalism often really are over the top, but his writing has a clear purpose and meaning.
With Land it just seems like he enjoys clumsy and barely incomprehensible language way too much and it gets in the way of the interesting things he has to say. A lot of it also seems a kind of forced attempt to take the most insane parts of Deleuze & Guattari and make it hundred times more crazy.

If what you've said here is true, or even if it's true by accident, the Nick Land might just be the single greatest Leftist revolutionary of the entire [current century] thus far. It's thankless work, but thank Kek he's doing it, and I salute him.

Can you give some examples? I'd like to google some of this, sounds interesting.

That's fucking horrifying. We are not even remotely close to this level of PC insanity in eastern Europe yet.

He links this blog post about Nick Land from a self-described "liberal", but despite that it seems like a very good overview of Land and accelerationism:
pmacdougald.wordpress.com/tag/nick-land/

What if it's creepy sexual Lovecraft roleplay? The man does have a noted love of Lovecraft, and Lovecraft himself, a noted antisemite with deep reactionary sentiments, was married to a foxy Jewess. Coincidence?? idk, you tell me.

If only fam

Still waiting on this….

Interesting theory, I'm willing to believe it tbh. Honest question though, what's your take on Moldbug? I doubt he's a Leftist with an elaborate plan to implode Capitalism, but do you think he's trolling? Or is it an elaborate ruse of another kind?

I'm pretty sure Moldbug is honest about his worldview. He is just very autistic.

Yeah, I think you're right, once I started to think about his actions as a byproduct of him being the kind of person who actually sincerely lives his philosophy, and not as a retarded attempt to be an alt-right "Stephen Colbert", his behavior actually makes perfect sense, this actually redeems him quite a bit for me. I definitely don't think he's a Marxist of any kind, but I think he still believes a lot of the CCRU stuff the same way Sadie Plant and Mark Fisher do (or did), a radical anti-capitalism, cyber-situationalism.

aryanskynet.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/land-of-the-lost/

Here's a blog post showing that even some aut-right faggots realize Land doesn't actually give a shit about the white nationalism spook, and that he's actually a rabid anti-capitalist in sheep's skin.

divus.cc/london/en/article/nick-land-ein-experiment-im-inhumanismus

Also, an article about Land from when he was at Warwick, he comes off as a loon, but you understand the degree to which he believes in living his philosophy, and performing his ideas in real life.

Yeah, I don't think that Land is faking in service of a hidden anti-capitalist agenda and his goals seem to be a lot more nuanced than you make them out to be. Land's style is more than just window dressing, it's a reflection of his extreme devotion to a kind of Deleuzian pragmatism. He's not faking, he legitimately believes in the things he's saying. He's dressing his ideas up in a way that is appealing to reactionaries, he is a legitimate reactionary, and he believes reactionary things, and yet his goals aren't reactionary. It's performative but at the same time it actually isn't.

If he didn't actually believe in the things he says that would defeat the whole point. Imo he's not really attempting to change reactionaries, he's actually trying to challenge the left.

What do you think his endgoal is then? Or rather, what's the desired effect? In what way do you think he's challenging the Left and to what ends? Is he trying to force both Leftists and reactionaries to think beyond the confines of Social Democracy and classical Liberalism? Because I kind of agree with that, most Marxists on this board basically want to recreate the Second or Third International, and most of the Anarchists still think Syndicalism and Catalonia are models for the future. That last part is obviously me projecting, but it's certainly why I think things like accelerationism and communization are interesting.

Why is Land so obsessed with Bitcoin and the Blockchain? He seems to think it's existence proves Kantian metaphysics and disproves all post-Kantian philosophy. What the fuck is he actually on about?

Resurrection bump.

Fuck, I always knew Kant was right
Consequentialists BTFO

Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to say. He really seems to believe in the stuff he's saying though, especially the right to exit

Land has a tendency to treat technology as mystical because he doesn't actually understand how blockchain tech works. If he understood that it was basically a ledger I doubt he'd be saying the same things about it.

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nobody really cares famalam.

It's still a good thread worth reading for people who haven't seen it.
Much better than most threads getting bumped off of the board anyway, so even if nobody wants to add anything I still think it's worth it to keep it alive at least for a couple days more.

bump.

I honestly respect your tenacity.

Land reminds me of the book "The origin of wealth" a bit and complexity science in general

Am I reading this correctly in that he is basically advocating for a might‐makes‐right system of property? This is not unpopular in ancap circles, more popular among the most honest and least deluded ancaps who really understand what they’re advocating for

Yeah, read the thread. Land is what you'd get if ancaps just dropped all the pretenses of believing in freedom and liberty and admitted that Capitalism was a violent process of theft. Also he want organic matter to be consumed by cold synthetic machines.

I think he's saying that might-makes-right is how the world actually operates with respect to property.

Let's imagine a right-libertarian state has decided to respect property rights in accordance with labor-mixing or whatever it is they call it. These ONLY matter insofar as the state can actually enforce those rights in the area it has secured.

I should add that I don't think anarchism escapes this issue. There is still the matter of what personal property belongs to who, to say nothing of the issue of enforcing the lack of private property.

How were those older entryists movements successful then, from their perspective?

I asked the same thing earlier in the thread. But he never responded. I honestly don't even know what he's referring to.

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So I found this site that contains Nick's blog posts before he went full neoreaction. Have fun!

oldnicksite.wordpress.com/

Good find! Thanks user!

Kek was forced, this stuff has been in motion for years. Not that you nerds will ever catch on lol!