What is a tankie and why does it make leftists buttmad?

What is a tankie and why does it make leftists buttmad?

Tankies are people who support Stalin. The nickname comes from the fact that Stalin's favorite method of suppressing dissent was to send in the tanks.

It just means someone who upholds Stalin and the Soviet Union in an uncritical manner. Most of the board is Libertarian Socialists, the anti-authoritarian Left, so a lot of Anarcho-Communists and Left communists. Tankie didn't always necessarily mean that, but that's how it's used today.

a Holla Forumsyp wearing red makeup

they despise fascists posing as leftists

So where exactly is Holla Forums on the spectrum? Where is someplace like plebbit?

I always thought The term originated with Khrushchev and Hungary.

Idiot. Tankie comes from the crushing of the 1956 Hungarian revolution, Stalin was dead by then.

Reddit are generally tankie leaning, witha large amount of trots, maoists and stalinists.

Leftypol are somwhere between leninism, orthodox marxist, leftcommunism and anarchism, there's a lot of variety but most of us arent as ready to defent the ussr or maoist china as your average tankie.

Not to be pedantic, but it's a direct reference to the suppression of the Hungarian Revolution, which took place after Stalin's death. In the 50's it was actually used by anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninists against MLs who still like the Soviet Union under Khrushchev, today it's more broadly used to describe all MLs

We got every flavor of ice cream ideology here m8. There is no consensus although most posters here are iffy about the 400 trillion Russians and Ukranians killed narrative.

Yeah, but it devolved into slang at this point.

When a liberal says that socialism is when an even totalitarian state represses all dissent and gulags everyone, a Tankie is the retard that agrees

It refers to a specific type of M-L, that upholds the Soviet intervention in Hungary as a legitimate action (the name comes from the use of tanks in the intervention).

Because left-coms and anarcho-kiddies are adverse to the study of history, they have taken it as a general label for all M-Ls, or even all non-libertarian socialists.

Especially because most modern MLs are less interested in Marx, and more interested in the Soviet Union as it existed as a large anti-imperialist world power, which has ver little to do with actual Marxist theory, and more to do with cosplaying as a dead nation-state.

Hey Howard! What's you opinion on the suppression of the Hungarian Revolution?

Ok makes sense. How do you explain the holodomor?

Generally, communists and anarchists of (almost) all tendencies
Their facade positions: Anti-Sectarian Anarchists and Communists
Their *real* positions: Social democracy at the barrel of a gun, Identity Politics, repression of any voices of dissent, Anarcho-Tankieism & attempts at covering up rape, excluding about 3 or 4 subs.

The fact that a famine happened? Or the fact that the famine was artificially engineered by the Soviet Union to "punish" Ukrainians? Because one definitely happened, the other is conspiracy theory nonsense that no impartial observer on the world scale believes, aside from the US and specifically far-right groups in the Ukraine and Poland.

If one looks at it purely from a geo-political angle.
Allowing the Hungarians to break with the USSR/Eastern Bloc would have dramatically weakened the Soviet position in Europe and especially in the balkans (given the problems that they would soon have with Albainia).
As such I support the intervention as a legitimate and reasonable action by the USSR.

/R/LeftWithoutEdge is OK. /R/SocialistRA is fucking dope.

Shit should have been more specific, on the autism spectrum.

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It used to refer to those who supported the Soviet union after 1956 but now anarkiddies use it as their favourite term for any leninist ,Marxist or anyone who doesn't autistically screech 'red fascists' whenever the Soviet union is mentioned.

Dumbasses that believe in Nationalism. It doesn't makes me butt mad. Nothing does, it makes me cringe through.

so cute :3

Are you referring to the Albanian-Soviet split? Or something I'm not aware of? Also, do you only support the intervention on the grounds that it was necessary for internal security? Or do you feel there's truth to the claim that the Hungarian Revolution was full of fascists and liberals? Or was that all just Soviet propaganda?

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Yes.
Yes.
I mostly consider such claims to be utterly unnecessary post-hoc propaganda.

Given just how much a Hungarian - Soviet break would have damaged the position of the Eastern Bloc.
I would however be willing to consider some level of western involvement - somewhat analogous to a modern 'colour revolution'.

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Too bad I am a fat Westerner almost hitting 30 and I haven't read Bookchin yet.

Real talk comrade! Project Cybersyn or Paul Cockshott's more centralized idea of computerized central planning, which is a better model for future planned economies??

Authoritarian socialists who particularly liked Stalins brand or authoritarian socialism.

Holla Forums has all lefties.

It triggers them when people know history because (a) it shows their own ignorance or (b) reveals their sekrit epic plans.

A lot of us are ironically tankies because it fends off redditors or some dumb shit like that, really.

I personally find Paul Cockshott's to be the best model.
Primarily due to how easy it would be to integrate a central AI.

How do you feel about Srnick and William's Inventing the future? I know you're trip is a reference to Technocracy Incorporated, but how do you feel about Left Accelerationism?

I'm not familiar with it.
However if the wiki page is accurate, I find it some-what agreeable.
Of the four bullet-points listed, I can only agree with two.
Even in a post-scarcity state, I firmly believe that people need to be subject to a period of nation service so that they can appreciate the abundance they have - as such some degree of work ethic (however brief) needs to be maintained.
Correct.
While I'm not opposed to a deterministic view of the universe, I do object to the notion that communism (in any renegotiable, developed form) is inevitable.
As such I do not support accelerationism, as in my view it only helps the current capitalist hegemony.

Please do not read that as a support for reformism however.

recognisable*

I don't think Marx or any Marxist has ever said this, besides perhaps Posadas and his Communist grays, but rather they're saying the conditions for Communism (technology, productive forces, complex supply chains, large displeased masses, etc.) are a historical inevitability, and so far I'd say Marx was right in all regards. Either way, you'd probably find the book interesting.

Just a heads up. You might be banned on reddit leftist spaces just for using the word tankie. They're all tankies.

Leftypol btfo. How will we ever recover?

You can kill a board, not an idea.

Got anything to support this? Oh, wait. It's one of those "obvious" things that people need to believe in, rather than to actually investigate.

How do you explain Africa having holodomor in 2017?
How do you explain most of India not developing since 1947?
How do you explain 1921/22 famine that exceeded 1932/33 famine?
How do you explain Bonus march of starving war veterans and their families?

The answer is: you don't. Instead you ask to explain holodomor and demand "recognized" (Western) authorities to support every statement.

this is your brain on Cold War propaganda, as and said the real tankies are the same responsible for the restoring of capitalism in the USSR

A Marxist-Leninist, the most successful branch of socialism so far.

Because secretly most Anarkiddies are still in their liberal bubble. They LARP as radicals here with Stirner memes etc but are actually quite comfortable with consumerism and what daddy porky puts out for them. They don't actually do any research themselves.

Leftcoms are more woke as their criticism stems from dogmatic Marxist analysis and not from a liberal standpoint. Still, they don't provide anything of value themselves as they are massively autistic and believe everything in the entire fucking world can be reduced to Orthodox Marxism. It's like a religion to them. Us Leninists have been pragmatic because we actually considered the real world. Don't confuse pragmatism with making compromises. We never made compromises.

Are you in a tank as we speak, RedKahina?

Reminder that all Western tankies eventually become status quo liberals obsessed with idpol.

Nazis, that's called nazis.

No, Nazis and fascists are radicals, obsessed with achieving a fantastical society modeled around their unfettered manchild feelings. Liberals are reactionaries that want to maintain society as it is at all costs because no matter what they say, their only real concern is nothing changing in their personal lives.

Most of those who fancy themselves as revolutionaries more of than not become either liberal idpollers or neo-con reactionaries. It doesn't matter the ideological strand.

Also there's plenty of old Tankies still clinging to the old stuff. Losurdo, for instance, is still writing and going against the status quo, Grover Furr is another exemple of that.

lol

Grover Furr is a historian. So apperently now you are even a tankie when you research about the Soviet Union.

Grover Furr is a communist literary critic, he is specialized in english medieval lit. While his works on the history of the Soviet Union and Stalin are great and well sourced, he isn't a professional historian.
Also I was arguing against that shitty post about tankies becoming status quo liberals. He does fit the usage of tanky that Holla Forums's use, so I used him as an example(as I did with Losurdo, who isn't a historian as well but wrote extensively about history).

You think reading about continental philosophy places you closer to reality? Spouting and namedropping from your Theory literature is nothing more than posturing to fit within your social circle.

Successful at doing what? Creating dictatorships which delegate the task of coordinating capitalism to bureaucrats rather than entrepreneurs? Truly something to be proud of.

Did the bureaucrats extract surplus value? And, do you think workers did not manage their workplace in the USSR? How would your system of commodity allocation look like?

No, it just proved to be an ineffectual economic system after the initial boom period of industrializing a completely agrarian society wore off. It's a fundamental problem with central planning, as it simply creates a surplus of labor with absolutely no incentive to make things more efficient, because everyone is assigned a job.
It's just state capitalism at the end of the day, endorsed by red fascists.
read Marx

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The USSR had a steady economic growth entirely unaffected by global economic crisis until 1991. Russia would have been ten times better off today if the USSR didn't fall.

After Stalins death the USSR turned into some sort of Market Socialism.

You are retarded. Do you think you could not chose to become a doctor, a carpenter or an engineer in the USSR? You could be everything the fuck you wanted. Looks like you are just looking for excuses so you can somehow claim that the fact that the USSR didn't have unemployment is somehow a bad thing.

I'd say most labor was properly used. Sure, there was a an overproduction of grain, but you can hardly blame a country for an overproduction of grain when it was like famine central in the past.

Actually, capitalism is the system where you work in an useless job. Pic related.

How can it be state capitalism when no surplus is extracted. The USSR wasn't a kleptocracy. State capitalism is ususally a term used for the NEP.

Liberal detected

you're a dumb fuck, like all fucking tankies. go back to posting on reddit

also,
read marx
i actually have

lel stay mad

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I love when classic liberals and conservatives are so much against UBI

It's like they don't understand how capitalism works

what the fuck mechanism are those mannequins moving by