When will we get another man like Lenin?

When will we get another man like Lenin?

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when the time is right, and we will sit that time out ITT while that one memechin shitposter posts his customary epin jpeg (which is any moment now!).

We have one.
Google Jason Unhure.

Disgusting.

Stop.

As to answer your question in a more productive manner, hopefully never. The masses must direct themselves - the 20th century has made it clear that the goal of the militant vanguard must not be to direct them, but rather to give them the tools for their own self-management and to defend their assemblies from counterrevolution, be it draped in a rose, a hammer and sickle, a swastika; what must be stopped is any tendency whose goal is to implement a certain strict organization of society at gunpoint.

But the vanguard is simply an organization of the most class conscious members of the working class. Its just skimming the most class conscious workers off the top and having them educate the rest of the proletariat and help with revolution.

For once I agree with this retarded wild cat fag: marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1935/lenin-legend.htm.

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We already did, his name was Joseph Stalin.

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Hopefully never.

When history gives us one.

In 30 years when the new ""middle class"" discovers their parents are dead, they can't depend on their support anymore and they were poor all along

We don't need a new Lenin, this isn't 1917 anymore.

bahahaha

Except for that Lenin's vanguard is organized as a party. You're ignorant and probably a liberal if you think that Lenin advocated a centralized dictatorship by Politburo along the lines of what actually happened in the USSR. You're getting there if you see what Lenin advocated as anarcho-syndicalism with different terminology and a more fleshed-out notion of the inner workings of capitalism. You truly understand Lenin if you realize that he legitimately wanted the same things as other communists and anarchists, but the nature of his proposals will tragically lead to the same counterrevolutionary results every time that they're tried because they have inherent flaws.

Yes, a vanguard in the general sense of the word is just what you described. However, Lenin unwisely magnifies the semantic issues of Marxism critiqued by Bakunin in the first chapter of "Statism and Anarchy", namely that its failure to recognize the state as an institution of its own and not neutral like the concept of government (what Marxists typically refer to as "the state" is what anarchists refer to as "the government"). The purpose of a party is intrinsically tied to the genesis of the concept of a party in the first place. Parties were originally developed by and for bourgeois parliamentarians to keep themselves in office and to manage the execution of state power in a fashion according to an organized agenda. An attempt to retain this mode of organization under socialism must therefore retain the self-perpetuating, class-maintaining institution of the state, and a party must implement any ideas which it has at gunpoint by virtue of its design.

It's important to realize that State And Revolution and the April Theses were a deviation from the program articulated in What Is To Be Done, not a continuation of it. In recognizing the utmost necessity of seizing economic power to eliminate preceding political forms, as opposed to the reverse which Marx advocated, and the logical conclusion that the self-organized assemblies of the underclasses must therefore run themselves and carry out the revolution with the assistance of a vanguard protecting their independent operation from saboteurs of change, Lenin in those works takes up an anarchist stance in essence, one meshing perfectly with what platformism advocates a priori.

This, however, clashes with both the desire to organize society along very strict lines (those of Taylorism) and to introduce the hegemony of a particular ideology. If Marxist theory doesn't fully conform to reality, then Leninism demands of reality that it conforms to Marxist theory, that each and every worker be made to know that they should act this way in this circumstance. It's ridiculous once you think about it.

There is no "educating" the proletariat. They already know what they want - if the concept of the soviet itself and that these soviet councils have shown up the world over in various instances since the Parisian sections of the French Revolution isn't proof enough, then I don't know what is. Leninist ideology cannot survive in the presence of workers' councils unless it negates them by installing a Leninist party as the sole legitimate representative of the "will of the proletariat". Marx is turning in his grave, knowing that this isn't what he advocated. He always thought that Bakunin was attacking a straw man in real life - the truth is that he recognized a characteristic of Marx's thought which Marx himself didn't realize was there. Leninism simply brings it out into the light for all the world to see the flaw.

Any creedance to the thought it could be one of… us?

You don't need a "Lenin".
You need the material conditions to be there for a vanguard to rise and take over.

And the material conditions are getting closer every day.

Wait for a "Lenin" is like the Jews still waiting for the "Messiah".


And am a Leninist.

idpol is trying hard, but thankfully they are neither eloquent nor charismatic.

I'm sure a lot of people here in their heart of hearts dream that they will be the one to lead the next revolution.

12 YEARS (*WINK WINK*)
JUST YOU FUCKIN' WAIT, BUCKO

But that's completely false, the dictatorship of the proletariat does not function in the same repressive fashion as the bourgeois state does.
Yes that is the essence of engaging in revolutionary politics, to understand what has to be done in order to wither away the state.
And what is it that they want? How can you attempt to abolish the laws of value while the social relations of the old society still remain in place? False consciousness needs to be disseminated from discourse and thought through a revolutionary vanguard.

I was going to say Hitler, but close enough

Have patience, I'm working on it.

He will have to do…

He just needs to finish the hair loss already

no, but you've got me, friend.