How should I react when liberals bring up the war crimes committed by the YPG such as the cleansing of villages...

How should I react when liberals bring up the war crimes committed by the YPG such as the cleansing of villages, child soldiers, political prisoners, etc.?

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tell them that the US does way worse

I mentioned that since I am a Holla Forumsyp i am unable to genuinely bring up arguments against their liberal conspiracy theories. I have too many conspiracy theories of my own.

Westerners moralizing about the arbitrary age limit at which point it becomes acceptable to defend your family from ISIS is the height of muh privilege.

Literally didn't happen. The meme comes from an Amnesty report and the report never said they were actually doing it.
Western liberal morality where it's considered evil for teenagers to fight for their home and life against literal genocide because they haven't reached an arbitrary age yet.
Rojava has close to the smallest prison population in the world, and it's almost entirely full of Daesh fighters and collaborators.

No, I just came back from a debate at my Uni. I was obviously arguing against it but I think I looked like an idiot. Eventually they played the muh gorillion card on me.

Telling them it's a conspiracy won't work, they were quoting Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. Discarding that would have made me look like an Alex Jones tier tinfoiler.

The Turk controls human rights watch.

Thank you. This is the shitty part about debates, they are throwing these reports at you and you don't obviously have the time to read through it. They just give you "Amnesty International said this and this" and you have to somehow work with it.

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Even the UN's recent report on Syria said the ethnic cleansing accusation was a meme.

who do liberals even support in syria

The Amnesty report states it wasn't ethnic cleansing as the YPG only destroyed ~90 out of ~15000 homes in the area, Kurdish families were among those whose homes were destroyed, and the families were permitted to return. Characterizing it as ethnic cleansing is incredibly disingenuous.

What was their position on Syria?

the 'moderate' rebels :)

the FSA, which is basically a group of definitely not al qaeda sunni militias given aid by America.

All liberals are capable of vis a vis Syria is useless moralizing. I remember during the bombing of Aleppo all the libs virtue signalling on fb saying "why are we letting this happen" "we need to stop this" not realizing these sentiments just provide fuel to imperialist wars which cause more suffering.

Liberals don't even have positions on things they just have emotional responses which normally correspond to what the MSM is trying to get them to think.

Since it's liberals I would perhaps ask them if they support the Palestinians, if they do you can bring up the palestinian "war" crimes.
Also talk about Turkish suppresion of Kurds, and remind them that YPG are fighting against the Islamic state.


and if they support FSA you can mention that according to the UN FSA uses child soldiers as well.

Both the FSA and Rojava, actually, since both receive military aid from the west, majority the US.

If they come with ethnic cleansing/displacement bullshit cite the UN specifically denying that such things happend. YPG is the only Syrian faction that cooperates with international organisations because they know that their transgressions are minimal and because they are willing to fix their shortcomings.

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Almost all arrested politicians are part of factions supported by Barzani which blockades Rojava, that cooperates with a foreign power threatening to invade and that cooperated and defended factions that attacked Rojava, including ISIS and Al-Qaeda. They also dont accept any institutions of Rojava and as such boycot elections, dont license their party(you can discuss how bad this practice is among anarchistd but liberals can say nothing against that) and they dont register their demonstrations with the asayish. Closing down ADO offices was plain stupid though and should be criticised. Doubt liberals have a clue about that though.

would like these people to spend a week in Idlib and see how their beloved rebels really are. I mean the FSA literally doesn't even exist anymore.

Even pro rebel western journos never go to rebel areas in Syria to report because they know they'll be kidnapped or beheaded.

I have to wonder though if a substantial amount of it turned out to be true, would YPG supporters turn into tankies and become hardcore negationists and call everything that sounds bad bourgeois/imperialist propaganda?

Their position was FSA, muh Assad, muh PKK terror, muh socialism is always repression (they literally said that).

Once I started saying that the Hisbollah wasn't as bad as they make it out to be, they called me a leftist extremist and a Stalinist, top lel.

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Hezbollah an organization that wants to invade Israel and collapse its government and wage perpetual war on Sunni Islam, isn't so bad. Lmao at this, muh imperialism completely destroys all ethics and logic for leftists.

shut the fuck up mehmet

no one here supports KDP you fucking dipshit

The whole thing literally started because the YPG was evacuating liberated villages to clear them of landmines and booby traps.

Why talk shit about a subject you're obviously clueless in?

I didn't say I support their ideological basis. I just said to make them out as evil is retarded since there are faction in this war ten times worse than them. I haven't heard any ISIS tier crimes of them. What's up with your love for Israel?

lol you guys are so lame its fucked

Good giaour

Hezbollah don't want to wage perpetual war on Sunni Islam lmao. Shia are getting eradicated across the Middle East by Sunni extremists. Hezbollah's actions in Syria are defensive. Mad how Sunnis can have a victim complex despite being the majority sect in Islam and the main source of vulgar jihad and sectarianism.

The CIA supported the FSA. US support for YPG comes from the Pentagon.

Toppling the Israeli government sounds like a good thing.

Yeah I get what you're saying. When you look at the leftist history of uncritically supporting third world movements you wonder whether this isn't going to end up the same way. Personally I think Rojava is going to end up as a one party state, but they are still the most progressive group in the region.

lolololololololololol geo-strategically retarded people make up 90% of the population and this is why Bernie was never going to win and why Trump was always going to win. Trump's the only person who understands that ISIS is a threat and Israel is a necessary outpost in the middle east until Iran is gone

I am on mobile but I can assure you that PYD is not allowing any challenge to their power, that their supporters use tactics outside of the law to intimidate and silence some opposition(although on a limited scale) that they build the commune system in a way to ensure that it is full of their ideology and that aid is distributed through the communes and that all aid organisations are integrated into their government structure and under their controll. They forcefully conscript and make sure that their ideology is taught in school. They cooperate with terrorist organisstions and are closely related to the PKK. The local councils that are given controll over a freshly conquered area are pro SDF and general elections have still to happen(local elections allready happend). General elections will happen(they recently finished working on the law regulating these) though but I think only parties willing to accept the commune system will be allowed. Liberals will hate all of this, anarchists will criticise a lot of it rightfully. But most anarchists and other radicals will see the necissity so the new system can grab hold. And that wartime is indeed a special situation.

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That has been the case since the 60s. Read a book.

ffs

You act as if Hamas has more power and influence than those in the west bank which is false. Take your baby-tier understanding of the middle east somewhere else.

i know that, im stating it out in the open so we can discuss whether this is a good thing or not. considering they are literally facilitating arms trafficking and oil smuggling i seriously wonder what type of state they would create.

whom?

did PKK blow up your dad or something Mehmet? Can feel your Ottoman resentment radiating off this post.

Now you are just going COINTELPRO.

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Are you retarted? I'm pretty sure every single member of the Republican party things this, and probably the majority of the democrats as well.

you get a very good idea of what kind of state the PKK would create when you look at Rojava. It would be much the same, because YPG and PKK are much the same.

The PLO. Seriously fuck off. Radical Islam is a minority in Palestine and it only gained as much ground as it did because Israel funded Hamas while it was suppressing the leftist and moderate opposition.

Alex Jones has the same level of credibility as HRW and AI. Both Alex Jones and those organizations are owned by the US government and therefore their credibility is zero.

Trump's ISIS policy is the exact same as Obama's. Also stop being an Israel loving neocon cunt who wants to destroy Iran. No wonder you're a Trump supporter.

t. Phil Greaves

By telling them the only thing that ever needs to be said about war.

It's literally just Turkish propaganda.

OP here, in a debate with liberals or the mainstream in general, trying to defend the PKK is your death sentence.

You are way better off trying to keep their connection to the PKK vague. What was amazing to me was how liberals and even some alt-rightish type of guys suddenly defended Erdogan and how he has every right to smash terrorism, etc.

I feel like anti-socialism is an ideology in itself that doesn't follow any actual values or is consistent.

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You're a real wiz kid when it comes geopolitics kemosabe

yeah but it's the only correct position. fuckem if they don't agree.

I think this is a fair criticism of the PYD and Rojava which acknowledges their flaws but is also considerate of the circumstances and conditions.

no its not at all the position of the two parties, only the republicans understand that they're stuck playing war with the Iranians and Russians. Obama and HRC are true believer retards who think Iran doesn't want to nuke Saudi Arabia. The Saudis and Pakis are a threat to world peace, but Iran needs to go first. Only Trump was capable of making this clear, HRC was going to continue the make-believe narrative that iran is only developing nuclear reactors for energy needs.

HRC and Bernie were doomed to fail because they fundamentally misunderstood Assad and Iran. Iran is a threat, Assad is necessary and Russia can be mitigated. Total fucking retards

It's not a clean line but that doesn't preclude various aspects of the state from pursuing seemingly conflicting interests. There was a clear divergence of support in this conflict.
I didn't make a value judgement on it. It's just clear you don't know what you're talking about.

Iran is a threat to world peace and is the last source of power Russia has in the Near East. If they are gone then Russia will decay and collapse. NATO will have no reason to exist and Europe can be free of the geo-strategic nightmare started by Stalin 70 years ago

apo didn't nothing wrong, grey wolves deserved worse

special forces, assets who have been on the ground in syria helping the FSA and in Afghanistan helping smuggle guns and opium are helping train and fight with the Kurds. The Kurds receive JSOC tactical support on a routine basis and have been photographed by sattelites smuggling oil and guns into Turkey. Again, how am i wrong? They are being led around bu the snout by DoD spooks and Nat Sec state creeps. They are agents of the enemy

t. Completely redpilled man

t. Tankie red fascist nihilist

There's nothing wrong with PKK making money or bringing weapons into Turkey. And the vast majority of the PKK's weapons comes from the huge black market in Turkey. One of the reasons Special Forces are deployed with YPG is because the US doesn't trust YPG to not funnel things like javelins and ATGMs straight to the PKK when they receive them. YPG still have ATGMs but in small amount, and they're needed in Syria so the PKK don't get them. And they get these ATGMs off the rebels mostly.

Iraq, sorry

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Proofs?

The international definition of a child soldier is a combatant younger than 15, what the YPG does is legal abd necessary
Meme-tier roach propaganda

hahahahahaha
No they come from Iraq and Pakistan and Egypt
First of all this is true, that they would just send the weapons to the PKK. Second of all they're also there to control the flow of information and movement of Kurdish forces so the war doesn't fall apart and so the flow of drugs, weapons, refugees and oil continues. They are only ever sent in to commit mass murder and protect supplies of drugs and weapons
But, mostly from arms traffickers and assets in Turkey who may or may not be supported by clandestine interests in the Anglosphere lol

You're an idiot. Pursuing diplomatic resolutions as opposed to isolation or all out war doesn't mean the Dems don't view Iran as a threat. The nuclear deal took economic pressure off Iran by giving them access to their frozen assets and gave the IAEA a window into the program. Cutting off diplomatic relations and imposing sanctions isn't going to slow down their program. The only thing that line of thinking is going to accomplish is putting Iran's back against the wall pushing it further into a siege mentality.

They were developing nukes while signing the deal. They are still developing them right now, they're also funding Hezbollah and bloodthirsty Houthi fighters in Yemen and spreading radical islamic ideology online. So they're a virulent, imperialistic entity that needs to be annihilated just like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

t. Cheney

Saddam did nothing wrong

The rebels the YPG get ATGMs off are largely supported by Turkey actually. Because the majority of rebels are corrupt, incompetent retards. But hey, that's the partner Turkey chose.

So the flow of refugees continues? Lmao, if Turkey didn't flood Syria with weapons and jihadists then maybe you wouldn't have to worry about refugees. This war would've been over long ago if not for Turkish meddling.

Weapon trade in a warzone doesn't need the US to guarantee it either. It's almost its own black market economic sector now.

Who invited the neocon?

well funded and organized left wing terrorism, Iran, Hezbollah, Pakistan, Russia had nothing to do with what happened? Total bullshit. You don't even begin to comprehend what's going on in West Asia or why the refugee crisis is coming to a head, why human trafficking is in the mainstream media, why there was a movie making arms traffickers look like good-guy opportunists and why Russia is so viciously protecting its narrative for being in Syria. total fucking autistic rube. Super fucking stupid

God I love how you think you are some visionary free thinker when your literally just repeating neocon talking points. Iran wouldn't nuke KSA/Israel, they would be an international pariah forever. Iran is not going to even attack the KSA conventionally because the USA would always step in.


How exactly do you propose getting rid of Iran its a country of sixty million people you can't just make it disappear. Unless you are willing to commit to an Iraq War type invasion and reconstruction than you are stuck trying to improve relations with them.

Ask him if he confused about ISIS and if this liberal say that ISIS is the real good guys to some extent, don't humor the faggot.

kek
au contraire, if Russia has strong enough geo-strategic advantage and has secure access to oil, client states and backing from china they absolutely would nuke Israel. Especially if a certain President one day turned on the Israelis because of certain parties swaying his view on the merchants
Special forces and tactical nukes, no mass murder is necessary. Just a greenlight and an understanding from Putin that he won't interfere
No the Ayatollah can eat shit(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

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Flynn get back to work and stop trolling on Holla Forums

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i'm having a grand old time, hope you are too

Kick them in the head for believing blatant lies.

You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. All crimes will be justified retroactively once we save the world.

Neocons aren't invited, they make up an excuse, crash the meeting, peddle crap made by them and his their friends, steal your oil and bomb your house with a daisy-cutter.