The JonTron Controversy

So what happened? I didn't follow any of it. Is he a racist now?

He's uneducated and therefore said a lot of shit that is racist, but he somehow could not comprehend how. I don't think JonTron is a racist, per-se, but I do think he's a fucking idiot.

He's a Sargon tier liberal

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Kys

He's a borderline racist like PJW, could be further into molymeme territory but there is no proof, I think he'll get there in a year or two.

who gives a shit

He's absolutely correct and I really don't care

But…

He said some things on a stream, rasial realism type stuff, garden variety. People flipped their shit, because millennial are more sensitive to these things than older generations are.

They petitioned to have him removed from the voice-cast of a game, which happened soon enough. Then he came out and gave a meek apology.

A fart in a bottle.

Jon "The Aryan" Tron

None of it was 'racist', it was basicly a liberal goading him into making obvious points about race and crime that, that the Liberal thinks stating them mean you are Hitler.

Jon "From Iran Comes an Hitlerian" Tron

No, I saw Jon Tron equating race with culture, talking about muh white interests, and spouting shit that was plainly untrue and obviously sourced from Holla Forums images. I don't know how you can accidentally sound like a racist. It's pretty easy to make points about crime and not sound like a racist. Jon Tron is just a fucking idiot.

Race realism is incontrovertible and demographic replacement is happening before our eyes everyone will wake up to it eventually.

Isn't he of Iranian descent?

He got offended when Destiny told him he wouldn't qualify as white.

They shouldn't have gotten him kicked from the game for being an idiot.


John "Putting the Aryan back in Iranian" Tron

It'll be funny when daddy Trumpo "omg, everyone said he would lose!" nukes his cousins.

That game is cool
you and I are pals now

I don't agree with that either. I think Jon could be reasoned with, in fact, he seemed to realize that he said some very stupid things, but his arguments should get shut down instead of his livelihood. You shouldn't get fired or fucked over financially for having the wrong opinion, especially if you're just misguided instead of malicious.

He was talking factually about demographics, the reason people are worried about the deeply triggering and problematic narrative is demographics. The part about post white society being better based on what evidence? You need more than that and Liberals have nothing.

He realised they were trying to end him, that is all, and it doesn't bring people to the left.

What.

Did he really? How did he eract exactly? I mean, isn't he half slav half Iranian? How the hell did he think he would qualify in the first place?

Agreed 101%. You don't take a living away from people. John Tron isn't some bourgie exploiter, just someone who has a moderately comfortable entertainment job that pays moderately, being himself exploited by Google.

yes because discussing demographics means its all about racial demographics
like the 99% white utopias of eastern kentucky and west virginia. its a thriving region with no drug overdoses, no deaths caused by eating shitty processed food or living like cattle for the elites, no gun deaths and no strife whatsoever

Except that nobody is arguing that this should be a goal apart from other racists. People are saying that this is going to happen based on people making free association and choices. The only way you can oppose what we've projected to be the future is to be opposed to choice and free association. White's aren't being killed or genocided. They just have low birth rates. And in either case, American culture isn't going to be destroyed. It's going to change, and change isn't positive or negative on its own. But his posts made it look like he thought white majorities needed to be preserved at the cost of letting people do whatever the fuck they want. This is a white nationalist talking point. Don't be obtuse.

What the fuck is so wrong with being racist nowadays? It used to be strange not to be proud of your own race and just fully accepting of everyone else's no questions asked.

It's just when white people say anything at all though right? /leftypol fucking nigger cock riders. 90% white I'm sure but all traitors who are too lazy to live a relatively successful life and follow their proper, conversative parents footsteps and would rather fuck everything with a hole and be a burnout relishing the world burning.

I think he said something along the lines of:
And Destiny stopped that line of argumentation.

careful with that edge

where are you getting this from? there were Romans who looked down on people for being non Romans even though they were very similar genetically. there were Ethiopians who looked down on Somalis because they were different religions, the japanese and koreans hate each other and to an outsider they seem like the same people. People were proud of their people, there tribe if you will, but that depended on what you meant by THEIR people, it extended beyond their ethnicity. even in america you think the Irish Americans liked their English american overlords? you think Italian Americans liked it when they were lynched by other European Americans, you think they liked that the people tying the noose were similar genetically? i was born working class, my father was born working class, i am proud when someone from the working class succeeds not some rich person who had everything handed to them. its always interesting to see that those who spout about ethnic supremacy usually have nothing going on in their own lives.

which would not be possible among Americans who are of parenting age without government control over industry and inequality, its funny how the more power we give to capitalists the worse this country gets for POOR people, of any ethnicity

also traitors to what exactly?

we have a thread for e-celeb shit now

Why don't you take a minute to calm your autism and try that again.

Because tribalism is cancer and is never-ending, even in homogenic countries.

This is the liberal argument, post white societies blah blah blah, that even half Iranian dipshits know will be a disaster

Well, I'm not a liberal, but I still haven't seen a liberal arguing that this is the goal. I think Holla Forums has been rotting your brain because you seem to take conspiracy theories at face value now.

you do realize practically no one on this board is "liberal" right?

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This.

FFS, he was arguing with a Liberal, not Holla Forums

no thank you sir

You haven't seen a Liberal argue that diversity is the best thing to happen and America will be great when whites are a minority? Of course you have.

Alt-Right Fucked his head.

No, actually, I haven't. I know you love to think racist SJWs are the norm, but they're not and they don't make policy. I have, however, seen many of you cry over demographics and try to pretend that you can maintain a free country while also denying people the right to choose or freely associate.

no :^)

Only a retard would think idpol-tier "we gotta keep the country white" is a "good" talking point. You have to go back

Race is a practically useful concept its not biologically real land humans have never split into distinct sub species. There is literally not a single shred of evidence that there are phylogenetic subspecies of homo sapiens. Its still useful and most of the Holla Forums tier arguments about intelligence are vaguely correct. But, the race realism shit is laughable

Destiny is not that smart dude.

Lol, I wonder why Jon never asked his dad to go back to Iran. Fucking immigrant diluting the gene pool.

I insist mister underage faggot

Hilarious thing is that millennials are going to end up with their shit pushed in 100x harder by reality as a result of not comprehending uncomfortable truths about humanity.

it says voluntary, fuck off

No ;^)

Pic related.

Keep telling yourself that. Egalitarianism is a meme.

someone needs to officially name this

You need to take that flag off

People reporting this thread, read the OP of /leftytrash/:

You need to read Bookchin.

Kys

I don't get it, they all look fine to me.

I bet if you skinned them, they'd look the same.

Okay. I'll spoon feed you his point then.
We're not equal, but we don't need to be in order to treat each other decently.

Literally a nazi right?


Was I implying anything else?

So shitting up e-celeb threads is okay? I got it girl.

You do realise that's a running meme on this board? Lurk more.

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You prolly should not have used a Holla Forums tier bait photo

Nobody ever said that everyone is completely equal, and that's not what egalitarianism means. Learn to read words before you think of "spoonfeeding" someone else, shit for brains.

Diversity =/= hierarchy
Acknowledging differences is not the same as value judgements.

I know, but there's a retard that has unironically been arguing that Bookchin isn't a shit-tier faggot that believed in class collaboration.

Who gives a fuck?

Look I can agree with you but don't get mad when people misunderstand you message because you chose an ambiguous image in the style of frequent Holla Forums race-realism bait

I guess egalitarianism means we're all different? Equality is a myth and a delusion, and relishing in it does nothing to abolish exploitation and improve material conditions.


There's more than one of us you know.

all different ethnicities of humans yes whats the matter?

You're so edgy and cool, breaking paradigms everywher.

Those populations are - or have been for most part - genetically isolated (from each other). That is the definition of race/sub-species/"populations". This "races don't exist" position is just a semantics game. And only bringing up 19th century pseudoscience is as disingenuous as using alchemy to debunk modern chemistry.
Polyps being wrong doesn't make us all the same.


The principle of innate equality is irreconcilable with the idea that material conditions affect personal development.
And no. This shouldn't be an "edgy" position. But modern liberalism makes it one.

We got to keep the country white? The country is changing by choice, that is the point. His point were not to be a minority, the country isn't white anymore for a start, that is policy, not magic.

The benefits of a non white majority population are not clear to most people, if nothing else happens alongside it, and idpol is the only solution both sides can use in this scenario, if revolution doesn't occur, which it won't if new majority hispanics just do the same thing and run it their way taking their cut, nothing changes, country gets worse and more corrupt.

If there is no revolution, a white country is a better under capitalism than non white under capitalism, sorry, that is how it is.

Joke's on you, my parents are also leftists

Why is it that I can't find myself to give a shit about internet drama anymore?
Am I getting too old to care about this bullshit?

Non whites need whites but whites do not need need non whites!

#raceconsciousness

It means you treat everyone equal, dipshit.
Except nobody ever said that everyone was completely equal, only that they deserve equal treatment. Congratulations on being illiterate.

And why should we all be treated equally if we're not equal?

Besides, we all have different needs (that can overlap).

Because doing otherwise results in injustice. Otherwise why are you even a socialist? Oh, right, Bookchin liked class collaboration. Against the wall you go, faggot.

Icelanders actually arent that genetically isolated
their gene pool is split between Norwegian and Gaelic. the female genes in iceland are about 2/3rds irish and the rest norweigan
and with males its about 20-25% irish
the first ring of settlers to iceland were Norwegians but then about 30 years after that a new wave of Norwegians who had a few years earlier settled in the British isles came from western Scotland and eastern Ireland. many speculate whether the women were captured or they had just intermarried, or if they had some irish slaves
either way many vikings stayed in ireland and later affected the genetics of that island as well.

I know you are a false flagging Holla Forumsyp, but how do you measure the qualities of a person? Who gets to decides what good and bad qualities are?

Stop embarrassing yourself.


And you keep telling us you are not spreading Pol propaganda… Hmmm…

I'm not denying that. Icelanders are indeed related to surrounding populations. Similar to the Irish and the other examples.
However the key phrase is Isolated from each other.
This is an important distinction, and one the polyps nextdoor routinely ignore.


Let go of those spooks and stop equating difference with value.

Equality requires the abandonment of all standards. The moment you begin judging a person's qualities you make them unequal to others.

That is but a small part of the innate inequality of individuals.
You're also the only one here equating ethnicity with race.

Polyps argue that because we're different we should just kill each other in a great battle royale.
Again. That's not the same as acknowledging differences. One is reasonable, the other is mental illness.

hello, rightist who thinks harrison bergeron was a satire on socialism

NazBol with secular-humanist characteristics.

Yet another reminder that so many people on Holla Forums are former Holla Forums who will probably end up back on Holla Forums

Said some "racist" things (some true, some false), which pissed off liberals
And they removed his voice acting from Yooka Laylee, but that game is likely going to be quite shit anyway
Nothing special, but its entertaining to watch this unfold

Stop posting with that YPG flag you fucking nazbol

Tell me more about how your ethnicity and genes that have formed to protect you form your environment determine your capabilities in society..

Stop drinking the liberal kool-aid.


Just as genes are involved in protecting people from their environment, they also influence attributes of intelligence, physical development, etc.
An extreme example of this is the aboriginals (australoids) in Australia. Which overall score lower than average on ÍQ tests even when adjusted for family income and upbringing.

However the point is that this is something we can overcome. Genetic illness is already something that is being cured, thus removing that burden from future generations. This in turn gives more people the chance at a healthy and satisfying life.
Basically making us more "equal" in the sense of elevating everyone to the highest level. This is what Bookchin talked about, even though he didn't explicitly argue this point within the framework of technology.

This dogmatic belief that we're all equal does nothing to fix the problems of this world. It's the philosophical equivalent of sticking your head in the sand.

Believing the bullshit you do, despite everyone who has actually worked and studied in the field, is sticking your head in the sand.

Instead, try dunking your head in bleach.

Wow, so you agree with me.


Great, but now we're on a different page because you have a hard time grasping the concept of equality. Stop being an autist anytime.

I always thought of Egalitarianism as treating people with respect and common decency and giving them a fair shot at all opportunities regardless of differences.


I feel like this is a very subtle strawman against egalitarianism concerning "treating." Holding the door open for someone with their hands full but not holding it open for someone else doesn't suddenly make someone not an egalitarian.

The sad part about the straw man of political equality is that these people essentially believe that they are ubermensch being held back by inferiors. No one ever thinks they'd get the shit end of that stick.

Gulag yourself.

Not him, but do you honestly believe there is no genetic component involved in things like intelligence in aboriginal communities? And studies have no debunked it at all.

It's pure ideology to get the vapours and reject it because it's uncomfortable.

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Yes, indeed. Well argued my lad I just wish the rest of leftypol would rise up and abandon this ridiculous dogma forced onto us by the media and the west from the 1970s onwards. Not everyone is a nazi and not everyone is a racist, it's common sense to not go more than knee-deep on one side or the other. Put your puzzle together out of pieces from multiple places… gather information not dogma.

Hi Holla Forums

I've yet to see his debate with Destiny so that I can find out just what he believes in, but from what I understand: because JonTron was one of the first people to speak out during GamerGate, he ended up being associated with the likes of Sargon of Akkad, ergo other YouTubers like MisterMetokur (InternetAristocrat), but promptly got cold feet when media outlets like Kotaku started to launch a defamation campaign against anyone that was involved. However, Jon more or less sticked around as unofficial "background support" leading him to get meme'd really hard by the other GG YouTubers, which culminated into Jon being convinced of stuff like "wealthy blacks do more crime than poor whites/wealthy blacks still have lower I.Q. than poor whites".

What are the graphs that say this, and are there any legit and respectable refutations to these claims? It seems that the "wealthy blacks/poor whites" argument is the only real counterargument against the Leftist/materialist analysis of the plight of black people. The only thing I know of to counter this counterargument is that graph that showed that Somali children in the UK did better in schools than poor whites

haha no.

Hey, retard:

If there's as much infighting in socialist utopia as there is between BO and the Vols we're in for an eternity of purges.