The Holla Forums influence

Reminder that our Facebook pages have tens of thousands of likes, and many of the normies consuming our memes are now actively organizing in their local community. Lately it seems like every other lefty I meet is a follower of DCMFCP and Comemenism, and is getting REDpilled against idpol and brought over to our way of thinking.

How the fuck did Holla Forums get so big and influential, when you can't even find it on google? What should we be doing with our power and secrecy?

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libcom.org/files/WorkersAgainstWork-Seidman_0.pdf.
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We need to take over reddit. Right now /r/socialism and /r/LateStageCapitalism is the first thing people see when they look for socialism on reddit, and it's terrible.

Stop believing in meme magic. Do you think Holla Forums was a relevant factor to the election result as well? Ten thousand teens following a meme page is compleatly inconsequential.

The people who like our pages are literally the vanguard in many cities now. The fact that we have the ears and eyes of IRL organizers is actually significant.

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Given what's happening in Rojava, Bookchin is becoming fairly popular. His ideology is quite relevant to the contemporary left, but also rejects id pol. We can reform the left by sharing Bookchin memes.

Bookchin is retarded though.

Lenin and Marx were both anti-idol, and they're also getting more popular.

Lenin and Marx's ideas are anachronistic, and ill-suited to contemporary capitalism. The continued dogmatic adherence to these ideas, as if they have any relevance today without being significantly modified to suit the contemporary mode of social organisation, is a part of (to quote Marx) "[t]he tradition of all dead generations [which] weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living."

Bookmeme is from a dead generation as well. The only revolutionary perspective in the current cycle of struggles is that of communization.

No they fucking aren't. Contemporary capitalism is still capitalism. Bookchin is an ideologue and promotes irrational spooks.

I hope you're trolling, because to suggest that neoliberal capitalism is the same as capitalism in the industrial revolution is preposterously naive. And do you somehow think that Lenin or Marx are not ideologues?

Imageboards wield a disproportionate amount of influence over the wider web culturally. Always been the case.

You've been here under two months and are mimicking the locals, aren't you?

what i did to make the original page so large so fast was use the friendly connections i have with the admins of large, generic meme pages like "creme de la meme" (rip), "avant-garde memes from china", "orange memes" (also rip now) and a few bordering-on-idpol-but-still-lefty pages like "satirical satire of ironic satire", "comemenism" and "i play korn to my dmt plants" and have them share Holla Forums classics like the adorno cultural marxism webm. it's next to impossible to get a starting audience without begging for shares or comment-whoring on larger pages and these connections with the admins i already had made it even easier. once we got to at least 2k likes the ball was rolling and no more help was needed, just frequent new shitposts. a few months ago one of the admins finished a bot that auto-uploads and drafts everything from our booru, meaning if we're ever dry on OC we can get out the goods with the click of a button.

sorry to hurt your [current year] sensitivities bub if you want to shill and force memechin you'll have to start your own Holla Forums-affiliated page. (imho) his ideas are utopian and pale in usefulness when compared to both vanilla and contemporary developments in marxist theory.


despite being somewhat skeptical and convinced the movement isn't very revolutionary or anti-capitalist at all, i do in fact support rojava because it's a progressive force in the sea of reaction that is the middle east. one of our admin sometimes posts rojava-related stuff too.

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That's some pretty nice words. They your own? I think it raises a good point. Marx is right about the flaws he points to. Time for the left to present 21st century solutions.

How do you democraticise or socialise a bank? Microsoft? A sandwich shop? Factories, fine though today you'd end up with 30-40 people owning a factory that would have 150 years ago been split 600 ways.

For all your good words left/pol/, I rarely see shit like this discussed.

No, I'm ridiculing the idea that memes can be a force in society, as op is suggesting.

"an idea that captures the minds of the masses becomes a material force."
t. lenin

I have my doubts memes are gonna turn the working class class councious, but I would like to be proven wrong.

Google 'Torches of Freedom' then STFU.

I'm starting to be sold on parallel structures and being there for a serious crash. Dare I say it, a… skeleton state.

Meme magic is more being autistic about post numbers to the point of ruining a thread, posting a frog repeatedly and pretending to be a wizard in the shower so you don't get goats blood on your mom's cream carpet. Peddling ideas to people through easily digestible content is more propaganda than meme magic.

Big shout out to whoever runs the DCMFCP page. They BTFO out of anyone that comes to the page to argue whether they are idpol libs or reactionaries. They clearly put a lot of time and effort into the page

I'm on the executive committee of our local Labour Party and helped shoot down a resolution to get the Labour Party to lobby the government to increase sanctions against Russia and Syria.

Albeit we need to be influential when we're actually in government.

Sounds nice but then who suppresses the Free Market™. I mean I guess if MoP had already been socialised or fully democratised it might work. It still leaves a gaping hole in the intermediate tho.

It is because KEK favors us. While the stormniggers only make the most facile gestures towards a chaotic society, at the end of the day they still wish to go BACKWARDS. We on the other hand, call communism "the movement that abolishes the present state of things." Hence, we are his TRUE champions. COMMUNISM is the dankest meme, the meme to end all other memes. COMMUNISM will drown the world in eternal darkness, for "darkness" is a bourgeoisie idea, used to justify the "light", ie PIG muh privilege. DO NOT FALTER IN YOUR WORSHIP, COMRADES. LET THE SHADOW REALM ENTER YOU, PASS THROUGH YOU, AND ERUPT INTO THIS UNHOLY WORLD IN EXPLOSIVE, CUMMUNAL RAPTURE.

PRAISE KEK.

you forget: what are the people who browse facebook in majority? working class. they can all be revolutionary subjects in a time of insurrection. if you look at page reviews you'll see people are genuinely changed by our content.

but yeah, while this won't really bring us closer to the revolution, what it will do is provide an ideological counter-balance to the pervasive influence of both the liberal left and populist right on facebook. that already is good a huge boon to our cause because it creates an opening where we at least have some kind of foothold and influence on the discourse.


thanks. credit for this mostly goes to two specific admins of the page: one very well-read autodidact and one university graduate of philosophy with a degree in ethics and epistemology. page would be low energy without their activity in the comments section.

the goal is order from chaos. We offered the world Ron Paul and it spat in our face. You only had to listen.

Seems coherent that lurkers vastly outnumber posters

>this is considered a positive thing
Maybe I'm getting too old for imageboards.

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Don't forget De-classcucking Memes for Non-Sectarian Proles
facebook.com/DCMNSP/

I don't really think so. Idk why you would lurk on an image board its not like reddit where you have to worry about looking stupid. There are no accounts or voting system.

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Eh this isn't the best idea on its own. Holla Forums thought they could do this, and they did spread a factor of their ideology there to a great extent, but it ended with Reddit taking over Holla Forums more than the other way around. If you're going to do this it has to be more subtle than how Holla Forums did it.

Agreed, we don't want to actively shill Holla Forums, we want to shill our ideas.

I almost think sometimes that /r/Socialism is just COINTELPRO.

Yeah, we can't have anybody with a basic knowledge of military structure and tactics in our revolution.

Oh boy finally an opportunity to post this.

I was just thinking about this. I think that we need to focus on generating the talking points that ultimately end up in those places, but keep the idea that it's even coming from a chan site somewhat subdued. A big part of what de-legitimizes the "alt-right" for quite a few people in our intended audience is the knowledge that much of the language being used originates from 4chan. The optics surrounding such a connection, even with the knowledge that the board itself advocates a completely different ideology, are less than optimal.

It's not identical, but IT'S STILL FUCKING CAPITALISM, and Marx and Lenin are still totally relevant.

Yeah, they weren't. They based their arguments on history and theory, and that's why they were right all the time.

You better make sure the porn in the booru doesn't get posted lmao.

Active users are people who posted in the past 3 days. There are clearly a few thousand or more people posting every month, and probably over a hundred thousand lurkers.

Hey admin, can you please try to post some stuff that promotes the necessity of the party and collective power? Jodi Dean, Lenin quotes, idk. I think a lot of people who like your page are probably still against or afraid of real (existing) revolution, and believe the individualism spook.

Please stop being sectarian ML. Or we need a page for anarchists and communalists that you cross shill in solidarity.

Elitism and board nationalism have no place on a leftist board. That's just how it is.

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You guys wanna fuck with a Holla Forumsl? Consider it revenge for them raiding ours the other day?

the pages already mostly don't mention Holla Forums. but if they got secretive about it, then it would make them/us look suspicious.

Shaping the "zeitgeist" with our terms and ideas wont bring a world revolution, but it will help to counteract right wing populist rhetoric.

Yeah that is definitely true. I don't think it should be secretive, but we definitely have to act with more nuance/subtlety than the overt bullshit Holla Forums employed.

Reminder that there are 65,536 potential users for every user counted in the active user stat.
8ch.net/activeusers.html

You know people who consume fedbook memes dont neccecarily browse leftypol and vice versa, right?

post an example of what you want so i can have a better idea and i'll see to it.


we don't have a single ML on the page. the page is sectarian in the sense that some ideologies like social democracy, national bolshevism and market socialist that are explicitly anti-communist won't pass but we make fun of everything.

i would definitely do that. if anyone decides to make a Holla Forums-run anarcho or communalism page i'll help you get started.

also general PSA: if anyone from Holla Forums wants to join the page just PM with some OC or what qualities you think you could add to the fold and you're in.

that's not really what those stats mean at all.

Here Jodi Dean talks point-by-point about the reasons we need to be Communists and have a Party.
youtube.com/watch?v=ZhUvNkJve-w
Her books could be worth going through to quote.

What are your tendencies then?

i have some webm excerpts of that talk, and we have uploaded some in the past. i'll see which ones we haven't yet and upload those in the near future, k?


a few marxist communists without adjectives, one anarchist without adjectives and the rest doesn't really have any real current it subscribes to.

AH, so you sniveling WEAKLINGS thought that you could deceive the great KEK? You are NOTHING, nothing but schemers, plotters, ridiculous utopianists ALL OF YOU KEK is the grand master of chaos, the harbinger of darkness, and you petty mortal fools thought you could use his power for yourself?


THIS IS THE WILL OF KEK. HERETICS AND DECEIVERS SUCH AS YOURSELF HAVE ONLY BEGUN TO TASTE HIS WRATH. YOUR SILLY DELUSIONS OF ORDER AND PEACE WILL BE ERADICATED. ALL SHALL SUCCUMB TO THE ONCOMING COMMUNIST TIDE, ALL THAT IS SOLID SHALL MELT, ALL THAT IS REAL SHALL FADE AWAY.

What a dumb pseudo bitch. The horizontalizm and libertarianism IS the left learning from its mistakes and realizing that no matter how hard you try or how good you think you are, authoritarianism only has one outcome. The Left has been weak much longer than '89, and she'd know this if she didn't labor under the delusion that ML states were actually Leftist. There's no real Left not because they're afraid of power, but because the system is that stable and capable.

It's been months since I browsed there regularly. I hadn't realized they'd gone so far off the rails. I checked LSC today and they had a sticked post of some teenagers flipping off the "victims of communism" memorial. Obviously the VoC foundation is a trash-tier US propaganda front, but how can they not realize how cringy that is? Almost nobody is going to see that kind of picture in a positive light if they don't know about that organization.

Doesn't LSC ban ultras too, or am I misremembering?

enlightening.
so does horizontalism and "libertarianism" have the outcome of authoritarianism. history also taught us that every anarcho attempt at doing thing horizontally eventually defeated its own principles and power was established by necessity. they then failed hard because they had to establish these power structures on the fly instead of knowing the need for power is invariant in any form of politics. "anarchist" spain under the CNT-FAI had fucking labor reeducation camps, a secret police and a defacto state ffs: libcom.org/files/WorkersAgainstWork-Seidman_0.pdf.
she's not attributing everything to the left's fear of power and she is not ML (the same talk explicitly critiques ML regimes too).
people like you have either never actually looked at the only few mass movements the left has been involved with like OWS or consciously ignore the reality of what went on.

our failures have never rested on taking power: they have rested upon using taken power properly in a situation where international revolution was defeated.

Regarding analysis, yes, I'd agree, but on the question of strategy and praxis, I'd say their ideas were more fit for their times, and sticking to "workers councils" or "vanguards" will become more and more difficult.