I recently got into an argument about politics with a friend. I'm really bad at arguing so could you help me out...

I recently got into an argument about politics with a friend. I'm really bad at arguing so could you help me out? He's basically asking why class is not an identity? How does own explain class in simple terms and contrast it to things such as gender or "race".

Class is an identity. It also isn't "merely" an identity. If everyone decided to stop being racist tomorrow… Well you'd still have a lingering disadvantage due to history but things would improve immensely and probably continue to do so. If everyone decided to stop being classier tomorrow everyone maintains the exact same relationship to the means of production.

It describes your relation to a material thing, namely some productive feature. So if every relation to the material is an identity, then your identity would change every time you took off your shoes.

Why are we even trying anymore?

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Class is objective.

I used to date a guy with white skin and brown hair who identified as black because his mom was half black and half white.

Even though everyone he knew and interacted with thought we was white he was "black."

No amount of mental gymnastics you do changes weather or not you have a million dollars in a bank account or weather or not you own a buisness/private property.

Class interests conflict; the bourgeoisie always wants more profits and the proletariat always wants higher wages. There two are locked in eternal conflict. Making it so that there is only one class means there is no significant conflict at all. Identities such as race, however, are basically unimportant, there's no reason people of every race can't coexist peacefully

I just wish I could explain it so maybe I'll do some good.

Thanks for the answers.

OP just so you know is a retard and most people here would not agree with what they said.Class is not an identity.

go back you fag

The only reason people wouldn't agree with him, is if they are mentally challenged and do not realize a thing can be multiple other things.
The sky is not only blue, but also big.

Stop being retarded

OP here. I still don't get how I would rationally explain to another person how it's not an identity without then getting the response that gender or race are also idendity but also real.

Because while it's possible to say "I was born a woman but I identify as a non-binary genderfluid trans-helicopter" and likewise you could argue about certain people belonging to this and that race (as evidenced by "are people of X ethnicity whites or niggers?" threads on /int/), it would be pretty hard to pull out "I might be a blue-collar worker but I identify as a CEO"

Maybe to you and me this is clear, but I'm talking about someone who still believes in clear cut gender so saying "I was born a woman but I identify as a non-binary genderfluid trans-helicopter" is something that's impossible for them as well.

Then don't bring up gender.

When will you commie retards learn?

I brought it up already so there's that.


Everyday until you like it.

not an argument

No, if you learned anything you would give yourself over to reason. Not blindly follow an ideology that has never worked.


Ok bud.

You have Socialism to thank for your comfortable lifestyle, retard.

You misspelled capitalism, friend.

Labour movement if anything

How "reasonable" capitalism is (this includes the "alt-right" and all flavors of liberalism, there is no way around the fact that capitalism is objectively not in my interest.

>>>/reddit/

kll yourselves

Fuck off, I see these "guys help me in an argument" threads from time to time on Holla Forums

Wage slaves want to stop being wage slaves, they don't want to more fully discover their inner wage slavery so as to more fully realize themselves as wages slaves and liberate themselves from evil communists who want to stop them from being wage slaves.
Your friend is retarded and should kill xirself.