I can smell their fear

Maybe take a shower hippy.

Sounds like lefty/pol/ to me.

In what way does communism require hundreds of millions of people to live? Each person that doesn't produce food is a net negative under communism. While under capitalism these people are needed to sell their labour and purchase goods to keep the economy growing.

I don't remember that massive food shortage that led to millions starving to death in the west.

There have actually been quite a few due to maldistribution.

Ireland in 1845, Bengal in 1942, American dirt farmers in the Great Depression…

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errrr….

And I wonder who's behind this post..

fuck off Clintonites, desperate fucks

I hate to respond to b8 but this is wrong, capitalists sell mainly to other capitalists which is why the underconsumptionist theories trotted out by liberals and pseudo-Marxist social democrats that is trot out every four years is nothing but a shit meme.

This is why capitalism can kill millions of people through exploitation, lack of medical care and overwork every year and why it doesn't collapse.

An estimated 400 million preventable deaths have been lost under capitalism since just 1995:
washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/crimes-against-humanity-01-poverty-murder-over-400-million-people-since-1995-more-than-all-wars-in-recorded-history.html

All in all, its likely that billions of preventable deaths/outright murders have been caused by capitalism since its inception. It's estimated by one scholar that the figure of global avoidable mortality worldwide since 1950 is 1.3 billion

sdonline.org/46/body-count-global-avoidable-mortality-since-1950/
globalbodycount.blogspot.com

Hell, despite all the muh 100 gorrillion nonsense, the cigarette industry on its own killed 100 million people in the 20th century–and it had known its product was harmful to human health since at least the 1920s.

hmmmm clearly capitalisms fault that a disease killed potatoes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytophthora_infestans

Show me how an Indian famine was caused by capitalism.

The market crash was caused by capitalism, but market crashes don't cause things like the great depression. I don't remember people starving to death in 2008. Saying the great depression was the fault of capitalism is bullshit, frankly.

Really makes you think.

then become a capitalist.

It is not the job of people with money to save those without. I have no moral or legal need to do so, let them save themselves. By your logic its also a failure of socialism, nationalism, the save the whales movement and every other group, idea and people for not preventing these deaths.

Speculation.

Those evil capitalists, FORCING people to smoke.

Daily reminder to report all $$$shareblue$$$ shills.

So, keeping in line with this logic, you support riots and looting too, correct? I mean, people are saving themselves, and not relying on "those with money" to save them.

The cigarette companies actually DO force 3rd world countries to allow them to do business freely. They will literally overthrow the government if it imposes regulations on cigarette sales.

Deaths by famines in socialist countries can be "disproved" in same way you did an you are at the fraction of muh 100 gorilion

Hey fam, tell me why do you think America has been active in wars since most of its history?

OH BOY DO I HAVE AN HISTORICAL EVENT FOR YOU
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

You only think that because your in an echo chamber

Rioting and looting is stealing, are people stealing bread? No, they're stealing Iphones and TVs. Things they don't need.

So no, I don't support theft.

Do they force people to smoke? To buy the cigarettes? Yes? No?

Are you claiming capitalism wouldn't have incentivized people in China or Russia to produce food to sell, rather than having the food taken from them by socialists, having no reason to make more food than they personally needed to survive, creating famines?

Please try.

See

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytophthora_infestans

Did capitalism genetically engineer a plant disease in 1845? I'm guessing not.

Did the soviets engineer weather altering technology in the 1930's? I'm guessing not.

These companies FORCE countries to allow them to operate. They FORCE the countries to allow them to sell cigs to KIDS to GET THEM HOOKED, IE, ADDICTED. WHEN YOU ARE FUCKING ADDICTED, YOU KEEP FUCKING SMOKING.

I think he's more of a suckdem

I'll consider it if you admit that your a complete fucking retard that knows nothing about the economic system that you espouse.

Let's review, you said capitalism can't kill hundreds of millions of people because it needs the consumer base, I said that's not fucking true because they rely more on trade with other capitalists then regular consumers. Since you didn't really have an argument you just deflected and therefore your argument that capitalism can't kill as many people as communism due to its economic need for consumerism is complete speculation and should be disregarded entirely.

In the real world, on the other hand there is plenty of evidence regarding capitalism's history, even coming from people who are capitalists or enthusiastic supporters of capitalism as well as the historical record, that it has killed millions upon millions of human beings in the course of its history.

And that is not limited to indirect/unintentional mass mortality but plenty examples abound of deliberate genocides orchestrated from capitalist countries from 19th century colonialism (Belgian Congo, extermination of indigenous peoples across the settler-nations etc.) to the world wars and the war on terror.

You've yet to prove your thesis on even the theoretical plane let alone show that things work that way in capitalism's real world application.

Oh, and let me just play out our little conversation

Records show that Irish lands exported food even during the worst years of the Famine. When Ireland had experienced a famine in 1782–83, ports were closed to keep Irish-grown food in Ireland to feed the Irish. Local food prices promptly dropped. Merchants lobbied against the export ban, but government in the 1780s overrode their protests.[79] No such export ban happened in the 1840s.[80]

>Throughout the entire period of the Famine, Ireland was exporting enormous quantities of food. In the magazine History Ireland (1997, issue 5, pp. 32–36), Christine Kinealy, a Great Hunger scholar, lecturer, and Drew University professor, relates her findings: Almost 4,000 vessels carried food from Ireland to the ports of Bristol, Glasgow, Liverpool, and London during 1847, when 400,000 Irish men, women, and children died of starvation and related diseases. She also writes that Irish exports of calves, livestock (except pigs), bacon, and ham actually increased during the Famine. This food was shipped under British military guard from the most famine-stricken parts of Ireland;

the british government at the time made them export food when they were having a famine you idiot. of course capitalism didn't engineer a plant disease in 1845, but it pushed out the one thing that would have relieved the famine, food reserves.
Read some actual history books and drop The Fountainhead you Randroid.

Ireland was exporting food throughout the great famine. People died because of muh free trade, not the blight.

And why do you think potatoes had become the primary foodsource despite the blight being well known? Adam Smith warned that any attempt to base the food supply on potato would be disrupted by potato blight. It was the capitalist trade gobbling up the local produce that pushed people toward the only food that could feed people with what little land remained.

When you believe communism is evil because people will die, but when pointed out that 400 million people are left to die under capitalism it's okay because "let them save themselves."

nice :^)

Who actually buys these books?

ancaps and people like them

Libraries. At least that's where I saw this one.

There was more than enough food to feed the people of Ireland during the potato famine. Brits just exported back to Britain.

What fear? Is just a clickbait title to make it a masive seller that's probably going to be in every store. Great propaganda

I just had an idea

If I had the skills to write a book I wouldn't be NEETing it up here I'd be writing books.

That could be pretty funny. It could be a self harm help book.

Title: The Gift of Capitalism?

First of all, if we are introducing morality into this (even though it's a spook) then you absolutely do have a moral duty to feed a starving person. If you have excess food and you keep it from the hungry then it's no different than pushing them from a cliff. You are artificially creating a situation that will kill them.

Furthermore, we produce more than enough food to feed everybody on earth, but capitalism does not allocate resources where they are needed, thus, capitalism kills those people who starve to death. You also can't blame socialism in the same way because socialism was never a global system. Every country on Earth with the exception of a few is integrated into the global capitalist system. That was never the case with socialist countries. They couldn't help starving people if they didn't have the appropriate surpluses to do so, which they didn't. The global capitalist economy on the other hand, does.

The irony here is that you are the same kind of person who would blame Stalin for the 60 million.