A liberal friend is demanding peer-reviewed evidence in support of socialism

remind him that peer-reviewed doesn't mean a whole lot since academic circles will agree with their friends

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Just send this faggot Einstein's 'Why Socialism?".

Einstein was a liberal utopian "socialist" tho. What he associated with the term was this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism.

stop shooting yourself in the foot

Start by debunking economics (free markets, privatization, whatever). Use the stuff in this thread

8ch.net/leftypol/res/1510675.html

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2437929

What you're saying here is for example that public opposition to the French Party Socialiste ("Socialist Party") discredits me and my aims as a socialist even if the PS is in practice social democratic and has no actual opposition to money, wage labor and the State.

are you rearded?

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What would you like more, to win this argument or a socialist government in your country?
You need to adjust your attitude young man.

Sam Harris has a horrible case of scientism

This is exactly the type of shit that turns people off of socialism. You don't respond to a request for evidence with "lol fedora", that's SJW-tier retardation. Then again, the board's been flooded with Redditors recently, so maybe some of you need to be broken out of that mindset. Or just gulag'd.

Sam Harris would demolish anyone who says things like this in a debate despite his numerous flaws.

My point was he's so useless there's no fucking way he'd ever publish anything peer reviewed

then you missed the point of the person you replied to.

fuck you, sokal did nothing wrong. those postmodernist obscurantists needed a slap to the face.

your post contributes to a peer review study of Holla Forums inducing autism in its users

yeah no shit

yeah I too remember when he completely obliterated Chomsky with his now world renowned "the United States is the greatest force for good in human history" and "I'm a consequentialist but also intentions are the whole story when it comes to ethics" arguments.

But yeah, he talks like a psychopath and knows big words he learned at a private school so his logic is always unimpeachable.

How? I was robbing not marking a counterpoint. Stop being so autistic

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*ribbing

The point is that I will not achieve the latter through a popularity contest under a definition of socialism that isn't socialism. I may as well vote my social democratic party if I want that. What's next, supporting Nazis because they're getting popular with working people and use the term "socialism" even if it has nothing to do with socialism?

thats simply what its called you idiot

A bullet to the head

fuck off retards

I'm on your side you fucking autist

why not? capitalists do it with capitalism. sounds like you just don't want socialism and just can't deal with how the world works.

Gee, because we live under bourgeois society?

I don't socialism as a label or most popular buzzword. I want actual socialism.

grow up m8. even Holla Forumstards are more with it than you.

but Holla Forumstards are capitalists, user

Holla Forumstards are NEETs faggot.

That's like saying look around you for evidence of god.

Another meme come to life.

Wait, so if the right keep calling the liberals communists and marxists, will that make them marxists?

Do we have to false flag as anime NEETs and get to it?

Philistines detected.

I will never understand how reactionaries think.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha he's a fucking product, a pre-packaged intellectual lifestyle that faggot atheist betas get sucked into because it makes them feel post-modern and intelligent. its nothing to even worry about or worth confronting. the day i care about debating with a literal techno-capitalist is the day i pop a cyanide capsule

leftists are the real fascists

It's that simple.

Not really. They want fascism but they settled for Donald Trump.
Advocates of capitalism opportunistically conflate all kinds of things with capitalism, like freedom and democracy.
Socialists like you, raised on Marx, only see things in a black and white way which leads to sectarianism and and rigid arguments and ideologies that can easily be picked apart.
"Capitalists" have made capitalism into a shape shifting ideology that can be moulded to anything, able to absorb anything good into itself.
You can't even accept an argument for socialism by Einstein to convince someone that academics prefer socialism because it's the "wrong type of socialism". It's pathetic. You're the problem.

I regret to inform you, but while advocating violence is also a part of fascist ideology, under no circumstances it is equal to fascism nor a thing exclusive only to that ideology.
Also pacifism is a shitty meme.

marx is one of the most cited authors of all time, how is that not peer-reviewed enough?

Hes just going to link papers how great freed markets are or something similar.

should have added the /s

You have to go back.

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>>>/reddit/

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Asking for peer-reviewed evidence in support of socialism is a vague question. Is it asking for evidence that socialism can work? Is it asking for evidence that socialism would be beneficial?

Link Engels's thing on utopic and scientific socialism.

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Yeah, remember all that peer reviewed research that inspired the bourgeoisie to revolt against feudalism back in the day? Where would we be without it?

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so what, it fucking works

No you're not. Take a hike faggot.

means tested means of production

P E A K
L I B E R A L I S M

This is true, but Sokal himself was also a staunch critic of Popper, aka the original fedora.

The latter. He wants modern academic testimonials saying socialism would be a good thing

Fascism is still capitalism. Why do you think the wealthy industrialists funded Hitler?

tell him to read capital.

Leftists and fascists are the same because they punch people.

This is a good question though, what 21st c academic literature exists that supports socialism?

Yes. Fascism being nationalist means it is opposed to pan-"racial" supremacist ideologies including zionism and white "nationalism".

This random meme unconsciously said something true about fascism.

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also, the industrialists had two choices, support marxists or solar socialists. The latter, from capitalist point of view, at least weren't opposed to private property so they saw it as lesser evil (they were unpleasantly surprised later on)

I've never heard solar socialist used before, I did a google and it's supposedly eco-socialism? Is this that thing about Hitler being an environmentalist?

It's a myth. My grandad worked with Hitler and he told me he never saw him recyling once.

Tell him to get his head out of his ass and its not your job to educate him.

As if. The council would have me shot if I didn't separate my tins and bottles. So much for freedom winning the war.

It is a retarded premise. Since peer-reviewed articles require there to be an experiment in the first place. So that people can redo the experiment and compare the results.

Since there are no current full-fledged socialist experiments, all we can do is critique capitalism, and point out the contradictions, and link them to real life examples. Then extrapolate why socialism would not fall into the same pitfalls. Then defend socialism when critiqued in turn. Since he asks for a peer review in the first place it means that he is a bit stupid. But I would just try to get him to accept that capitalism is shit. One can be against capitalism without having to be a socialist.

This is why one shouldn't base friendships based on political beliefs. Sadly liberals love spouting their politically illiterate garbage. It is easier to turn the liberal against capitalism. And with it the liberal beliefs will crumble under the contradictions.

Holy shit is this what positivism is?

Human politics arent a hard science, you can't "prove" an economic system that you think up to deal with the material reality at that specific time in human development.

I wish, what could you ever possibly say to them that would change their minds?

What, like those artifact-ridden Holla Forums collages?

One could start with very obvious examples. Such as how capitalism is ruining the environment. How capitalism creates and reinforces hierarchies based on economic standing. How capitalism is exploiting the third world: Diamond, gold and silver mines in Africa, oil fields all over the world, cheap labour in Asia. Then increase the tempo with less obvious examples. Capitalism incentivizes wars and brutal dictators in third world countries. By allowing the dictator to sell oil or precious stones/metals to the west. Thereby granting him the funding for his own personal army. It allows for slave societies in the Middle East. The west buys oil from those countries, which is their primary source of income. They don't need to sell commodities, which means that labour has close to no political leverage. So they decide to import slaves from Asia to do whatever labour they need (primarily construction), without these slaves being able to use their labour as mean to rise up in society. The US has special interests in the middle east to ensure that no one will obstruct their secondary source of oil. Anyone trying to contest political control over the Middle East has been systematically removed. This includes Saddam and Gadaffi. Military intervention is favoured by every American government, because, expending expensive missiles. Creates jobs and makes sure that the industry keeps making more money. Remember that all the expenses go straight to the pockets of the people who made the weapons and gear. The money which the soldiers and engineers make then is put back into the US economy when they decide to spend the money.

These are only a few, and these don't require a whole lot of understanding of capital to comprehend. If they can listen to all these examples and still defend capitalism, they are mentally ill.

good stuff I guess, but a lot of these are self-evident and they accept it as just a part of life that you can't even change. They, I feel like, are a pseudo-woke class who've become completely alienated and defensive over the status-quo. Anyways, here's an article on the US government giving gorillions to a company that sold supplies to a African mining companies conducting slave labor.
theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/22/us-export-import-bank-africa-mines-financing-slave-labor

Yes I am you illiterate manchild. You think scientism is a thing and so do I. Your unwarranted anger and belligerence is an active detriment to any cause you'll ever be associated with. Kys for everyone's sake

your friend sounds like an idiot tbh. just make him read wage labor and capital or something like that. What's important isn't to say "this society which has never existed will work" or whatever other utopian garbage he wants to hear. You need to direct him to good critiques of capitalism that will allow him to understand the new society based on the flaws of our current society.

Well it was a reference to swastika, it's symbolism and origin is a key to understand authentic natio nal socialism. It was environmentalist too and it was opposed to racism and capitalism, contrary to right wing belief.

WEW

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your friend's a fucking pseudointellectual OP

tell the autist to actually read Marx and Smith

The problem the all the examples of communism being put into practice being pretty shit and having so many issues of their own.
Yes there were other factors, and the not real communism argument certainly has merit when it comes to the USSR but someone who has a preexisting bias against communism is not going to see it that way.

Catalonia

Call him a cargo cult idiot who doesn't understand what peer review is

aren't humanities articles peer reviewed?

Punch that classcuck retard in the head for me OP

You actually might be on to something here.

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