Looks like shit is going down

300 kids on bikes joined antifa march.

twitter.com/jpegjoshua/status/845705164455661568

how?

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They don't need you. Organized movements are always co-opted. Generalized insurrection is the only way.

Why is there another Trump march?

Someone's been reading "The Coming Insurrection"

twitter.com/hectorarzula/status/845724420362530816

b-bash the fash!!

Right about what?

Rightists need to be shot

By this point, the distinction between 'liberals', 'fascists' and 'neocons' is purely aesthetic. Even 'woke' liberals are happy to shill for deep state coups and a potentially civilisation destroying escalation of tensions with Russia. I don't know what's the utility of punching 'nazis' when we are all caught inside a gigantic fascist warmachine that is blindly lurching towards the abyss anyways

Tbh neocons deserve to be beaten as well.

bbb-tfo!!!11

Nothing wrong with this

Smashie won't kill the state or capitalism, famalam. I need them because I'm tired of capitalism and we have the same goals. I don't know why you guys have such an aversion toward any kind of organization.

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No. My main concern is enabling common defense, though. That's something I've actually been teaching IRL for about a year now. Right wing terrorism is going to happen this year or the next and the targets are going to be the weakest among us. If you think smashie will work, then go smash something, but I don't expect that's true.

The same as staying in your armchair

Smashing and rebuilding is the only solution

Did I say that? I said organize. I don't care how you do it, but you work better together in a coordinated fashion.

You're not smashing anything of importance like this. If you want to smash the state, you must become a bigger hammer.

Former organizations in the 21st century no longer work. They are too easily co-opted, disrupted and castrated.

Formal, not former.

I never said join an organization that already exists. I said organize. Or are you saying organization can never work? If so, then how do you envision society after the final smash? Because you're basically devolving into barbarism at that point.

as usual, conservative twitter has cogent and insightful commentary

twitter.com/soit_goes/status/845682756394868737/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://itsgoingdown.org/igd-philly-black-bloc-shuts-trump-rally-led-neo-nazis/

Ah, so now you clarified. Did I say you have to have formal organization? No. You don't need membership cards and a charter to be organized, do you? Even co-ordinating with a few friends is organization. Also, what makes the 21st century so different that organization is somehow ineffective? What magical thing happened after y2k that you think has changed the world? I think you're simply trying to sound smart by saying this, but don't know why you're saying it.

300 kids ain't a general insurrection

Until shit gets so bad that substantial amounts of middle aged mothers want a new government, agitation serves to batter the established hierarchy rather than abolish it

Organization is not in contradiction with smashing, smashing can be used to sabotage bourgeois firms, as it means more profit has to be invested in repairing the firm

Smashing the state also implies the economic realm within the state

Which is why I said you should add organization to that random smashing. I already knew that.

No, you're not thinking big enough. It's true, but this is small cookies.

You shouldn't smash MOP without a plan to take control of them. It would be far more efficient if you, for example, built a competing organization, then smashed all those not part of that organization, thereby ensuring that the only firm that does x is one that works for you.

You said there was a movement forming that needs to be organized. Not a few friends forming an affinity group to firebomb a bank. I'm not interested in your incoherent Bureaucratic Marxist double talk.

Smashing in itself is revolutionary praxis, organizing to take over after decentfalized smashing is socialism praxis

I agree with all of your post, we have reached the synthesis

Anti fa are fascists backed by soros to beat and intimidate the proletariat.

The proletariat has degenerated

It no longer controls its destiny

There is, and you should be part of it, even if you aren't directly related.

Okay, call me when you get anything done.

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Try reading the news sometimes, anarchists are actually getting shit done, unlike Marxist paper-pushers who are too busy waiting for the mythical Masses to get organized.

America could you please not, thanks.

no that is wrong

and militant maoists in India and the Philippines exist and are a larger threat. Congratulations.

so punching anarkiddies is okay because they enable fascists?

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Are you not watching the news? Or did you forget the YPG?

The nazi's have arrived!

how considerate of them to translate their message into arabic so the refugees can read it. These look like some very tolerant people.

lets hope Nazi black blocs become more frequent so that either anarkiddies stop cosplaying or we accelerate hard

This division of Marxists v. Anarchists is COINTELPRO. Never saw so much until recently.

Did you forget you weren't shilling on some liberal forum?

Where is this pic from?

Turns out commies get their shit pushed in when it's not a sucker punch to an unaware persons head or a trash can they are going after. Who would have thought?

The UK, most likely North England. The flag on the right is National Action, a recently outlawed "terror" group.

Are you posting in the right thread?

Marxists and anarchists were friendly with each other as well before revolution was coming, when it came they were mortal enemies

prepare to get your shit kicked in again, anarkiddies btw

There's nothing wrong with this. People need to be afraid, they need to stay indoors, lock their doors, cover their windows, and keep a weapon nearby at all times. Fear is a good thing. Violence is not just a means to an end, but a way of life.

Don't forget to buy a dog.

Too much noise, they need to go outside to be healthy anyway.

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opposition is easier to control when organized, hence "become ungovernable". and they havent seemed to have punched anyone in the video (unless someone has footage of it). this just seems like a general protest really.

So are antifa weak skinny kids or turbo agressive monsters ??? The cognitive dissonance is real

Same thing for people. At least you can tell a dog to shut up.

Obama's razor, conservatives accuse Obama of being incompetent and lazy and at the same time an evil scheming mastermind.
Per extension it can apply to leftists, conservatives accuse of of being fags and cucks at the same time they're scared of volent leftist thungs from antifa

Why are aut-rightists so obsessed with antifa all of a sudden? Do they not realize that this is what we want? It's fucking hilarious how insecure and prone to paranoid delusions these reactionary faggots are.

daily reminder to bring a weapon of sort with you just in case something like this happens

antifa BTFO again
sad weak cucks

this is what happens when you leave your moms basement Holla Forums
knocked the fuck out

So, what actually happened? Did Antifa get BTFO'd, did Trump supporters get bashed or did nothing happen, as I would expect it and it usually unfolds?

The goal of antifa is to disrupt fascist organizations and keep them from gaining power. You morons keep treating this like a video game where you are the player character and antifa are the enemy.

Yikes it ain't 2013 anymore kiddo

both. its just both sides only show when they btfo the other side.

Holy shit the guy just dropped that cop Jet Li style!!!

By fucking up the local trashcans and then getting your ass kicked? Sound strategy, keep it up

they use trashcans as barricades against the police

Why is filthy Frank at a protest?

Keep on rocking the double think there Holla Forumsyp.

Most antifa are worthless drug addict thugs who answer craiglist ads by literal porky billionaires like soros, they don't give a single fuck about politics, only getting cash for their next hit.

punching neocons is worth it too

it's just pure spectacle tbh

You being shit at being terrorists isn't our fault, step it up

good job falling for flak

Anyone can cherrypick pictures they're both fucking idiots

Doesn't matter who is paying them (if that is eve the case, which it isn't by the way.) What matters is the right wing reactionaries are afraid or at the very least obsessed with fighting them instead of championing their bullshit. That's the whole point.

i wouldn't say it doesn't matter. becoming dependent on funding can easily make you have to compromise your message for mainstream appeal. however i agree that it doesn't matter when they're getting money without them even asking for it in the first place as a clear ploy to bring them back into the mainstream.

fucking lmao

You got any evidence for that claim?

You faggots cried assault when Shia shoved that nazi. No one takes your whining seriously. It is pretty funny though.

What kind of hardcore LARPing do you do user?

Skinny cucks when the antifa gets ganged up.
Dangerous monsters when they punch nazis.
Sometimes they try to do both at the same time, like when they said the guy who punched spencer was some dude from a fetish website that was dead for almost a year.

Ever heard of this saying, you dumb faggot?

this cuck was confirmed to get KOd by a fucking girl
antifa looking more pathetic every day

Wait, what the fuck? Why is there a random Assadist with the Trump gang?

You can make the connection from there.

Actually, he was confirmed to have ripped the heart out of 15 pure blooded Aryans.

Fuck, white people are so pathetic.

Goddamn it Hoochie is that you?

itt: Holla Forums yet again confirms that they are the deep-state and status-quo

Why the fuck should anyone honestly give a fuck about rightwing reactionaries? How are they a worthy use of your time or your concern? Literally all antifa is trying to do is keeping a horrible system staying horrible instead of possibly becoming more horrible. How is this a useful use of a supposed leftist's time?

t. Amadeo Bordiga

I'm not him, and I'm definitely not a leftcom, but these liberal antifa LARPers aren't accomplishing anything. They aren't raising class consciousness, they aren't protecting anyone by getting in fights. I was fine with the LARPers who shut down Milo's public doxxing event, but that had an actual goal. This is just autism.

this is your brain on anarchism

t. International Communist Party

This is what accelerationists actually believe. Protip: If things go bad and the fascists are organized then leftists are fucked. Antifa helps to keep fascists scattered and afraid.

It's not even accelerationism, antifa being out there is part of the original accelerationism meme. Hillary wouldn't have summoned anitfa.

Nothing unites more like a common enemy. Antifa is that common enemy.

Hmm really making think here.

I'm not advocating for accelerationism, I'm saying why would you use your time to maintain the horrible status quo instead of trying to improve and change it? Why combat supposed Fascists because they /might/ make things worse instead of combating the current system that /currently/ makes things horrible?

Standing against the fascists should be done in a competent manner. We're going to unite them either way, but if you just run around like a retard, you'll be easier to kill. Antifa needs to become something other than just black block protests.

We shouldn't be opportunistic retards who only give the left a bad image and further delay the actual revolution. We need capitalism to worsen so that the vast majority are on our side, begging for action.

Yes and if the fascists are properly organized they will be the ones to answer their pleas not us. Antifa keeps the fascists distracted and afraid to show themselves so that when that time comes when the proles are begging for help the left is the only group willing and able to come to their aid.

most antifa are also anarchist that participate in setting up squats, gardens, etc. and how the fuck is allowing fascist organization to build up a good thing when they could easily rise to power when things go to shit if we continue to allow this.

Holla Forums needs to get off their ass and fucking do something

stop. and stopping fascist organization in all its forms along with community organizing go hand in hand. they're both needed.

Fascism is just state run capitalism, been there done that and people hated it. Fascism would just be a pit stop into revolution.

they do both. stop with this false dichotomy bullshit

No just stay together in groups, americans allways seem to disperse into some loose groups, never seen that shit in europe.

well that too.

youre forgetting that overt racism and nationalism may have not been something that people have done, and people may mistake that as the solution to their problems

Does a Trump retard rally really qualify as fascist organizing though?

Why the fuck should anyone care about le spooky fascists when the system already systematically and constantly murders, tortures, cages, and enslaves people? Could the system get worse? Possibly, but that's an irrelevant concern, especially considering it getting worse would be because of material conditions and not because some autistic ideology got a bunch of supporters. The state doesn't need a mass movement to tighten it's grip on people; Fascism has always been the result of the current state trying to preserve itself, not because a large group of people managed to somehow implement it through a revolution. So, if you're genuinely afraid of Fascism, your first and only goal should be to dismantle the state before the material conditions causes it to turn to Fascism, not waste your time getting into street fights with edgy skinhead gangs.

It's not a false dichotomy to say you can't do two things at once. But that would assume antifa actually gives a fuck about smashing the state; the most they'll do and have done is smash some windows and throw rocks at cops.

No that's not how fascism works. Fascists focus their efforts on doing two things: waging war and purging communists. By purging the communists and other leftists they help to destroy or at least severly weaken any communist orgs within the country and by waging war they engage in creative destruction that will power capitalism for decades to come. Fascism rise and its fall help to preserve capitalism. It is basically the "Dark Knight" of capitalism.

itsgoingdown.org/sacramento-nazi-crew-responsible-stabbings-co-organize-trump-march/

"harmless trump supporters"

We know that doesn't work either, it's still temporary and will pass. Stop trying to justify your urge for immediate gratification. We probably won't have the revolution in our lifetime so stop running around like a chicken with your head cut off.

fascists and the state both participate in these things.

most antifa are anarchists and communists that actually do participate in setting up squats, community gardens, party organizing, etc.

Not with that attitude

That's exactly what the state does. Fascism is just a mutation the state undergoes when the material conditions reach a point that necessitates it.

No, only the state does. Fascists are useful tools of the state.

None of those are revolutionary acts; at best they're slightly helpful community organizing and at worst they're lifestylism.

it doesn't work but isn't it worth saving the suffering people have to endure by keeping these people from organizing and co-opting class struggle.

if i cant dance then its not my revolution.

tools that use violence. just like the state.

W E W

some help is better than no help. and i forgot to mention spreading propaganda, which is useful when trying to gather up a large enough support base to actually go up against the state.

Individual violence that Fascists might engage in is as relevant and meaningful as regular gang violence, and that's basically what violent Fascist groups are; their personal ideology is as relevant as the Crips or Bloods.
And they're doing a horrible job at it. Everyone not on the left see antifa as thugs.

when they use violence to target minorities then it is meaningful.

most of their appeals is towards left liberals, but they're the majority anyway

No, it's as meaningful as any other individual crime. It's political motivations are irrelevant. Fascism is only a real concern when it becomes part of the state, but it only does that when the material conditions necessitate it for the state to survive.

Most people aren't radical liberals who would be attracted to antifa.

Do these people think sunglasses makes them look cool? Macklemores, leather jackets, and shades really do me a frighten.

Yeah and that weakens the left which is bad. Antifa help to keep fascists from organizing so that they cannot defend capitalism when it collapses.

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There doesn't need to actually be Fascists for the state to turn Fascist. A few thousand individual Fascists are irrelevant to a revolution, the revolution's only enemy is the state.

true. obviously, the biggest threat however would be a fascist state, and I'd also agree that smashies aren't doing alot to stop that with their current tactics. maybe we should run propoganda campaings to arm the smashies?

While I'd love nothing more than the smashies to turn revolutionary, I think the type of mindset prevalent among them precludes that. Not to mention Westerners are too comfortable and afraid of dying for them to be willing to engage in potentially fatal action.

"stopping violence against minorities doesn't matter"

and what happens when they're organized enough to do this. after all, antifa wasn't there to stop them from organizing. i mean ffs, steve fucking bannon is trump's chief strategist. thye're already getting close.

they're definitley warming up tho. maybe distributing propaganda about why punching nazis is okay is a way to accelerate it.

i don't see why we shouldn't be

Basically yeah. Trump supporters are more natcon than neocon, though there is some overlap.

this is why
youtube.com/watch?v=oJ1eZqenaDw
Antifa lacks any kind of coherent theory or praxis outside of punching nazis, and really anyone else they don't like. Socialist groups should have antifa wings, as opposed to having the complete clusterfuck of an organization that exists now

I didn't say that. You literally quoted me saying it's as meaningful as any other crime and then paraphrased me saying it doesn't matter. It does matter, but it's not a problem that revolutionaries should focus on, since ultimately it would be solved if the revolution succeeded.
Again, individual Fascists have nothing to do with the state actually becoming Fascistic. Fascism is not a popular movement that gained power through revolution. How few or how many actual Fascists exist has no bearing on what the state decides to do to adapt and survive.
Fuck, no, punching "Nazis" is fucking useless as best as counter-productive at worst, and trying to get more people to focus on petty ideological tribalism isn't going to create revolutionaries.

itsgoingdown.org/alt-right-trolls-posing-boston-antifa-facebook-youtube/

LMAO they're fake as fuck and antifa has been known this.

now this i can agree with. this would definitely make everything more concise. i was just saying that its dumb to oppose stopping fascists altogether

Wew I got memed on. My mistake. Having a purely negative program, which is antifa in a nutshell, is pretty much useless when it comes to enacting real political change. Not merely an issue of being concise.

so what should they do? just wait for the revolution to happen and ignore whats happening right now?

yes it fucking does. revolutions happen BECAUSE they have mass support, and fascist organization does nothing but grows that, especially since they use radical tactics that go outside of the electoral system.

but im not saying that should be the main focus. its just one out of many necessary components.

explain. the only reason i see it as being 'counterproductive" is if people don't understand that fascists are radicals and not liberals. but if people know this and don't care then how is it counterproductive?

See: Occupy Wall Street

People don't learn from history, this is a common theme and people need to fucking understand it, you can't wait for capitalism to become this bad(quantification) in order to justify organization, rather the organization should be immediate and concise(adhere to a goal strictly). Antifa is resisting fascism in the way they know because it's the only organization to teach them how to, if myriads of left-wing groups started to emerge having praxis behind them, and on how to engage fascist groups; the alt-right which is full of bed-ridden losers wouldn't be able to compete. Understand that racists, and these fucking nazi losers are in a significant minority if racial attitude statistics are any metric to go by.

Fascists never do revolution. They alway, always, always get appointed by some porky power.

who is Franco?

are you saying OWS was governed or ungoverned?

I'm weirded out by the NazBol defending anarkid historical reenactment , let's hope it's Holla Forums.

Most Trump supporters are indeed harmless and fucking delusional, they think getting their puppet through the ballot box was the "revolution" they needed and now they have cucked Fake News and liberals trying to take their victory away.
You oppose bourgeois reformists with burgeois reformism (or the lack thereof), not by flauntering your commie-cred by wearing black and burning the flag.

Fighting Nat-Synds, actual Neo-Nazis and other horseshit is justified, fighting MAGA hatters fucking isn't.

You mean that guy that Hitler sent all that equipment to? Gee, you think maybe he was propped up like Pinochet?

If your life is in danger, obviously not. If there's a crime element you need to protect against that crime element, but engaging in a gangwar with them and continuing the circle of violence isn't going to fix anything.
And I just said that Fascism never comes into being through a revolution. It has either come into being through a military dictatorship, which are all essentially fascistic without being ideological, or through the state voluntarily adapting the ideology to survive, as with the Weimar Republic or the Kingdom of Italy. People let it happen in both instances because of them being spooked by the state, but it wasn't an actual radical change, it was simply the state adapting to the circumstances it was in, specifically the threat of a Communist revolution.
The only necessary components are whatever manages to destroy the state as soon as possible, anything else is a distraction and anything else won't actually prevent a Fascist state, because it is material conditions that cause the state to turn Fascist.
Firstly, because saying "they have opinions I don't like, therefor Fascism" is a dangerous position to take to excuse violence over differences in opinions and only radicalizes the opposition and makes the Left look bad, secondly because if they are real Fascists then actually attacking them might influence them to turn to violence instead of just using words, and thirdly because it's not actually useful and is a distraction towards attacking the state.

A general who started a military coup against the democratic republic.

Ungoverned and without any coherent goals or plan. All it took was some SJWs and libertarians to neuter it.

god i hate tankies. and read the article.

im getting sick of this "anything i don't like" projectile argument, constantly trying to apply ambiguity to something that clearly isn't. fascism is a *radical* ideology that advocates corporatism, the merging of the civilian population with the military, hypernationalism and totalitarianism. not just "bad words durr".

and its a horrible idea to "just use words" with ACTUAL fascists since ACTUAL fascists are the ones that will use violence and be okay with it. maybe on the internet, but not irl. that shit is dangerous.

but why would you let the organization behind the crime just build up until its an even bigger problem that it wouldve been.

and there were apparently enough complacent people to keep it going

ungoverned =/= no goals or plans

ungoverned just means these goals arent taken to some giant, easily noticed convention.

I know what Fascism is, my point is that the radlib antifa people don't, and they use it as an justification to attack people who are saying stuff they don't like.
If any actual Fascist is trying to attack you, obviously you should defend yourself, otherwise ignore and avoid them. My point is they're a distraction and not the actual main enemy of Leftism, just a tool of the state.
Because the alternative is to engage in a never ending gang war that distracts from an actual revolution, besides no matter how fast it could grow, it could never grow faster and become more dangerous than the state.
As in most systems, and there's probably not much you can do to change that.

in my opinion most do. you don't really see them showing up at randy conservative talks. its almost always people who have known connections to white nationalism/alt-right/neo-naziism.

"yeah lets just let this terrorist organization build up and do nothing until they begin acting"

but its not supposed to distract. again, do both. most of antifa are already anarchists/communists. its roots are in anarchism/communism.

you could try building up opposition before hand, y'know, like what you advocate for overthrowing the bourgeoisie.

Holy fuck it's either lying or retardation
I'm not sure which is worse