Vegan, commie co-worker

Ya, in one case you did something wrong.

Adoption?

Yes but they are also way cheaper to raise. I live in a 3rd world country and poor families here easily raise 3-5 kids on crap salaries cause they live with extended families and share a lot, also cost of living is super cheap relative to the West.

Also forgot to add the emotional stress of having a kid as a result of rape

Tell us how you think adoption works.

really fired up my neurons.

It's really not
firstmotherforum.com/2013/03/adoption-is-not-cure-for-abortion.html?m=1

we should develop a way to switch fertility on and off remotely

get your head examined.

Impossible. Because as we all know, capitalism is a perfect system that would never allow such a thing. It's cultural marxism that's lowering the birth-rates of whites!

OP here. The vegan co-worker is also a muslim btw. He was recently rushed to the hospital with a balloon belly. They pumped lots of white fluid out him. The doctor dipped his finger in it, put a bit on his lips and said, Mmh, dog sperm. And the doctor's name: Albert Einstein.

Nice euphemism. But that's not an argument.

He's right.

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Homeless beggars in 1st world countries make more than minimum wage (8-20$/hr, sometimes more) and can afford to have families if they want to.
Which is more than can be said under communism, where everyone would be dying of famine or forced into gulags.

Lol stats? Literally bullshit

cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a52816/adoption-what-its-really-like/

I'm sure adoption is literally impossible, a process so complex and excruciating no one can do it so murder it is!!

Medical abortion is performed by the will of the mother. You retard.

Might as well argue that because you can set your own car on fire if you want, I should be able to torch your car too.

Religious spooks aren't an argument either

Google it. Plenty of investigative reports and testimonials by beggars are given and people testing to see how much they can make.

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Ahhhh nice ideology

What about the effects of childbirth and pregnancy? What about children with really bad health?

Post stats or fuck off. There is no proof for it

One right winger write an article once saying they tested it
Must be true

Abortion ain't murder because fetuses are no more human than a lump of human cells in a lab marked for a cloning experiment

The only argument would be similar to.self defense if the life of the mother is literally at risk.because of an ectopic pregnancy or some weird.defect…

Ah yes a great sample of the majority

Fetuses aren't human
And dog fetuses aren't dogs, the vegan in ops totally true story would also be wrong

But it only states specific cases of few groups not the majority

The worse kind of people.

Embryos are a stage in the human life cycle, they are not 'human beings' per se. They're not concious until at least the 26th week.

Fetus is Latin for "young in the womb" its a tiny human baby.
etymonline.com/index.php?term=fetus

Structure matters. A fertilized human egg has the making of a person, its no longer "just cells" unless you want to say all life is just "lumps of cells"

Unconscious humans are still human.

Lefty logic

You can't take sentience away from something that never had it to begin with.

Very rude Sage.

Yes you can, that's what murder does.

Lefty arguments here are 14 year old tier tbh
Embarrassing

>>>/christian/ just fucking leave.

How can you even keep women from getting abortions in the first place? Ever learned of coat hangers? And vitamin C overdoses?

Who is being deprived? Nobody has knowledge of what they have theoretically lost. Have you robbed someone of their future every time you choose not to have reproductive sex?

==NONE== of you are free from ideology!

You can't claim to be pro-life and support capitalism.

Yes :^)

Undialectical

See: Spike in birth-rates in Romania. (Eventually followed by a crash when the coathanger crew and corrupt doctors got to work.)

Shitposting aside I do have to put into question the thought process which you have shown (And if this is another Inty then I apologise but back on topic). I mean after all you have deflected most cons of abortion with similier situations applied to property, such as your whole car arson comparison, which is quite weird for a socialist. After all should a socialist of any sect not view humans as property? But here comes the arguement that a fetus before a certain time isn't a human and the "bunch of cells" idea. Is prospect not the true thing we should be looking for not how much property that will be needed to be consumed by that "thing"? Should you not view the future of anything more important than the current consumtion to nuture that prospect? While yes the current system we live in is awful and we can't always bring up children due to material issues, does this not show distinction between us and the capitalist? We view that prospect above the material needs in which it consumes. I mean even Soc Dems, who aren't even real socialists they're backstabbing flowers, advocate for the prospect to be above the material by giving parents who can't raise their child help in the form of benefits. So why should we view this "bunch of cells" as a mere material drain on the parent rather than a prospect for humanity?

tldr: Babies aren't material, look at them as prospect for the future. Flowers aren't socialist but view babies as more than material.Pope says baby killing is bad :'^(

I've always found it interesting how we tend towards moralizing our position either way.
(In aggregate, my view on abortion is "it's shit, but the alternative is shit too.", though this makes it incredibly open to political fluctuation - just use it as a short-term birthrate valve for the state.)

But most people either seem to believe entirely, yeah fuck it, abortion is zero-loss/morally good, or it's a moral outrage, instead of steeping the thing in layers of grey (both in terms of how fucking boring it is, and the obvious moral greyness.)

Then again I'd be lying if I wasn't quietly happy that my position lets me theoretically ally with Christians if we're talking in a purely cynical socdem kind of thing. You nationalize the toothbrushes and I'll toss some votes your way so you can throw pregnant women under the bus. (Or jail them for jumping under the bus, as the case may be.)