Why does Holla Forums refuse to acknowledge the Jewish roots of Communism?

Why does Holla Forums refuse to acknowledge the Jewish roots of Communism?

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We do not presuppose inherent evil in "Jewish" identity.

The jew is as good as any comrade.

Jews according to Holla Forums

So you guys admit to being happy puppets for kikes and their cultural marxism?

And how many of them aren't Jewish?
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FBIcuck pls go.

Capital acts in the interest of itself.

yes

Why does Holla Forums refuse to acknowledge the Jewish roots of Western Civilization?

Nope. No Jews there

Also pic related no jews there either

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Soviets are workers councils not the USSR you retard

nazbol at least has dank memes

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This is like being surprised that there were a disproportionate percentage of black socialists in American history, and then concluding it's a black conspiracy.

In other words, you are fully retarded

Because Holla Forums's idea of western civilization comes from reading fairy tales.

Soviets are workers councils, you dunce.

Jews are a force for good in this world.

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It might have something to do with what happened to Kibbutz. (taken over by insurance companies)
Maybe because current Israeli gov is center-right after all the experiments were concluded.

The Jews killed and targeted Jews. The Bolshevik ones had given up religion.

Don't be retarded. We at Holla Forums know that Western civilization and literally everything else that exists and even things that don't exist is jewish kikery.
The air that we breath is jewish. The food that we eat is jewish. Any liquid that we drink is - upon closer inspection - keeps saying "gimme shekels". The soil we stand on is jewish. Your mother is a kike. My mother is also a kike. Everyone's mother is a kike. This board is jewish. Holla Forums is also jewish.

LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS A JEWISH CONSPIRACY YOU FUCKING CUCKS

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Don't forget the Soviets committed the holocaust and blamed the Germans, and who were the Soviets? Jews.

Neck urself

Stalin owned two jackets and two pair of boots for his whole life after the revolution. The only reason he didn't have just the one was because someone threw them out for him and had them replaced, he was livid.

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He didn't say anything about Stalin there.

reminder both Christianity and modern Atheism has Jewish roots. Jesus and Spinoza.

How could atheism have jewish roots?

Very astute, reddit. But imageboards aren't for a load of wanking off over taking every statement absolutely literal and weaseling your point across.

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What are you even trying to say? What point am I weaseling across here?

What point is Hitler weaseling across? Absolutely nothing. While he wined and dined it up and was living the life of the so-called international Jewry he removed, Stalin was sitting in a shitty old military jacket drinking standard vodka.

Who is a good source on these matters?

Historians, mostly. Maybe people living in the Soviet Union. Certainly not the Soviet Union's biggest enemy.

Malcolm X, Lambrakis, MLK, RobertKennedy, and Fred Hampton

Malcolm X and Tupac were assassinated for speaking out about the black community being used as a weapon by the jews.

uphold Marxist-Jewish-Luxemburgism

Perhaps Rosa`s murder was the real reason why Hitler was able to come to power

pure ideology my gott

meant for

SPD perhaps screwed itself by self destructively killing own thoughtleaders

I would love to live in the Rosa's Reich alternative timeline myself, that would be nuts.

That's why they were shot. We're living in the worst timeline. You and me could be exploring space right now.

The jews are overrepresented in the ruling class. Politicians, bankers, etc. Is it a coincidence?

It's because of medieval rules on usury. Jews could practice it, gentiles could not. You cucked yourselves, dumbfucks. These days, porky has learned to co-opt and commidify identity politics.

The only reason Jews are a lot of power is because they were the only people allowed to own banks and trade money historically up until very recently. Ironically, it was Christian traditionalism which put Jews in power.

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a religion invented by a jew.

Praise kek

Why not?

By those standards you might as well just say that Christians and Muslims are all Jews as well, and at that point what exactly have you proven?

But you presuppose inherent evil in the 1%, who happen to be 90% Jewish, and you don't suspect anything is fishy about this whole 'Communism' thing?

Sure, there's a historical explanation for it. But how does that change the current state of affairs if it's primarily jews in the elite class trying to enforce serfdom on everyone else?

If you want to go that far back, it all started with Zoroastrianism, so blame the Persians.

It doesn't have to be a massive conspiracy. If jews have a favorable in-group tendency, and many jews are in powerful positions like banking, politics, entertainment, media, then it happens pretty much naturally. No over reaching conspiracy, just jews helping jews do jew things.

We communists would eliminate the one percent. Castro was too soft in letting them escape to cry about not being slum lords.

It's the rich who want us to give more surplus value.

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You don't have to be a billionaire to be in the 1%.

Colloquially, "the 1%" means millionaires and billionaires. There are people who aren't even millionaires technically in the 1%, but that's not really the point of OWS terminology.

Why would anyone in their right mind believe that an ideology emanating from what is effectively the world's 1% could stop the 1%?

I get that but it seems like it's avoiding the point a bit. The 1% have massive influence however you define it, and a single demographic being so overrepresented in it, given their actual numbers are far fewer than most demographics, being so disproportionately represented is something to take note of.

Of course not all jews are evil or anything like that, but a cursory look at reality should make you reconsider some things.

You're not getting converts with that strategy my dude, sorry.

No, the wealthy want more money
No, the wealthy want more money

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Ok, and are black people right to dwelve into identity politics because even less of them are in "the 1%" than whites? By your own logic, every person should adhere to their race and be attacking every race with a higher percentage than them. This is why idpol fails.

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It's not just the jews, of course. There are plenty of whites and arabs up there and in on it as well. But the jews make up a surprising portion of it, considering their relatively small population.


No, I'm saying that jews do have a very strong in-group tendency since they've been persecuted throughout history (whether or not it was justified) so they've developed a relatively strong mistrust of "the other".

By this logic the West are the 1%. You have completely missed the point of the rhetoric. Even people in the ghetto are the 1%.

Sure comrade. Keep believing the Jews. Never mind that an ethnic group not even 2% of the world's population controls almost the entire world. Why, just look how many shabbos goyim they share there wealth with. See, it's not the Jews!

Sure comrade. Keep believing the Jews. Never mind that an ethnic group not even 2% of the world's population controls almost the entire world's wealth. Why, just look how many shabbos goyim they share there wealth with. See, it's not the Jews!

โ€ฆhow does that refute my black american analogy?

Not every single one, of course. There are plenty of jews that don't think being jewish is a big part of their identity. But for any jew that's proud of being jewish and makes it a big part of their worldview, they will inevitably have some degree of resentment against the world, at least the West, given their historical treatment.

Because of

Lol no you retarded, paranoid burger. YOU control the entire world. Why do you think everyone outside the US hates Americans and their satellite states with as much vitriol as you save for your imaginary boogieman?

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America has become Israel's attack dog. Israel has huge influence on the US, especially with the Republican party who believe it is their holy duty to protect and support Israel (at least that's their excuse). Though the democrats are awfully friendly to Israel as well. Half the reason the Middle East hates the US so much is because they see the US as an Israeli puppet, and Muslims hate Jews.

please explain to me how MLK or Malcolm X would contribute to the creation of a warp drive?

Ahhh of course. America is the land of FREEDOM(TM) and DEMOCRACY(TM). They are a completely innocent and pure country merely corrupted by those evil, sneaky Jews :(

It is the great and powerful state of Israel that props up the US after all.

Lmao, you literally have everything completely backwards. Israel is a puppet state and attack dog of the US.

There's no need for the hyperbole. The American government does not get a free pass for its crimes, Israeli influence or not.

I haven't heard this point of view before. Would you mind going into more detail?

they only do that because prominent Senators in the GOP and DNC use israeli defence contracts to funnel tax payers money into their backpockets

no they dont
they dislike Zionists
muslims and jews got on pretty well for thousands of years
the jewish kingdom in the land of modern day Yemen was instrumental in the rise of Mohammad and the unification of the arabs under one religious warlord
the jewish populations in Roman cities across North Africa often betrayed the cities to the Caliphates armies for bribes and positions of power in islamic society
hell the jews in the Ottoman Empire were ambassadors, tax collectors and the CEO's of slave trading Empires stretching from Somalia, to Morocco to Ukraine

I figured as much. Sending billions of dollars to Israel with the sole condition they spend a certain percentage buying military goods from the US, there's no way they're not getting kickbacks somewhere from all that money they're stealing from the taxpayers.

It's a matter of practical application of power/money over anything else. Israel simply cannot manipulate the US, the single most powerful economic and military power in the world, effectively. Yes, there is indeed a large and quite effective Jewish lobby comprised of die hard Zionists who have significant impact in DC, but that is not the same as the US being a puppet; it's more like oil companies having impact on politicians, and is part of the US political system

It is the US that has the financial and political power to drive Israel into action. Just look at the recent Iran talk, where Israel's PM has not and can not force US to attack in Iran or endorse an Israeli action there. Meanwhile all the middle eastern wars that mysteriously expand American hegemony above all drag all the American allies, including Israel, along for the ride. And there was and never will be meaningful dissent when the US wants to go to war

if by certain percentage you mean buying an annual amount of useless garbage that israel then sells to various warlord groups
you can find child soldiers across Africa armed with AR-15's that got there because israel bought it in bulk from America and then dumped it on some arms dealers
israel profits, the US Senators get more power and wealth and the plebs are none the wiser as usual
its not kickbaks these arent technically bribes
its like investing in a company producing experimental weaponry, you give money to israel under the guise of military aid so they can place an order for so and so units of prototype garbage produced by a company you own/invest in so your shares that you own in that company become worth more on the stock market
immoral but technically above board and legal

you say its not the Zionist lobby and thats fine they're probably ineffectual alone
but factor in other groups and ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€Coincidences๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€
Zionist lobbyists in DC campaign aggressively for the US to aid israel
and why? why should America a foreign nation invest in protecting israel in wars israel usually provokes?
the jewish connection is of course there but so is the oil
israels oil pipelines and its harbour are instrumental in the flow of Saudi oil to the US
and israel is a cunt, they will shit off that oil if America doesnt do what they say
the US army is a gas guzzler to say the least and if they lost the saudi supply they wouldl quickly be reduced in capacity and efficiency
israels got a vice around Americas balls, along with men in Americas head telling it what to do

American jews are still Americans, and pointing to them and saying it's proof that Israel is the one that controls the US is eternally silly. If anything it's proof that Israel is nothing but a husk for certain American interests.

I'm also pretty bewildered at your confusion that the US would set up a satellite state and then protect that satellite state. Where's the contradiction? Funny that you've also seemingly stumbled upon the fact that Saudi is also a US puppet state in practice, but haven't managed to piece this last part together.

I know the US went against international interests, especially in Europe in supporting the creation of Israel. But do you have any more info about the US using Israel, let alone Saudi Arabia? Because it seems to be the other way around, those states exerting their control over things the US wants to make the US do their bidding, or at least trade favors.

Absolutely bourgeois

Saud Arabia is surrounded by a sea on both the western and the eastern side. Why would they need Israel for transporting the oil?
Btw Israel would be pretty fucked if they somehow anger the US. They could easily withdraw the military aid and even get neighbouring countries to fuck with them (which wouldn't be a hard thing to do because everyone despises them).

Roots, what are they?

I'm not sure what specific examples you're looking for since you already seem pretty open to the idea that much of the world kowtows to the US on their foreign policy, and I'm sure you're already aware of heavy interference in the election and leadership by the US of countries around the world. Just ask, does the house of Saud serve the people of Saudi Arabia, or US corporate interests (the same corporate interests that I'm sure you would agree run the US).

I think the disconnect here is that when I'm talking about any of these countries as "controlling" anyone else, I'm talking about just their ruling class. Democracy is largely a sham, and the will of the people is never represented in their government. So when I say "X country serves the will of America", I mean "X country's government serves American corporate interests". Behind every conflict you can think of, there is a corporate interest (largely in oil or weapons sales) behind it greatly benefiting, and those corporations find home almost exclusively in the US. And, of course, those same interests run the US.

The house of Saud are explicitly American puppets and would never remain in power without American power. Both the US and Saudi Arabia openly admits as much.

Meanwhile, while Israel is certainly able to whinge about their independent strength and strength of will or whatever, they've unquestioningly joined the US in every war effort in the middle east (which is the whole reason they exist) and prop up much of the arms industry in the US with their very existence (so their provocation and aggression isn't a bug, it's a feature). And if you dig a little you can find evidence of US interference even in Israeli elections (I could be wrong but I think this was even in the wikileaks dumps this past year)

we dont, we just dont think its a problem

The Jews hate the West. Unless you also hate the West, you'd be best served coming up with your own ideal form of government that doesn't have jewish roots.

So, after all this, I still don't really get it. Does Holla Forums have a problem with the Jews, or not? Do you consider them to be irrelevant, or a minor issue, or a major one, or what? We've established that Jews have an over-representation in the 1%, especially in terms of their relatively small population. But does Holla Forums consider this an issue? I don't know.

Why did this thread die?

thats not what i have trouble understanding
what i have trouble understanding is why the US continues to protect a satellite state which costs more to protect than it rewards
the US hemorrhages wealth into israel and what does the US get in return?
you could bomb the entire region into radioactive black gas then build a pipeline over the ashes and that would be 3000% more cost effective for everyone involved with OPEC
piece what part together?
Saudis are a US puppet that doesnt fully obey what the US tells them too
because the US cant have the saudi supply of oil interrupted for longer than a week or the US will cease to exist at current consumption rates
the US is also allies with israel and Turkey who are de facto satellite states of the US
turkey controls access to the pipelines that move oil from the Caspian basin to Turkey where its shipped to Italy then the US
israel controls the pipelines that move oil from the Arabian gulf to Italy where its shipped to the US
yes but they have two interests here
a normal white non-jewish American, what interest do they have in protecting israel? especially if they arent Christian
they should have no interest in protecting a country that routinely antagonises oil producing nations and damages diplomatic relations to the point of interrupting trade
but a jewish American does have a conflict of interest
the only people in the world who benefit from the existence of israel are jews

Because it knocks down the whole idea the Jews are a big part of the 1% JUST because they're JEWS

>Stalin gets nervous, starts militarizing Poland's boarder
>Rosa begins sending troops to Poland to stop the Soviet march
>US still in a depression
TL;DR WWII is fought between Germany and Russia, USSR falls, and the West is much less hostile to socialism

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