Anyone here in Rome today ti protest agains EU summit? the pro-EU left (Varoufakis' diem25 etc...

Pretty easy when there are 400 of you quietly shitting the place up calling the other 600 polyps.

Quality thread, I'm proud of you, Holla Forums

Well nobody is in Rome, so it's an EU thread by default.

This is Liberal mentality, just because far right wants the EU dead doesn't mean that the Eu should be championed. The federation of any European workers organisation won't be a centr4al fucking bank and regulations on how much meat gets thrown into the meat pile.

The EU can not be saved, it's designed to go as far as it can, it does not want to be saved, it's a virus that cannot be dealt with. If you want to think about an International, you don't start with something so antithetical and try and change it, that is never going to work, it's not only impossible but the sheer effort involved would render is a waste of time.

That doesn't mean the EU should be wanted dead either. The EU is bad, but no EU is worse.
Atomising the porkies is taking a step back in Capitalism's evolution, it means weakening the labour movement, and it ultimately means making Communism much further than it already is.
Besides, the far right doesn't really want the EU dead, they want a far-right EU, although maybe without the name. And the EU is not going to vanish because communists fight against it or not, so the only thing we have left is dealing with that reality of ours, which is that the EU will continue expanding East and transfer of sovereignty from the states to the union will continue for at least a couple generations.

Capitalism isn't even shaping up to last that long.

No, it isn't. It means less central lobbying for global corps. You can change a country with some effort, the way the Liberals in England are going on you would swear there is a mandated Tory Govt for the next millennium. When their party is utter dogshit and is the problem in the first place.

Proletarian internationalism=/=neoliberal globalism

When the EU crashed they will make the debt on all of us, it's a fucking trap

Do you believe bourgs have less influence without the EU? Why don't you take a look at some great non-EU countries and see how well a divided Europe does labour-wide. Georgia, Moldavia or Serbia are great examples of that.
As for the UK, it has never really been part of the EU, and at this point they're pretty much the #1 classcuck country on Earth, their position only challenged by Poland and the USA.
If the EU is a country, you can do it, too, either for good or not. What would have benefitted most to Lenin: having an independent Poland or having the boundaries of the German Empire still intact when the succdems still hadn't killed Rosa?
Anyway, it's not like we have a saying in the matter. The EU is a material reality that's here to stay, so you either take it into account or you ignore it. You see which way goes well for revolution.

It's got about 5 years max

If you don't have money, you can't pay the debts.

This is conservative, I'd give the hold outs 15 max.

What a great in-depth analysis of the current geopolitical situation and trends of the recent years.
If you understand that competition is at the core of geopolitics, then surely you understand why the European Porky will not allow Europe to be divided.
Saying the EU will fall just because of the very recent crises it has seen is tantamount to believing Capitalism would end any moment now in 1930.

I seriously hope you didn't think this was what people actually believed.

Capitalism moves on from host after it feasts, upon collapse there will be all sorts of indentured servitude regarding the debts owed to banks, the IMF will swoop in and crush all before it.

The EU is not capitalism, if it falls Capitalism rolls on all the better.

And people who tried to keep countries in are going to get roped real good when SHTF, those who get out and plan for it will weather some of the storm.

Capitalism must be rejected in all of it's forms.
A world based on spending destroyed Greece.
We must remember that Merkel sacrificed a nation of people for the good of the banks.
Never trust EU. It must be destroyed!

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If the EU falls, the only that's going to happen is Europe will once again become an American colony, or maybe a Chinese one this time.
I honestly couldn't care less about which brand of hog I have to obey, but Porky does, and they certainly wouldn't want that.

It would have been stupid, wouldn't it?

Come on, Greece was shit before the EU, Spain was shit before the EU, Poland was shit before the EU, the UK was shit before the EU, ideologies of the kind the EU ruined X! are retarded.
The EU must be destroyed only if we destroy Capitalism with it.

fuck police is always the same shit. I've seen with my own eyes here. At a certain point some cops took off their helmets and suits and infiltreted into demonstrators with normal clothes. Three minutes after this, the police charged the demonstrators without reason. Probably they hoped the infiltrated cops will make start a fight, but thanks god the protesters stayed calm and nothing happened apart from a few injuried. Damn i heard cops saying "hey let's go into the students, they are easy to provocate".
This state is fascist, i want to join Brigate Rosse.

sorry if bad english but i'm too angry to use google translate every 3 seconds. I know police always did this but it's the first time i see it live.

The Greeks had built a modern nation with high living standards. Now the people have been reduced to prostitution and illegalities.
No money means crime and prostitution, and NO future. Children will be born into their world and if the Germans do not let the greeks rebuild, they can do nothing about it.
Recent reports suggest Greece has become a third world nation.

You might think the EU is something more than a trade coalition and sinecure for politicians, it's actually the power tool of the French and more recently, the Germans. Big nations like the French and the Germans have always needed to impose their will on lesser nations, now it can be done without war or disruption of trade. You just order bureaucrats to do it.
You forget that imperialism goes hand in hand with capitalism. Germany has always been an imperialist state.

This is when we communize

Shiggy diggy

Stop eating from the trashcan. No, there is no argument and no need to, not going to waste my time explaining how Imperialism works to you.

I'm merely using established jargon.
You're just completely shoving away and rejecting the issue by saying I am eating from the trash can.

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I said this ironically. We all know BR were bad

That's like claiming that the World Bank is internationalist user.

the EU might be an undemocratic neocolonial imperial bureaucracy but we should support it.

Figures a retarded newfaggot from reddit or facebook like you would support a tool of bourgeoisie.

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What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

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The UK is only standing still because it never entered the Euro.
The EU is forced Neoliberalism on a continental scale.
nope, see pic related.

Eh most of us are from /lit/ actually.

You can hate both.

the people from when we had 300 users were from mostly /lit/.
Almost everyone from mid-2016 onwards were Holla Forums or reddit.

We aren't Liberal retards falling for the Porky nationalism is bad so don't try and stop us routine.

That's why those who shill for the EU now and have to pay for the collapse, will be put against a wall. That's the company pro Eu idiots are keeping.