How can you tell if a member of your tiny splinter leftist group is actually an undercover cop or infiltrator from a...

I don't really believe you that cops infiltrate small leftist groups. The police service is facing cuts too, in this deep global crisis of capitalism. The state is getting weaker and weaker, that's precisely why leftist ideas are growing. The states of the world are not largely concerned about small leftist groups at this stage of capitalism's decline. That phase may come, but right now the ruling class is still too baffled by its own predicament, fighting wars amongst itself, to really be acting with any serious understanding of the situation. If they were smart, they would be infiltrating these groups. But look at them - the ruling class is in chaos.

a couple friends spent months in jail for conspiracy, and they thought their group was tiny and didnt even have guns or anything

is it worth it to try and find them at their job? cops wouldnt go that far right?

Where do you think you are?

USA?

Reading "Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist".
This also describes narcissistic wafflers (people who always talk about MUH THEORY, the kind that is a holy text that doesn't make any direct predictions and needs a priest, err, interpreter that tells us stupid folks what to think). Either way, people who act like that are a drain and it's good advice to avoid the avoiders.

Also describes people with a single-issue obsession. Describes newbies.

Once again, this could be cointel or just narcissistic twats. You see that on twitter and with goons, can be just sad shits.

I hate it when it's part of a theory that people will oppose it. You enter a logic loop here where any data confirms what you suspect.

That's a good description of what kind of person one should avoid, but, again, can be just a very narcissistic person.

Contradicting yourself when making up shit about your identity is also a sign of a narcissist.

As with point 5), the problem here is that any data confirms the model.

Not a very good piece. Just avoid engaging with people who act in a very narcissistic fashion. They are a drain on society. An undercover agent will act in a similar manner, since it's part of their job to drain your energy.

Just never leave the armchair my dude
Also read bordiga

You're all undercover cops, even you.

Yeah even if this leads you to avoid people who aren't undercover it's still good advice.

Undercover cops will try to exacerbate and accelerate situations regularly. Some leftists will do it just because they're gung ho, but be suspect of those that seem to always want to result to smashies, but will never participate in it themselves. The most suspect thing is if they try to egg you on to hit someone.

damn now im going to take extensive steps to not act like a spy.

I've heard generally they are the ones that keep pushing towards something illegal, if the group itself isn't interested in that.

kinda sucks we can't infiltrate capitalist groups and do shit like that.

The only type of Anarchy that is Porky is Anarcho-Capitalism

arguably even porky knows they need the state, ancaps probably are jus functionally illiterate

Stop being a paranoid little shit. It isn't like your little group of LARPers poses a threat to anyone powerful though I'm sure you like to believe it does since it adds a layer of realism to the LARPing

oh no it doesn't. but the cops are looking for some conspiracy charges, to justify themselves, and cops are such pieces of shit that they'll do anything even with some micro group (ie plant drugs, blackmail, lie, etc)

Are you in burgerland?

christ, at least porky knows how to properly smile.

true

Just assume every conversation you are having with someone will be in the hands of authorities.
Not all infiltration is some fucking cop out of college but can easily be your lefty friend you smoked weed with before you lost your virginity at 15 years old. Absolutely anyone can inform on you.

This system will stop at nothing to disrupt you, it's not going to go "lolz here's the reigns kiddo!"

Police and informants will agitate not for generalized violence, IE saying "the bourgeois deserve to die" but instead will call for more specific targets or people. They will also be more likely to engage in petty crime or attempt to get you to do so.

I'm not saying they are in yours but it has absolutely happened before.

I guess one thing you could do is be financially demanding of your inner members (ie the ones in on anything shady) so that the police will have to foot the bill if they want to come in.

It would be a lot of fun to find out who the cop is and raise the "membership fees" to $10 000 or something

I've heard the cop will often be the one to throw a lot of money around, ordering in pizza, buying the beer, generally getting the group drunk.

what were they conspiring to do?

most telling sign are background checks

if they dont want to talk about their history or stuff doesnt add up its very worthwile to look into it more

thats how my local leftist groups discovered most undercovers

they absolutely do, you underestimate how much money and time the police has on their hands for stupid shit like this. theres a leftist group in my city that at worst engages in squatting in terms of illegal behaviour and they had 3 undercover agents infiltrating the group for years, totally fucked up. one policewoman started a relationship with one activist and they were planning on getting married after 6 years together, when she disappeared

the police is mentally insane

how far do you think they are willing to go to put things about themselves online in the past?

Honestly man, the American security apparatus is massive and enmeshed with the civilian population to a degree Stasi could only dream of.

If you proselytize against the establishment and have a couple dozen members in one town, expect a local sheriff's department plant. If you have chapters in other cities, expect state police plant. If in other states, expect FBI plant. If you do advocate for violence, regardless of your group's size, you will have the entire damn alphabet soup at your meetings.

Rule of thumb is, if there's any exhortation to any crime, you're fucked. Marxist-style "revolution might be massively violent but will be inevitable" is a gray area.

my plan is to remind everyone always im a pacifist, perhaps to an annoying degree.

really hoping pic related is true, any source?

No source, sorry.

Unless you're actually making real waves in your community, you're not gonna get any infiltrators. The feds only roll in to target leftist groups they perceive as a real threat.

I remember at my local DSAs first meeting the chair brought up if we were willing to endure government surveillance or even action, and I thought it was kind of laughable, they're not exactly the Black Panthers over there.

it just seems prudent to start watching out as early as possible, if the group suddenly grows or changes, and a core members was a cop all along, that's going to be more difficult to deal with

Oh yeah, forgot to say. The bigger the group and the more capacity it has to rock the boat, the more likely Johnny Law is to use dirty tricks, like sticking false charges or just plain fucking you up.

But let's face it, in modern America, the chances of any group not conneced to the big parties reaching that level of power are near zero.

It also just occurred to me that nowadays it's extremely easy to record all group meetings, decreasing the chance of a plant making false accusations and whatnot.

DSA members aren't going to be getting arrested or violently targeted, but its quite conceivable the feds would try to engineer splits, create division, or infiltrate the leadership.

They have an entire division of fed accounts on Twitter that worship Phil and Molly.

True enough, they're a tricky enemy

What if someone tried to deliberating honeypot the honeypotters? Basically create an organization whose absolute goal is to recruit infiltrators, use them as free manpower to grow the organization and do organizing, and constantly spread propaganda aimed towards police and feds to try to convert them. Basically have the biggest, scariest militia constantly doing military exercises, learning how to make explosives, constantly talking about the revolution, telling everyone that the time to act is soon, doing everything you can to attract as much attention as possible, but never actually do anything illegal, while also doing community organization and creating duel-power, agitating, educating, etc. The propaganda aspect aimed at the feds might not be very effective, but at the very least you'll get free, dedicated recruits.

How can I be sure you're not a fed trying to trick us into wasting resources on tricking feds into wasting resources?

You're right. The Feds would see through that shit in a heartbeat; sounds like a way to just waste our time and distract from doing something really meaningful. We need to not waste our time fucking around and immediately begin driveby shootings and bombings of public places combined with firebombing of cities.

Btw who wants to join my militia?

Ask your suspected infiltrator if he would rim your asshole with his tongue. I've never known a fellow leftist who didn't love to give out rimjobs. If he refuses, he's probably a fed.

Newfag here, who are Phil, and Molly?

The better question is how can you tell if they're not. I feel like 9 out of 10 are cointelpro.

And thats just the cops. There was a snitch in a group I know of. It was just a normie with some kind of social disorder who happened to get to know some anarchists who told him about a demo. The sad pice of shit went to the cops, and the cops asked him to infiltrate the group for some cash money. He would always try to escalate situations, got arrested with molotovs and the cops let him go. He spent years in the scene before coming clean in the media. Completly insane individual.

The vanguard that protects us from Zionist/CIA imperialism.

very far. you have to actually question people from their past, like go to their schools and ask anyone from their year if they remember them and what they did afterwards and so on

I assume they're going to do something like 'conspiracy' charges, or even plant drugs, or bring up allegations of sexual abuse.

I don't think they play by the rules. If you don't do anything illegel, they'll make something illegal happen like have you drop them off at a 'bomb' site or something stupid.

I'm finding people on convocation roles for university programs they supposedly graduated from. I feel like a cop couldn't spoof that? Perhaps infiltrators will only ever say they didn't go to college, or didn't graduate.

probably the same as what happens online:
they either shitpost or try to get you involved in criminal activity.
obviously there is nothing wrong with criminal activity, just be wary of newfags trying to get you into it.

oh, and cops or corrupted assholes generally have plenty of money to throw around to bribe their way to the top of the pack.

Cops, even undercover ones, generally are under no obligation to participate in group-mandated sexual conduct while on the job. Pick a fall guy out of your leftist group to tickle a suspected cop's balls until they bug out and/or call for support. If they're particularly persistent, really commit to the vetting and either suck their dick or go straight to fucking them. The feel of a pig's asshole is unmistakable, so you'll know for certain if you go that deep into the background check.

If the suspected member comes out clean from the whole affair, you'll have the additional bonus of having made a loyal member for life out of the person in question.

Yeah this is why I bring it up, I hear the cop is always the most reliable comrade and always has access to transport/vans/etc if you need it haha. So why not milk the spooks for all they're worth.

Now I'm tempted to start an underground revolutionary socialist organisation with my mates just so the police would pay for my beer.
>implying I wasn't going to start such an organisation anyway

What are the types of activities people are even doing in these groups that leads the cops to think they need to be surveiled?

Ah yes, thank you offi- comrade, for pointing out that everyone who reads theory is a cop!

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