How has leftist politics impacted your religious views?

Class collaborationist. Jesus was a fash.

Atheism is tied to a materialist conception of history, which is essential to class consciousness.
Idealism is the enemy of socialism.

I know that you are using a rigid definition of progress to suit a particular political goal, I was ridiculing this.

It can serve the exact same role for justifying a state. You have yet to put forth any reason as to why atheism benefits anticapitalism.

Even if this (laughable) statement were true it wouldn't make humans any less irrational.

I don't believe "God wants communism," but that statement, if everyone believed it, makes a mockery out of your laughable Marxoid claim.

Haha, nice try cucko. Jewsus was a commie.

No.

Made me more emphathic towards liberation theology tbh.

Used to be an anti theist before.

good, good goy!

k, religion

WEW
The Romans were the masters
When Jesus walked the land
In Judea and in Galilee
They ruled with an iron hand
The poor were sick with hunger
And the rich were clothed in splendour
And the rebels, whipped and crucified
Hung rotting as a warning
And Jesus knew the answer -
"Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's"
Said, "Love your enemies"
But Judas was a Zealot and he
Wanted to be free
"Resist", he said, "the Romans' tyranny"
So stand up, stand up for Judas
And the cause that Judas served
It was Jesus who betrayed the poor with his word
Now Jesus was a conjuror,
Miracles were his game
He fed the hungry thousands
And they glorified his name
He cured the lame and leper
He calmed the wind and the weather
And the wretched flocked to touch him
So their troubles would be taken
And Jesus knew the answer -
"All you who labour, all you who suffer
Only believe in me"
But Judas sought a world where no-one
Starved or begged for bread
"The poor are always with us", Jesus said
Now Jesus sowed division
Where none had been before
Not the slave against the master
But the poor against the poor
Caused son to rise up against father
And brother to fight against brother
For "He that is not with me
Is against me" was his teaching
Said Jesus, "I am the answer
You unbelievers shall burn forever
Shall die in your sins"
"Not sheep or goats" said Judas but
"Together we may dare
Shake off the chains of tyranny we share"
Jesus stood upon the mountain
With a distance in his eyes
"I am the Way, the Life" he cried
"The Light that never dies
So renounce all earthly treasures
And pray to your heavenly father"
And he pacified the hopeless
With the hope of life eternal
Said Jesus, "I am the answer
And you who hunger only remember
Your reward's in heaven"
So Jesus preached the other world
But Judas wanted this
And he betrayed his master with a kiss
By sword and gun and crucifix
Christ's gospel has been spread
And two thousand cruel years have shown
The way that Jesus led
The heretics burned and tortured
And the butchering bloody Crusaders
The bombs and rockets sanctified
That rain down death from heaven
They followed Jesus, they knew the answer
All unbelievers must be believers
Or else be broken
"So place no trust in saviours"
Judas said, "for everyone
Must be to his or her own self a sun"

I was never very religious, I went to Catholic school and occasionally a priest would come to school and talk about how bad greed was and how millionaires lived off the labor of poor people.

Secular/agnostic before. Now I'm a deist/pantheist. Leftism has made me more contemplative of faith.

you are one dumb cunt.
like it or not jesus was the most successful socialist leader in history, even if he did lead posthumously

Nothing says socialism like the opulence of the church and the divine right of kings.

on the fence beforehand.
leaning towards religious now.
not sure what religion.
something abrahamic i guess.
the hardline materialist arguments don't convince me.

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Tell me where Jesus advocated for all that?
Tell me where Marx advocated for gulags and stasi?

I would never say Marx lead anything posthumously so I'm not it's the same thing. You said Jesus was "the most successful socialist leader in history who lead posthumously". What qualifies as an organization that was lead by Jesus posthumously if not the Church? Where are his great socialist achievements?

Your logic is flawed. Socialism was built on Christian teachings.

youtube.com/watch?v=DSzttF8EXrE

Anybody else who watched this in their teen years?

Wasn't Marx a jew, or part jew? Either way I find it hard to believe socialism is based on christianity when Marx advocates against religion.

Boring. Make your own religion.

Marx's father converted to protestantism. Various Christian communities/individuals such as the diggers were advocating for some form of communism or utopian socialism long before Marx. Even as an atheist you can't escape from the influence Christianity has had on the world.

"Even as an atheist you can't escape from the influence Christianity has had on the world."

That's exactly my problem. I'm not an atheist either I just have a large disdain for organized faith.

Jesus said a lot of great thing I'll give you that. But just like any other organized faith Christianity has also been responsible for a lot of terrible things.

Marx was trying to make a pseudoscientific rationale for communism, and he didn't really advocate against religion. Either way it's not like he invented communism, it existed before him, and you could argue Marxism did more to hurt the communist cause than help it.

I actually have become more tolerant of religions, whereas I used to hate them for some reason.

=GET THIS LIBRUL OUTTA HERE=

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fucked up muh shitpost

I've always been an atheist with a lot of interest in Christianity. That has not changed. If anything, I find it amusing how much Holla Forums reminds me of the Christian spaces I used to frequent. Only the far left seems to give Christianity a run for its money in terms of its constant infighting and tendency to split over the slightest difference of opinion.

It hasn't really. Never cared about religion.

its made me hate Protestants more than I already did. I also conversely think that Catholics are much more leftist than they are right wing, due to leftist propensities in their pandering to the weak and disenfranchised, promising equal standing in the eyes of god

Muslims and Jews are the same IME.

Same here but I hate my absolutely retarded pastor's preachings
and something else but I forgot
I also feel like a hypocrite sitting in church while lacking belief in god

Catholicism was the right hand of imperialism for centuries. Don't take Francis' feel good nonsense as a reflection of anything deeper. It's no better than Protestantism in any way. The best Christians were guys like Thomas Müntzer who stood up to the Church hierarchy in order to actually defend the meek and the poor to whom Jesus had promised salvation.

What i mean is that the Church in its heyday was its own authority unto itself independent of the royal houses of europe. It had more resources than many nations did and had its own military and intelligence networks along with dedicated bankers and merchant connections. It redistributed wealth and land all the time, was considered an asset to the common people and acted as a welfare apparatus. it also provided automatic employment for most men and women and was a common ideology for them to rally around. this is almost indistinguishable from the USSR down to its reliance on ambivalent relationships with "allies" who are fundamentally self interested (china and ussr, cuba and ussr; france and rome, spain and rome) and differ in ideology and end goals. i think that birds of a feather flock together and that the nature of theocracy resembles socialist dictatorship more than it does fascism or absolute monarchy. The King or Fuhrer is God, whereas the Church is God's work or image on Earth. Its a different concept. Protestants are much worse than Catholics, their wholesale endorsement of Capitalism and their fetishization of work are much more reactionary than Catholicism.

I don't see how one's political views could ever influence one's religious views, but I think the values of my religion lend to socialist policies.

I think my admiration for the franciscan tradition and the virtue of poverty really push me towards socialism. If you believe having large amounts of wealth is a sin, how can you not be a socialist?

Also there was this Christian marxist guy whose name I can't remember and I've been trying to find him for a while

Protestantism is a result of the Catholic church failing in its supposed function, user, always remember that

Also overall I think those attitudes in the various branches of Protestantism are because overall it's much more of an individualistic religion than Catholicism. There's more of an emphasis on the relationship between the individual and God, without much consideration towards the wider community/society.

Which shows in the catastrophic decline in membership/attendance of mainline Protestantism in the US (Episcopalianism, Presbyterianism, etc), the absence of "cultural Protestanism" similar to "cultural Catholicism" etc

I am much more apathetic to religious views than I use to

Learning more about liberation theology and red islam from comrades on here has made me more sympathetic to religion. I feel that going down the state enforced atheism path is a mistake. It might of made sense in Spain and Russia where religion was a central part of oppressive power structures, but these days we should be spreading leftist brands of the major religions. It still am not a agnostic but would consider myself as being more sympathetic to religion because of my leftist views.

still am agnostic*

Here's a few books that influenced how I think about religion. Maybe none of ya'll care but I'd at least give Terry Eagleton's book a read.

Not really related to leftism but reading more philosophy turned me from an agnostic to a christian existentialist.

He believes in nozing not even za state.

Borderline fedora -> opiate of the masses

I don't care for religion ideologically but it's much easier to understand as a product of material circumstances.

I don't think the pastor is the retarded one in this scenario, and I'm not even religious.

I had a similar development, from "wake up sheeple christianity is bullshit man!!!" to "eh, religion is just another spook in the haunted house"

Weirdly I've come to appreciate the idea when thinking in socdem terms.

When the state tells you to stop having kids, it's creepy. When your pastor does it, it's god's will.

In all fairness, not going to the church can be very harmful to your social life in some areas. Not everyone can withstand to be the apostate in his community. And not everyone can afford to move out thoses shitty communities.

went from sympathizing with christianity (I like dostoevsky) to going full atheist again after reading the Stirnmaster.

It's a view on religious policy. Or as OP asked, an impact on my religious views.

t. Doesn't understand philosophy

Well channers are confirmed to be idiots. doesnt matter if it is Holla Forums or Holla Forums, the beliefs are always retarded in this place.

Well at least it is a good place to troll retards since bigots are everywhere and deserve it

/r/atheism wants you back

I have always been Left Hand Path regardless of my political views so no not really

Still atheist.

Raised Catholic. The child rape scandal and other shit made me leave. Then I spent a few years trying to find the "right" religion and I realized how full of shit and exploitative religion is in general. I saw how at the simplest, all religion asks you to trust in something unproven and unreasonable, and people used it as a comfort to distract from their troubles (and therefore not address them). Quickly became anti-theist. The "opium of the people" quote made me sympathetic toward Marx.

I converted to Islam; it's both my political view and religion

Not quite.
It was after I picked up a science book that I started to question things.

Religion and Communism don't get along?
Enter Latin America. They somehow did it. I don't know how, but they did.

I'm still an atheist, but i have fewer spooks

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But I thought atheists weren't spooked?

I've actually have been considering converting to Catholicism. My aunt, who is one of the people who influenced my political viewpoints, was a Catholic socialist for much of her life. I also like a lot of what I've heard about Pope Francis. I just don't know if I can make the plunge. I don't know if I really believe or not. I keep teetering between believing and not believing in a divine entity.

I'm a Christian socialist

Jesus wasn't real

easy for you to say kuffar

Neither are you

Full Communist Church Militant when?

I dropped religion when I realised that it was being used to reinforce a system of inequality and suffering instead of challenging it

The religious right are pure scum

Christian leftists are comrades

can confirm at old school social gospelists fucking own

It never did. I never like organized religion anyway. Though i am a gnostic

Beautiful. It always pains me to see those who claim to be devoted Christians when they would probably denounce Jesus as a commie

I'm a sucker for the dark age monastery communes and christian hate for flesh
also, early christian fatalism was dope
Apocalypse any day now
they were posadists before it was cool

Neither is in the invisible hand, but it's still around all of our throats.

Used to be anti-theist atheist. Since becoming "woke", don't really care much for or against religion. Still atheist.

My only issue are with the religious right. Religion adapts to the society it inhabits, so its perfectly compatible with a class consciousness society.

I probably wouldn't even be a Socialist if I hadn't been raised Catholic. The only two political systems that really make sense from a coherent Christian world view are either some form of radical egalitarian collectivism or feudalistic Monarchy tbh. So when I got to around middle school and high school and I noticed that all my teachers and peers at Catholic school seemed to have reactionary pro-war and pro-capitalist politics that seemed contradictory to everything we were being taught I discovered leftwing politics and realized that's all I ever really wanted and ditched all the weird religion shit. Haven't been theist since the 7th grade, I do still respect religious people though, and think liberation theology can be useful to leftist causes, but only about as useful as "revolutionary nationalism", it's a real double-edged sword, that being said, can't say I've met too many openminded Christians who weren't just the most bland shit teir conservatives or idpol libs

The American-backed death squads did not differentiate between people who were trying to help the poor and people who were trying to liberate them.

it's actually the other way around

My leftist politics has actually lead me to Christ. Tolstoy also helped with that.

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Catholicism is basically cultural marxism. Fuck proddies. I'm not religious btw but was raised moderate catholic.

wow nice, source pls.

You're right, "don't use condoms because it's sinful" and "never get divorced" are marxist as fuck

This is shit literally just Poles and maybe some protestanized catholics in the US do.

I guess Islam's exhortations on helping the poor and condemnation of gross hoarding of wealth helped point me in the direction of basic leftism.

Other than that, they're not extremely related to each other, but harmonious.

I'd certainly be interested in hearing your stories.

Jesus predates communism by a long time, so if anything communism has similarities to christianity.

Anyway, nat ional socialism recognized Jesus and Muhammad as early revolutionaries against far-right of their time (and of our time, unfortunately) - zionists, while communists fought religion.

I myself am not religious, but I read and admire Muhammad and Jesus as historical heroes.

What's up with all this religious shilling on the left nowadays? I find it genuinely amusing.
It went from "New atheists are stupid" to "theocracies are kinda ok"

I remember there used to be quite a consensus on the left and the right that communism was godless.

Hardcore state atheism makes little sense these days. Capitalism has abandoned religion completely.

I actually found to leftist politics through Buddhism. Most Buddhists (that are not retarded Americans) are socialists/communists.

Just more COINTELPRO really.
Capitalism survives and thrives on reincorporating dissent into safe, ineffectual channels, and makes it profitable for individuals ("career activists") to do. Leading the charge against identity-based oppression is one method, as capitalism is not fundamentally white, straight, or male. Religious symbology and principles are, concievably, another. The original promise of eternal salvation in the afterlife was meant to distract from, and not rally people against, oppression on earth, just as the church in those days preached absolute deference to one's "natural superiors" ordained by God. Today it represents a clear-cut repudiation of materialist analysis of history - accepting that such a thing as "God's will" finds its expression in our world, works through unremarkable individuals and the masses, and supercedes "worldly goods" such as means of production, means we've rejected the driving forces of history and cut our emancipatory theory off at the knees.
Honestly the basic question of philosophy is that of the relationship between materialism and idealism, and idealist theories should be challenged at every turn because they cannot give us a real sense of the objective conditions which govern our lives.

I feel like making religion illegal is an immensely counterproductive move outside of a few select cirmcustances, but opposition to religion on the theoretical level is almost a foregone conclusion. The socialist program has no room for fantasy. The critique of intersectionality applies here.

I unironically think New Atheists are alright. A generation of kids today got introduced to philosophy and argumentation by listening to them. Sure, they don't break any spectacular new ground, and pop-philosophy is inherently pretty limited, but judging from the reactions they get they're about as deep as they could go for the niche they fill.
There's nothing really "wrong" in their arguments either, save for peripheral things like Hitchens' neocon apologism. But that amounts to treating the symptoms in a pragmatic way, rather than solving underlying causes, and all liberals are guilty of this. Pragmatism in general is something to be shunned in favor of a real understanding of historical forces.

Dude, dialectical materialism is just another spooky thing, don't you get it? I've been working with the RCP because in my view they have a decent program to actually oust Trump and Pence, they're the only group correctly identifying the problem of fascism and working to drive them out through mass resistance.. But damn if it's not just another religion. They talk about BA the same way Hare Krishna's talk about Srila Prabhupada.

I can't get behind the materialistic worldview. I don't deny the world exists in favor of some solipsism, and being active as a full time volunteer protestor has made me see that if you want to change the world, you first have to have a method of understanding it.

But, the issue I take with materialism is that it honors Man on the basis of a narrow scientific lens, by what can be measured, and puts 'science' (often pre-quantum, modern as opposed to postmodern, Aristotelian binary science) on a pedestal, and doesn't honor Man on the basis of The Infinite.

It's a kindergarten view to think in binary. However so much of the computers and stuff we use spits out for us these 'facts' about what is 'known', which is pure insanity. Observation changes the observed. Albert Einstein and Schrodingers Cat ffs. This is the new paradigm for over half a century. Adults view the world based in a gradient of probabilities.

I was reading the economist earlier and the whole issue was supposed to treat this idea of quantum technology. But they just copypasta from Wikipedia and don't try to understand it's implications. It's not just subatomic that this is the case. The photon is EITHER a wave or a particle based on the instrument used to observe it.

Anyway I'm still ironing all this out, I think all religions point to the same conclusions as science, both need to make concessions and adapt to a larger framework where they honor each other.

Tldr materialism is boring af and you can get rid of your student debt by joining a monestary I don't know why more people don't.

Who cares? Trump and Hillary are both worse. Fascism is just another prong of liberalism exposed to misdirect serious, intractable dissent with the current system.

lmao

No pls
"Observation" on any scale necessarily entails physical processes you dolt. You can't just "look at" an electron because sight is a physical process where photons are redirected by collision to strike photosensitive biological structures. If you want to "look at" some particle you have to collide a photon with it, and that collision introduces uncertainty by actually changing the momentum and/or state of that particle. On the quantum scale, this is significant, on the classical scale, it is not. You can observe a pendulum visually because photon collisions don't affect anything on the classical mechanical scale.
The photon is not 🍀🍀🍀EITHER🍀🍀🍀 a wave or particle but something from a third category which behaves with wavelike or particle-like properties under given circumstances, but cannot be directly said to be one or the other.
How bout you learn the actual math and see what quantum mechanics does before you concern yourself with what is means.

The left made me join ISIS.

ISIS is a far-right org