DSA: Hipster hobbyists or actual comrades?

Lenin is objectively one of the best marxist theorists of all time though, and Rosa is Rosa.

I have no idea why it would be preferable to have a hardline stance on figures from the russian revolution, when that's always the first thing to divide up leftists into separate autistic factions.

Relax my dude, of course no organization is above reproach. He probably just responded harshly since there's been a pretty long string recently of posts criticizing the DSA for dumb shit over the past few days even when they toe the anti idpol line and generally agree with Holla Forums

I think he's implying those are contradictory stances? I'm not really sure

he made contributions, but let's not kid ourselves. everything he wrote about party and economic planning needs to be thrown into the garbage.

I was being sarcastic. I think it's great that DSA avoids the path of Marxist cults. I think we can all find merit within both Stalin and Trotsky objectively without labeling ourselves Stalinists or Trotskyists. But from what I've seen from their public statements, Jacobin magazine, and tweets, they tend to be Luxemburgists and closet Leninists. Any figure from the Russian revolution is still taboo in American culture, including Lenin.

I went to one of their events in new york, they had a big poster of Rosa on the stage. the trots selling newspapers outside kept telling everyone the DSA killed her.

The Spartacist League has a presence in New York. It sounds like something they would do.

DSA is very friendly with another Trot group, the ISO.

No

And SAlt, I believe. You can actually be a member of both at the same time.

Holla Forums seems really triggered about DSA lately.

They are friendly with SAlt but SAlt isn't so big in the East Coast, as far as I know. DSA is also friendly with The Party of Socialism and Liberation (PSL). I am not a fan of PSL, but whatevs.

I know a guy who's a member of both DSA and the wobblies.
And another guy who's a member of DSA and Solidarity.

Asking a simple question regarding people's thoughts on the DSA is "triggered"?

Socialist Alternative here, not sure where you got this idea from, but you cannot be a member of us and DSA at the same time. While we want to develop stronger ties with them, and have been working with them in several campaigns, we are not as close as that.

t. Bookchinite

Is it disallowed in the SA or disallowed in DSA?

What do you think? Trots and MLs are both culty and suspicious of those who don't see things exactly their way.

What's the point of all these divided organizations? Why don't they all just fold into DSA, and give them their power levels?

Because they believe that Trotskyism, curating a special snowflake vanguard, and selling newspapers is the proper way of preparing for the revolution. Like any cult, once you're a member, it's hard to leave.

DSA may have some strategic flaws, but its biggest asset is that it's big tent and attracts a diverse amount of the left's energy into productive non-armchair action.

Yeah, definitely. It's large, broad-tented, and non-sectarian. And I admire that they get along with the other orgs.

Side-question: Is the PSL lowkey tankie?

Yes. They defend the USSR and make excuses for Stalin. Something something materila conditions.
The PSL defends North Korea and the modern Chinese Government. However they aren't Maoists but Marxist-Leninists.

The PSL is ideologically identical to the Workers World Party. The WW-PSL split happened because of petty internal drama between figureheads.

But the PSL is willing to work with other groups on the left, including DSA, ISO, and SAlt.

Oh ok, that sounds cancerous. But yeah, working together for socialist goals is good so it's not a big deal, I guess.

Sort of how I feel about the Communist Party USA. But right now the Left is extremely marginal and irrelevant, it's time now to unite and realize that actual fascists are taking power. We will all be destroyed if we don't organize and resist.

You think we should work with the CPUSA?

Yes, on occasion. Now is the time for Left Unity. The CPUSA has a lot of retarded analysis, but is willing to use their resources to further leftist agenda. I would even be willing to work with Hoxhaists if they were down.
I am not willing to work Spars or anyone else who calls everyone on the left Revisionists.

If you're too much of a cult to collaborate, your cult deserves to die immediately.

I'd say the DSA is very important in spreading actual Leftism in America, especially since nationalism seems to be growing. I mean yeah, DemSocs usually get a bad rep in the grand scheme of things, but it's either this or- what exactly?

Literally CIA

CPUSA is all feds though

user, by god, what could have lead you to this conclusion?!

In seriousness, I'm all for working with whatever left-of-Liberal entity you can find, even if it's just the Left Democrats, so you can gain organization experience and and talk to people within about the necessity of a more radical approach. So yeah, they're shit but that's what you have so far, and decrying "reformists" from your room won't help anyone.

If the radical Left wants a future, we'll have to hold our noses and, as individuals, work within other groups. Eventually they'll shift the political consensus leftwards and then we can form our own shit, but this time talking to an wider audience and not having the risk of turning into a bunch of self-isolating tankie cults again.

The red in their logo is the blood of Rosa Luxemburg……..

They deserve to be purged…..

At least they have a visible female presence. Better than the brocialist vanguards sprinkled in isolated corners across the map.

Tbh I'd probably join DSA but the fact that cancerous people like Eve Peyser who need that card to look cool on twitter are joining makes me want stay away. It's probably not as bad here in Ohio than it is in LA or NYC but I don't want to deal with Ultra Woke individuals who think I should be excommunicated because I listen to Cum Town or whatever. Maybe that's just some silly fear I have but I've heard stories of idiots like Sam Prichard ruining meetings.

GIRL POWER!

What part of Ohio? Brett Pain from Street Fight Radio attends Columbus meetings and he said he likes what they're doing in their community. A lot of the Ohio DSA folks I follow on Twitter seem pretty good.

Yeah I'm 30 min. away from Columbus and It would be cool to meet the street fight boys .

What the deal with Cum Town? I listened to the first few episodes and it was slightly racist, but a funny podcast.
What's the criticism?

It's mostly just performative woke people on Twitter trying to build their brand with outrage points. Just look at Eve Peyser, she was friendly with Mullen on Twitter and was a fan of his, but once some new outrage came about from some humorless scold trying to shame people for being friends with Mullen, suddenly Peyser hates Mullen.

The Cum Boys are big on irony and will say whatever it is that comes to their minds that they think is funny, even if it is offensive. It doesn't mean they believe it. They aren't into incest just because they like to make retarded incest parody songs. Most of their guests have been people of color, so the idea that Cum Town is racist is pretty funny to me.

wokes gonna woke

It's a long story but a twitter war started when twitters wokest members started digging up Nick's more edgy tweets and ended when a Turkish girl made a thread where girls posted their tits.

it's like reverse argentina

Worth noting that the tits were being posted in solidarity with Mullen. The qts are citizens of Cum Town. The fat asses and ugly women are the scolds.

The best part is she threatened to deport someone she didn't like on twitter.

bumped

Why the hell not?

From what I understand, DSA is just a networking and organizing framework for socialists.

PSL is highkey tankie but that doesn't preclude them from doing good work

bullshit

DSA rules say you can't be a member of a "democratic centralist" organization. Supposedly this is because they think Trots or Maoists will engage in entryism and cause a split or something. You can be a member of a different political group but it can't be Leninist.

Well, they aren't wrong. It's exactly what would happen if they didn't have that rule.