ABC's of Socialism #3rd video

#5 is Postcolonial Theory in a nutshell.

Can someone please shoop an image of porky with an Edward Said mask?

Communist and socialist parties of the time produced a variety of reading material including the Manifesto, most of which were easily understandable.

Besides, saying that a working class person could not understand exploitation is a bit condescending and patronizing on its own.

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Has Muke seen this? It would be a great image for one of his future videos.

This is probably fake but the kind of person who makes fake tumblr screens probably doesn't know the word Ummah

Hm

Were Said and other postcolonials expressly procapitalist?

Ummah just refers to the Islamic nation, AKA global Muslimry.

5. is horseshit. The Ottoman Empire had a ton of economic crises.

The Ummah (if that person is referring to the Caliphate) was not capitalist, nor did it have a proper state. It was a loose confederation of autonomous cities, under a symbolic leader.

Edward Said was anti-capitalist because he believed that colonialism was a unique an extension of capitalism.

TIL the Muslim World was anarchist until whites colonized the place.

The author in the pic believed it was communitarian.

So, Bookchin?

When did the Ummah stop being an Ummah? When the Ottoman Empire was established?

Ottoman Empire was in constant dialogue with the with the west, so with the rise of modern states Ottoman Empire itself underwent changes, before it was fully colonized and modern states were established.

You didn't answer my first question. You're implying Islam was essentially Bookchin before the West fucked with it.

I'm saying that ethico-legal standards and discourse within Islam itself underwent changes before these areas were colonized.

Free markets are very big in Islam though. Whether or not the Caliphate was a "real" state it still doesn't disqualify the fact that hierarchical production relations still existed, hence it wasn't anarchism.

You're implying Islam was anarchistic though as it didn't have a "proper state" until it became under European influence.

This is clearly a joke, but it is a good representation of the retarded American academics.

This is how all of America sees you if you say anything even vaguely leftist.

Yes it clearly is, but so what? Everything is "centric" so that can't be an argument against anything unless you're just a shill for the status quo.

To the degree that it allows buying and selling, but generally I disagree because district rulers can intervene and suspend markets given circumstances (like famine). Then there's Islam extreme hostility to usury. Also there's this.

I said the author (Wael Hallaq) believed it was "communitarian"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

So feudalism with Islamic characteristics.

Don't believe everything from meme-"communists". They don't read anything.

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TURD WOLRDISTS BTFO

I wonder what Roo will say to this.

Free markets aren't reducible to usury and profit-making. If anything, Islamonomics sound closer to Proudhon's Mutualism than anything communistic or Bookchinist.

Proudhon's Mutualism just with lots of charity thrown in. Zakat isn't a "gift economy" or even socialism, but a tithe.

my thoughts exactly

Things like the Gregorian calendar, Esperanto, and the Metric System are too Eurocentric. Non-European would have too much trouble wrapping their foreign minds around something so radically different to whatever they do.

Universalism is too idealistic. We need to differentiate ourselves, possibly through hierarchies. Every good leftist knows this.

I still don't understand what the fuck is intersectionality.

Free markets =/= capitalism. Ancient Athens had free markets, but if th primary source of labour comes from slaves, as it did in the Umayyad Caliphate, then it is a slave economy, not a capitalist one.

Basically the idea that race, class, gender, and sexuality all intersect and influence each other as equal partners, rather than class being the dominant factor that determines the rest. It also sees non-class distinctions in much the same way that Marxists see class distinctions, where "white" is treated as a bloc with its own specific interests that, because of racism are opposed to "black". This is obviously ridiculous because it would mean that the white worker and black worker are opposed, while the white worker and white porky are friends, which we all know is bullshit. The opposite is in fact true, and because they push this nonsense SJWs are reactionaries at their core.

No, they view class as being another intersection of oppression along with other social constructs, which ironically enough those marginalized groups hold to be static identities and thus deserving of recognition and power.

True, but I was more countering the argument that Islam is LITERALLY BOOKCHIN in its "true" essence.

This is the response I got

Telling them that there's a better way, that they can organize and develop collective agency is """"denying agency"""""".

Holy fuck.

I mean, not really

This is extremely obvious sarcasm, and everyone who replied is a stupid fuck.

Now if you want to see actual unironic dumb libshit, go to the Jacobin tweetstorm and check their replies. A lot of very annoying uncharitable reading.

Esperanto is legitimately too Eurocentric. It's a combination of all European language families, so upholding it as a universal language is kind of dumb. To someone who speaks Arabic, it really has no advantage at all over another 'logical' language like Indonesian.

I'll have a nice cocktail of Classcuckoldry; triple distilled ideology with a pint of identity politics.

yeah, its clearly b8

There is no denying that they're all too Eurocentric, but to play devil's advocate. Esperanto is technically easier than Indonesian. Not only is Esperanto easier than any ethnic language, its Europeanness is actually an advantage. Like it or not, most people on this planet speak an Indo-European language.

Furthermore, there is no alternative besides either picking a different language family to base your vocabulary on, mixing together Chinese, English, and Swahili, or making up vocabulary from scratch. None of these solutions really benefit anyone.

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