Stop rioting

Shouldnt communism be totally based on voluntarism ? Like-minded folks living and doing business communally, kind of like monastics?

Instead of forcing their neighbors, their employers and the State to conform to their demands and labor unions, etc? I wouldn't like it if some monks took my farm and mining equipment aka "means of production" and forced me to live like them and share their ideology; how rude!!!

Be the change you want to see in the world! Don't club your neighbor over the head because he enjoys his economic relations and you dislike yours. Tbh.

A voluntary form of communism instead of a "recolutionary" form would've saved a lot of lives in the past, no gulags or killing fields, no massive famines and evil secret policeā€¦.and communism wouldn't have such a bad and broken reputation.

You have no one to blame but your predecessors, hmmph!

If your commune is efficient and good people will want to emulate it, no?

Revolutionary. Oops

if it's not voluntary it's not real communism

Yes, lets just keep letting those people force us to conform to their demands instead haha GENIUS

I'm an anarchist but this tbh

you are free to live in a commune like monastics do and setup your own economics. You can even worship Marx and Zizek while you're at it, up to you.

Don't try to convert people by force, if your system can stand on its own then you don't need to genocide dissenters.
"There is no compulsion in religion" - Mohammet

How the fuck do you think things got the way they are now?

In the early days of capitalism, there were still millions people of 'primitive communist' farmer communities in Europe.

What do you think happened to them?

I'm sure my shitty communal village will soon convince everyone to socialism, I can already picture capitalists around the world being so impressed by my commune they voluntarily collectivize their own companies, no matter if the are small factories or global corporations.

Idealz > Realz the post

nice admission

Running a tiny commune with a few hundred people is absolutely different from running an moderately big city, yet alone an entire fucking country, not to mention such tiny utopian pisshole is completely detached from reality since in this day and age absolutely no place is based on some autistic ideal of self-sufficiency and this hasn't been the case for a few centuries.
Yes, there are tiny utopian communities here and there like Acorn Community Farm and surprise, nobody fucking cares about them because people have better things to do than LARPing

Voluntarism is a myth. Every society has to incorporate coercion to maintain itself in some way.

If I can't use force then why can they? I'm not allowed to use force to create a free society where people actually have their needs met but it's okay for them to use force to create a society dominated by a corrupt oligarchy where millions starve to death every year.

Labor unions have every right to riot. (And, employers have no right to exist. Wage labor is essentially servitude and robbery.) The working class are in the majority and are being collectively screwed over by porky employers and financiers along with their horde of lumpens, bureaucrats, hippies, yuppies, and scabs. Real America, worker and farmer alike, shall rise against the metic and degenerate hordes of Anti-America and eliminate them, to achieve our glorious manifest destiny.

Communism is shit because it's about the utopia of sharing shit. (And, Marxism is dogmatic and hardheaded as fuck.) I don't give a shit about that. What matters is who owns the workplaces, who has the political power, who IS the state. Who are the workers? Nothing. Who they should be? EVERYTHING. The Demos shall be the state. The workers shall be the ruling class. The militia shall be the military.

(Also, monks are literally castrated enuchs who cucked themselves to a Jewish desert god. A literal kike zombie.)

Also, commune will never mean hippie trash or monasteries, in my mind. Real communes are city-states like Florence and Paris during the French Revolution/Paris Commune. (And, they don't usually regulate economic matters, that is the job for the vocational guilds/syndicates.)

The only way to preserve or create such a direct democratic republic is to have a virtuous, property-owning citizenry, and the existence of employers is a roadblock to this end. Not to mention that private, apathetic individuals are a cancer on society. To save the nation from fun, we must create a republic of virtue, consisting of publicly minded and patriotic citizens.

Basically, individualism is cancer, voluntarism doesn't matter, liberty is democracy, communism is gay, and only revolutionary syndicalism, ultranationalism, and direct democracy can save the West from collapse or Oriental degeneration.

forced collectivism obviously can't work, so revolution is counter productive.

but no one really wants communism anymore

ahhh Gulag 101, I forgot that class.

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No economic system arises like this.
Let me remind you that Capitalism had to go through a series of revolutions against feudalism to become dominant.

The point is to benefit the workers over net growth you extreme simpleton. Even Marx himself said capitalism is superior at building infrastructure and accumulating resources; he just said that socialism will be necessary once those things are sufficiently built up to deal with inevitable class inequalities.

Voluntarism is impossible unless everybody practices it. Nobody does, so we can't either.

That's exactly what they're doing though. We're doing that backwards, killing the murderers and collectivizing their stolen property.

Freedom ain't free

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This but unironically

realz > feels dude

capital is materially totalizing

Stoped right there