What's your excuse not to be in rojava?

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I'm a communist, not a retarded wannabe.

so just vote "afraid of war/no combat skills" then.

Sex

I don't speak Kurdish

I have zero relevant skills, don't believe I'd be a good warrior, and do not find decentralized socdem which is bound to get crushed within a few years to be a sufficiently good cause to risk death for.

i also don't, but that's no excuse since you can always join the internationalists

also you don't need to be a soilder, you probably would be much more worthy as a farmer or gunsmith.

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fuck off phil

Make me, faggot

c'mon idiot, im not talking about iraqi kurdistan

I dont wanna lose my life fighting for a state in a region that is inherently unstable due to the resources in it.

There's no "cannot legally leave country of origin" option

just use "i don't know how to travel there / i don't have enough money to travel there"

by the way, where come do you from?

oh, boohoo. Imagine the interbrigades from germany trying to get to spain. "Oh well, Hitler wants us all in the camps, better just turn ourself in."

Some anarchist you are. Nothing less was expected.

I am old and unable to stand for more than a couple hours at a time without extreme pain, but I am a big guy.

Just get a trip so I can filter you, newfag tankie.

Guess you will continue to get triggered, snowflake edgy liberal.

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There wasn't an applicable option for me. I'm a type 1 diabetic and wouldn't have access to the medicine I need. Otherwise, as a communalist who has googled Bookchin, I'd try to go over.

The International Brigades had the Comintern, Spanish Republic and USSR to organise things and communism was far more popular back then

What does Rojava have? A few communes?

No military training and nothing to contribute to the effort. Maybe if they survive Turkey I'll head over when I've acquired useful skills.

you probably think in case of revolution you wouldn't be a soilder but a chairman don't you?

Are you saying anarchists are… incapable of getting things done?


Hmmm… :^)

Rojava isn't anarchist.

nice try 4/10

More like a local party member and organizer, maybe.

North Korea, maybe. :^)

It's pretty much just anarkiddies who are suckers for the Rojava meme, pretend otherwise all you want. And it still stands, you and your kind does not get shit done. You're an anarchist and have no organisation to make a move as evident by your posts. Your denial is adorable.

impossible, you dumb cucks only are worthable as slaves or lab rats.

Consider my feelings hurt, i hope you're proud. How will i ever recover from this?

I'm not sure whether or or you used the right shitposting flag.

no state =/= no organization
i just wanted to remember you that anarchists and communists don't have the same definitions of state.

also a burocratic paternalistic state isn't precisely what marx had in mind when refered to a the dictatorship of the proletariat.

i am, unlike the other faggot, a true marxist leninist, and as such, i do support the dprk in it's battle against US imperialism.
i don't quite understand juche tho, i use my flag only because there isn't yet a cuba flag.

Grasping straws, are you really this desperate now?

Are you saying anarchists have theory and valid definitions that should be considered? Quite the delusions you're riding, boy.

Tell that to the MLKP

That applies for so much more than just Juche, my pretentious little child.

Opportunists, they might as well switch flag and stop pretending.

Is the enemy of your enemy always your friend?

Juche isn't socialism. It even features something like a Korean Volksgemeinschaft.

Ah, the tankie equivalent of "cuck".

Ah, the anarkiddy way of talking themself out when confronted with reality.

Why don't you just use the stalinstache or hammer and sickle? It's a lot more clear than Best Korea


I'm sure Rojava's fighting force pales in comparison to your 10-man party, local party organizer.

said no one in this thread

of course, anarchists hold the same definition as "everyone else" about the state, marxists, in the other hand, say that a revolution is ,by it's mere definition, a statist action as is nothing but autoritarianism by one class over the other, but unlike bourgeoise "democracy", now the majority would rule (see the etymology of bolchevism, by the way), thus, if anarchists were truly against any form of state, they would be also against any type of revolution, that's why ancoms, are just communists who think modern automation is sufficiently advanced to just end with the law of value, without an intermediate phase: "socialism" (which isn't, by the way, a burocratic statist dictatorship, but a mode of production where the means of production are of public access, but since law of value isn't completely abolished, there is still a mainly exchangable-value based economy).

said the asshat who said socialism=big gubbermand

I don`t like nationalists.

What you did to Rosa speaks otherwise.

we just need to end that fucking meme

you guys are such fags its unbelievable, the biggest sociopaths i can think of are advocates of technocratic state socialism. nothing could be more anti-human or evil

Anarchist definition of the state: a hierarchical, centralized institution with a monopoly on violence within a particular area.
Anarchist definition of government: that institutions which reproduces social relations by maintaining some form of order.

Just because you read Lenin's autistic screeching about what he thought anarchism was doesn't mean that you suddenly know everything.

Read a book, moron. This is why tankies are cancer.

I just would think it would be quite embarrassing for my family when I died. Also I'm a poor student. After all they recommend people not to come but to send money

However, I like them, I'm not afraid of death and I'm a trained army medic (9 month conscript training)

Not all Leninists are retarded tankies though.

Btw this thread is cancerous as fuck, that Lenin guy sure smells like COINTELPRO

fixe'd, the guy just seemed to be a Holla Forumsyp resently converted to an edgy nazbol.

Because I'd rather sit on my arse and wank to cartoons

I have several: leftcom.org/en/articles/2014-10-30/in-rojava-people’s-war-is-not-class-war.

What's your excuse, OP?

my excuse is that you are a leftcom.

now being serious, make me a tl;dr.

There's no "I have chronic medical problems that would interfere with my combat duties" option.

it's not REAL socialism tho

first; there is: afraid of war/no combat skills
second; you would be much mor worthy as a farmer, or a gunsmith.

TL;DR: "people's war" is not class war; it's progressivist nationalism coated in a shade of red. I'm a communist, and if there's not even a serious hint of class rhetoric at the core of the movement, why do you expect me to involve myself? Let this mess precipitate itself and either establish itself or collapse already. It might be useful for industrializing some part of the middle east into a modern capitalism and combat some obviously very patriarchal norms there, but that's it.

I suppose this complete lack of class rhetoric is unsurprising considering Ocalan's PKK managed to ideologically downgrade from the already awful Marxist-Leninist ideology to Murray "dude, weed lmao" Bookchin's so-called libertarian municipalism. At least ML pretends to be proletarian.

Now give us your excuse for not being there. Every poster here shilling for Memechin and telling us to aid the Rojava Revolution(tm)'s cause is always telling us to lend our bodies to it, and yet here they all are at best dropping 5 dollars of their allowances to a fundraiser instead of taking a plane straight to Syria to actually make themselves useful.

Dumb leftcom poster

Your ilk should have been banned forever ago

you mean the reality of MLs and Hoxhaists fighting for Rojava?

Very convincing arguments. I'm stumped.

>he wants people banned for not not following the party line disagreeing
Join your comrade here:

If you want a safe space where your ideology does not get challenged, you should hurry off to Holla Forums.

I honestly don't think that would practical. Even here in the USA, I have to drive several hours to [certain big US city] in order to get properly treated for the condition I have. I doubt that I would be able to find healthcare that specialized in Rojava/Syria/Iraq.

Do you know of anything I could do to help out while living in a developed nation? I really want to support the revolution, but I just don't see how I could go over there with my health issues.

Go be a class collaborator somewhere else leftcom

so, it's the good ol' leftcom antinationalist argument…
first, nationality as an identity is only a class identity transferred to a geographical border, as such, "nationalism from below" is nothing but to say that the population living withing a certain border is overrepresented in the global proletariat (and vice-versa). the myth that they're etnonationalists is that; only a lie, as a compatriot of mine in rojava said they're less nationalists than a local movement we have here (and believe me, they are not remotely chovinistic).

the nationalistic component only is poisonous when it doesn't hold socialist ideas (or even, holding anti-socialist policies) as it would become undoubtedly an imperialistic state.
or when it lacks of internationalistic interesses, as it would mean that such a revolution wouldnt mean shit in the war against the global bourgeoise.

now, my argument not to be in rojava is merely because i need to meet some more people to join me.

do you know what ANY of these words mean?

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Are you saying this in defense of Rojava and Bookchin?

For the uninitiated, Bookchin explicitly rejected class struggle in his "Listen, Marxist!". For another taste, directly from his "Thoughts on Libertarian Municipalism":
>Some anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-communists have recently written that I do not “believe” in the existence of classes—an accusation that is almost too ridiculous to answer. I have no doubt that we live in a class society; in fact, conflicts between classes would doubtless exist in citizens’ assemblies as well.
"Citizens' assemblies" being the title given to the primary organ of delegation in his ideal established system of libertarian municipalism. Ergo, Bookchin does not explicitly consider class struggle to be outdated and the proletariat capable of being a revolutionary subject anymore (current year!), but that it is "the people" that are, bourgeoisie included.


Rofl. I get that Bookchinites have their own very interesting ideas of what things are and aren't like, but this is retarded.

You need a big dose of Mattick: marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1959/09/nationalism.htm.

You have your "comrades" over there. Why do you need a cohort of buttbuddies to make yourself useful to a movement that is not just temporary, but one you consider revolutionary? You're putting your lifestylism before the supposed vital importance of the movement's success, which requires manpower ASAP. Either you're in or you're not.

let me explain further, not to sound like a nazi:
you just don't hate spics because they're ugly and smelly, but because they're stealing your job, now there are two main answers to that dilemma:

and the

It's less that the immigrant is "stealing your job", and more that you profit off his labor and want to steal his job if the good white people jobs dry up. In the United States, so-called racial division is more driven by settler self-interest than some plot by the ruling class to deceive good white working people.

tl;dr readsettlers.org

It's the GMiL meme come to life.

Are you sure you're not a false flag trying to make Rojava's supporters look even worse than they already are? Some of the worst responses to left wing critique of Rojava manage to look less uninformed and uneducated than you are. You're making pieces like this look amazing: roarmag.org/essays/zapatistas-rojava-anarchist-revolution/, and no: I'm not kidding.

still sounds Nazi

I'm preparing

M-L is dead.

Armchair is far too /comfy/.

Stop this.

That's why I'm an Egoist. I won't ever be a revolutionary unless it benefits me directly and I look cool while doing it.

Because you can do just as much or more in the heart of the empire. Though I guess if you've been brainwashed by the Guardian enough to believe that YPD is the only good left guerrilla movement in the world, you should go there to learn something and instead of being ignorant and worthless here.

I've been saying it forever and people thought I was shitposting, but egoist centralism is literally the way to go.

YPD would have fallen apart by now without ML support, and actual members would never talk like this. You're basically just using their cause to ornament your persona.

If I can sit in my armchair and call everything I don't like a spook I'm down.

Rojava would have fallen apart by now without American support. That doesn't make it neoliberal capitalism.

The point is not that there are no M-L parties or organizations left today, or that they haven't helped revolutionary efforts (Like the MLKP). The point is that M-L is dead in practice as a governing ideology.
I know not of a single influential M-L movement or dominant party in the world today.

Oh look, another non-sequitur ad-hominem.
Because why would anyone join any cause whatsoever other than to "augment their personality". Because that is pretty much how almost all (mainstream) politics is perceived these days: Personal branding and sports culture.

You havn't joined any cause though, and everyone can tell by your shitty posting. So please, shut up, actually go to Rojava and learn something.

This is fucking retarded, and is proof you don't know anything about the cause you claim to support, much less anything about the world we live in.

but it's true, there is no important m-l movement in the world now.

ya im just gonna stowaway in the cargo hold of a fucking cross atlantic flight wew

wew.

And you say this while boasting of a little faction of a civil war that has yet to establish much of anything worth noting?

Just ship yourself to Syria and actually make your rhetoric a reality already. You're incapabale of defending your autism over here or convincing anyone of anything no matter how hard you shill, so you might as well go actually make yourself useful somewhere.

mcfucking kill yourself

Yes, because Phillipino, Turkish, Cuban, Nepalese, Indian, Nepalese, and Chinese MLs, all of which hold and control territory don't matter.

kek

Arent the Nepalese Maoists? Just like the Phillipinos? Also where do Turkish ML hold territory?

Also please give information on these Chinese Marxist-Leninists.

you just said that twise

did you know maoists are not the same as m-l right?

Maoists are a kind of ML, just like all the others I listed. You're just trying to re-define words and make false distinctions because these movements don't align with your idiotic fantasy.

i just don't know how making the means of production of public access makes me a porkie

You first.

>yfw Holla Forums will be the first board to hear of "not real libertarian municipalism!" after the civil war is over

when will you leave?
I'd take Nazbols over bookchinites tbh.

Maoism is ML you dipshit. Cuba is highly revisionist but still ML.

Jesus fuck I need to leave this thread

maybe 2011 cuba could have been categorized as m-l, but now is just neo-chavism.
it's nothing like a highlight to me, i love that country.


no fucking idiot, m-l is scentially anti-revisionist, where maoism is revisionism itself, as proclaims a peasant's guerrilla instead of a industrial-proletariat revolution.
maoism is just violence-fetichist primitivism

See, exactly what I said. You have a skewed perception of reality, so you replace how the word Marxism Leninism is used in the real world with your own definition. Maoists consider themselves ML, most MLs (unless your a Hoxhaist or Trotskyite) accept that they're MLs. That's all that matters.

I am allready saying it now, and I tell anyone that is willing to listen that Rojava wont overcome capitalism. I wish people would just read and understand some basics instead of endlessly trying to redeem socialism in one country.


atleast stay consistent

Who cares what delusional Maoists think

Most people actually involved in left wing guerrilla movements that do real work. You're the one who is delusional.

fucking retarded
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward


Trots aren't ML.

You can clearly judge how well an ideology works by counting the numbers of its adherents.

Both are Socialist, for now, I'm betting Rojava falls first.

ok you are entering levels of tankie delusions never thought to be possible here

Keep ignoring the original point though.


pri.org/stories/2015-02-25/cuban-cooperatives-present-new-economic-model
counterpunch.org/2016/08/16/cooperatives-becoming-bigger-part-of-cubas-reforms/
fordhampoliticalreview.org/economic-liberalization-in-cuba/


Same with the most of the others.

The MLKP is not a dominant force. Part of the struggle. But not dominant.

Wutt? Red flags doesn't make a system "M-L".


I hope before the end of next month.


There's no problem with that though, especially if it wasn't operating according to the principles of demcon. Criticism is healthy, and I've seen plenty of libertarians, anarchist and communalists critique Rojava. But the tankie criticism of Rojava is often done in bad faith.
There's a difference between debating whether Rojava is or isn't Marxist, and openly cheering for it's destruction by Turkey.

Either way, this arguing is futile. Rojava is the largest ongoing revolutionary movement and it needs all the help it can get. Spain got ten-thousands of volunteers, but Rojava doesn't even come close.
Even if you don't agree with everything, it's still our best chance. And if you want more ML, Join the MLKP. They're also participating in the revolution.

tl;dr: Even if you're a tankie/M-L there's no excuse not to help Rojava

So a couple hundred millions: youtube.com/watch?v=wXXjJiA0S-I

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalite
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_India_(Maoist)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala

It's certainly one way to gauge success. If you can't gain adherents, you're not organizing properly or your ideas just arn't practical. And it's impossible to have a discussion about what words mean without a discussion of how they're actually used among people in a practical context.

You're not helping Rojava, you're lying about it to advertise for your personal brand. Please stop posting.

twitter.com/cordeliers/status/836267541383294976

If you're wondering why there are those who only support YPD, and don't support any of the other movements they are allied with, this map is why. They're basically just roleplaying because the empire wants to use YPD to balkanize Syria.

since when was karl marx a black man

I'm actually curious now, what would that be?

Only when thinly veiled pro-Turkish propapanda stops.
Don't worry though, soon this board will have one less bookchinite shitposter.

Worthless leftcoms and cancerous tankies hating communalism only makes communalism more appealing.

I've never seen anyone without the islamig gommunism flag who didn't hate erdogan's guts.

Lol way to expose yourself as one of Molly and Phil's cult by linking to that twitter account. Go back to your twitter Tankie club you fucking retard.

lmao no

I'm not referring to Muslim socialists, or even the Turkish posters on this board.

I'm referring to the small vocal minority of tankie shitposters (Both here and on social media) that are rooting for Turkey to destroy Rojava.

Unlike them I actually support YPD. Doesn't make that Rand Corp. plan any less real.

Your position isn't that of YPD, YPD doesn't write off MLs and actively works with MLs. I don't see how that has anything to do with Turkish propaganda.

This literally only exists in your mind.

all MLs need to be propagandized against as the fucking revisionist retards they really are

ML isn't socialism. Never was and never will be

Some tell-tale signs you are a fake YPD supporter:

-You pretend YPD is the only progressive movement in region.

-You pretend YPD doesn't receive open support from Russia and the Syrian government.

-You don't give a damn about the PKK.

-You compare it to anarchist Spain to make sectarian points against YPD allies.

Assad? Sure. Turkey? Absolutely fucking not.

Where did I argue against working with MLs? My point is that ML is not alive as a governing ideology. ML is not the dominant socialist current in either Rojava or Bakur, even when ML groups are fighting on its side. What is so hard to understand about that?


Check the Rojava thread, check any time Rojava is mentioned, check Phil Greaves twitter and the tankie clique he's part of, the relevant subreddit.

I don't mind the blatant shitposting, but some people are actively spreading anti-Rojava propaganda,: Implying that they're card carrying imperialists or engaging in ethnic cleansing.


Haven't argued that.

Haven't argued that in the first case, but the latter is sketchy.

Your interpretation, not my point of view.

Did you even understand what I wrote?


Who else has the will and means to destroy Rojava? US? Russia? the KDP? Assad?

I was honest about being afraid of war. And "fear" I wouldn't say so much as knowing its literally just asking to have your head cut off by some crazy ISIS fuck.

I mean, I support those people and wish them all the luck but America is already plenty fucked and I feel like I need to take care of my home too.

I don't speak Kurdish language so I'd be useless anyways. In general its like white bitches going to Africa on two week mission trips.

Its very ineffectual for some white kid like me to be over there. I have zero understanding of the situation and could end up fucking things up more than they are just by being there.


If I went over there I'd strictly be in an aid role. I'd prob carry a weapon for safety but would focus on building stuff, teaching people, and useful shit for building "actual" socialism.


We need more than just militants.

God dammit what the fuck ? My browser inserted all these fucking newlines. Sorry guys didn't mean to do that.

They teach you about the struggle and the history of the region while you're there. It's not like they're sending you in blind with a gun. Besides, you can just volunteer to work, front-line duty isn't necessary.

Don't underestimate yourself or what you can contribute. Any volunteer that goes there helps. Whether you're on the front line, taking care of the ill and wounded or help build up the economy and spread knowledge.

This is true as well. Really for any revolutionary movement.

"ML is dead" would be interpreted by most as sectarian slander and not as a statement from someone who wants to work with them. You're moderating your position because you got called out.

I'm not. I see no road for ML to be implemented in the 21st century.
For example, how would the MLKP - if successful years from now - implement ML in either Rojava or Turkey, without clashing with communalism/democratic confederalism?

Rojava isn't the only place in the world. And I don't see how the two clash. YPD is dependent on all sorts of entities, and MLs are probably going to be the most reliable. I like YPD and support the YPD, but it's not an example to uphold in sectarian debates because it's small, might not be able to defend itself, and has to work with the people you're debating anyway. There's a difference between people in Rojava and people who have a little YPG flag on an image board.

No, but it is the only growing revolutionary struggle that isn't Maoist.

I'm not denying that.

How? Why?

Current revolutionary M-L movements (not Maoist) are even smaller. And that still doesn't answer how M-L can be implemented alongside communalism/municipal libertarianism/demcon.


You do realize people use the YPG flag because we have no communalism flag at the moment, right?

Im a middle-class fuck with things to lose. As nihilistic as I can get, Im still afraid of doing things that would make my life significantly harder, despite my values.

I know shit is gonna hit the fan and it will get rough no matter what but for now I just wanna live a little. It's selfish but it is what it is.

they're scum

I missed you baath-poster.

You don't have to go as a volunteer fighter. Revolution is built with more than guns, they need humanitarian help and organization. Federalizing Syria is a hell of a project

They'd have no use for me

What if all of the above?

Russia needs a foreign leigon

There is the ANG (Arab Nationalist Guard), which is a Nasserist Pan-Arab org

pick one

I haven't had any tactical or firearms training due to being a dirty conscription-resisting faggot, nor do I own any guns. Oh well, if the army's not red, it's not my army.

This. The road to materialism ends at Egoist Centralism.

Stirner and Bordiga were the most despooked, sharp, materialist thinkers in history.

do you mean left communist? how is the prospect of revolution from your armchair?

This tbh

Can't be serious XDDDDDDDDDDD

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Rojava is imperialist bullshit for leftists. Same as Kosovo.

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According to this logic North Korea is a democracy.

…Trotskyists aren't Marxist-Leninists (read: Stalinists) at all.

im trans and i don't know what they'd think of me there and I want to have access to hormones

i am guess both that i don't have zero combat skills and i don't know how to travel there / i don't have enough money to travel there…

but i have promised myself i am going if i don't get into school next year

This, that is some next-level memetics.

Still waiting on an answer to this one, OP.

Would they have any use for a college educated IT tech. Rhetorical question, that's why I'm not there.

in interviews the YPG are pretty clear in that they want soldiers, experience not needed.

ofc Cuba is ML, Marxism-Leninism has always been state capitalism.

There are many, many reasons. For one, I don't want to use the commons to invest in his large brood of low Autism Level children when they are so likely to grow up living off the commons and their kids as well. It's just a stupid investment.

The equivalent of cooperatives and workers' self-managed units existed in the very first ML nation. This is hardly alien to Marxism-Leninism in any way whatsoever:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovkhoz

Because I don't care?

You stupid

There's a difference between having a few scattered cooperatives and making them one of the center-points of your revolution.

Modern Russia has coops, the US has coops, even China has coops.

Do you have any how large the self-managed sector of the USSR was? The Yugoslav Illyrian "market socialist" reforms were directly based on the USSR's Kolkhoz and Sovkhoz systems of cooperative production.

As per usual, you reveal yourself to be ignorant of even the things you try to oppose, and then you wonder why nobody buys your shit.

I'm not spooked by nationalism like you.

also, why are tankies so obsessed with bizarre revenge fantasies against the bourgeoise?

I do. But it appears to me that you're not seeing the central point I'm making. In communalism and its derivatives the cooperative economy assumes a status of primacy, across every sector, not just agricultural.

Here we go again.

Are cooperatives/worker councils central to M-L or aren't they?


At least be an honest nihilist and admit you don't care, instead of slandering the federal project for being ethnonationalists. Days no less after they purged a party that advocated ethnic cleansing.

I'm graduating in IT before I go. They are stuffed full of humanities graduates and of course they would have some use for us.

This is a weak excuse. There's no reason why you can't go alone.


So you've been through the application process? Not to be patronizing but you can't just go out there, there are specific times of the month when you can meet up with them and you have to tell them in advance when you're going.


'Volunteering to work' is a much harder proposition and (I think) you would need to know Kurdish first. For a long time there was no access to Rojava except for military volunteers.


They're recruiting teenage girls m8, I'm sure they'd take you. Although obviously you'd need to work on your physical fitness.

looking much better than from the front lines of a national liberation movement doomed to fail via lack of international support

Scandi kurd reporting in.
I am going later this year, maybe begining of fall at the earliest. I just need to apply to basic in my country and hopefully get in. Cash is settled, I also just need to buy equipment, but that'll come later. Then there's the matter of learning a little kurmanci which I am in the progress of. My mother lived under Saddam's arabinisation of kurds, she got to lucky and managed to move to the Soviet Union in her teens, then she moved here. As a result she has forgotten some kurmanci which in turn meant I didn't learn it as a child.
Already made my peace with the concept of death a long time ago. I have no idea how I will tell my famalam though, especially my mother. I can only imagine how hard it will be for her to see me go back to the place she escaped from. I have aunts and cousins in Baghdad tho, and I really want to meet them aswell.

HEVAL GALEN IS THAT YOU BRUH?

What equipment?

Maybe Americans really should go to Rojava. In Europe chances are there for revo when world currency system collapses, but in the US there literally is none. Also US culture is deeeeply bourgeois-degenerated. It WILL hurt you.

I feel a need to agitate in my own country but I know theory, I'm not an agitator.
Maybe becoming a full time militant revolutionary would work, but it's just a small slice of land in the middle east when the world revolution is coming in 30 years.

Guess I am just not committed.

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Some good footwear, underwear and socks that aren't years old, military-grade backpack, bullet and scratch-proof sunglasses, the recommended list given by YPG international, etc. I'll probably buy a vest in Sulaymaniyah, along with a knife, maybe a scope, and so on.

Since when can't you study IT online? I've learned of what I know this way.


I hope you realize they will help you get over the border. It's really just a ticket (and some supplies) away.


You agitation will carry a lot more weight if you actually fought in a revolution. Armchair intellectuals don't garner as much respect as someone that actually put themselves in harm's way.

No money and my boomer parents would freak out.

I prefer to stay comfy at home with my tendies and frog memes.

Got a link?

Are they physically reliant on you? If not, go.

My friends, parents, and really pretty much everyone I know aren't happy at all. But if you let that determine your life, you won't go anywhere. As long as you're not a loner, chances are someone will dislike your choices.

The point is to build a better future. Your parents are boomers, when capitalism hits it's breaking point they will probably be gone.
They've lived their lifes, now it's time for you to live yours.

Look on the ypg international website, or check some of the reddit AMA's. Was 1-2 months since I actully read the list. Some volunteer stated that their list isn't really enough and you should bring more shit

As it happens, a packing list is one of the few things left from the old Lions of Rojava site: archive.is/DFPnc


I've been told Sulaymaniyah is far more friendly to Rojava and thus a preferred port of entry. But does that "friendliness" really matter? Because all other things being equal, Erbil is a lot closer to the Syrian border.


Not that guy, but I can't find it either. Tho there's this too: reddit.com/r/kurdistan/comments/39mvk4/joining_the_ypg_packing_list/

My reason to not be in Rojava is that revolution is an international endeavor, and thus our duty is to advance toward it on our own localities, rather than fall for the adventurism of buying a one-way ticket to Turkey and joining some guerrilla in the East. If the Kurds are successful they probably won't survive for long under the world capitalist hegemony.

Communalism allows for participation in bourgeoisie democracy tbh so they might have a shot

The trip itself could be educational. If they're semi-autonomous and generous with their oil sales I think the region could last a while.

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They will arrest you in Erbil if they have the slightest suspiscion.

according to some "former commie" in an interview on german TV, who met Che in germany and talked to him, about wanting to also travel the world and fight, he was told pretty much what the user said you replied to.

I swear. We could have a revolution in Germany or the UK and you faggots would complain that it would be doomed because "UK and Germany aren't superpowers, they won't survive under the world capitalist hegemony :^)"

Well, then on this he was wrong. Because what is the point if you can't win in Syria and use it as an inspiration for other revolutions? It's just an excuse not to do anything at all.

Considering Che's life and achievements, I doubt he literally said this and words haven't somehow been taken out of context.

Russia was hardly an industrial hyperpower in 1917. Would you have called it doomed because it wasn't a "world revolution"?

Rojava isn't socialist to begin with so i'm not arguing for Che flag poster. I have other differences there.

And che only replied in the sense of the first part of Che-flag user. Do your revolutions where you're at home.


No, but they had the bolsheviks and revolutionary theory, not some schizophrenic wild ideas. Refering again to Rojava, of course.

in example
If Wagenknecht suddenly started to talk about a "revolution", it'd be a mild variant of Sanders rhetoric and nothing more. If she then started about creating some east german break up on top to implement her social democrat pipedreams of a social capitalism, i wouldn't support her either.

And what militant revolutionary movement do you suggest I join? One of the hundreds of 12-man communist parties, or "socdem" social actual neoliberals?

First-Worldism is the cancer that erodes the revolution.

And yet, it works.


Yeah, except Rojava isn't anything like that. They don't want independence, they don't want to remove Assad, and they were abandoned and then fought back against ISIS.
Shouldn't they have a say how they want to run the lands they inhabit, Mr. Anti-imperialist?

Why aren't you, OP?

Probably not serious.

Maybe?

Would be better than expected.

Shit poll fam.

i want to fight for Assad and/or SSNP

I hope you realize you can already do that.

Call the Syrian embassy in Moscow, they can direct you further.

Health problems, which isn't in the poll

Wait, she's martyred?

Shehid namirin, heval ;____;

Wha health problems?

It's not that I'm afraid of war itself, but more so I just have loved ones back at home that I don't want to leave behind.

I mean after the civil war is over. 100% the US will turn its back on Rojava once they're of no use to them. Russia will likely do the same

Fuck you

What kind of justification would the US or Russia even be able to use to invade a federalized Syria without sparking international uproar?

Did I say they would invade?

No combat skills, but not afraid of war.
Have money to travel, but don't know how to get there or join up.
I'm also fat, have zero hand eye co-ordination, I'm autistic as fuck, (as in actual diagnosed autism, not bullshit meme autism), so no social skills. I don't speak Kurdish, Arabic, or Turkish, and I suffer from regular panic attacks, and have a related tremor in my right hand.

Honestly, this meta shit is even worse.

This is correct. It just isn't a large enough justification not to join them. The simple matter is that we must go to areas which have the potential for actual socialism and 1. help them and 2. ~convert them~.

You should be pragmatic. You should be realistic. You shouldn't discard what you believe in, not in the name of pragmatism, but you should be at least a little practical.

Although it's obvious Ocalanism is better than communism. Ocalan's pet ideology is at least more holistic than "dude labour lmao", which while equally fucked is easier to deal with.

You don't have to fight. That removes most of your issues. Remember your main role will be propaganda – you're a westerner (presumably), they're not just going to throw that candy away.

You can learn Kurdish. You can learn how to join them. You can even learn social skills. The only remaining issue is: do you want to go?

And that is a big issue. Don't go if you don't want to go. That'll just be shit for everyone.

Capitalism can only end with its centers: America, UK, China, Brussels, etc. If you don't tear down its centers, it will just fund a militia to overthrow your small socialist nation. I feel more useful agitating for change in America.

Yeah, and when's that going to happen?

People only turn from capitalism when it's failing. It isn't failing. No matter how many butthurt liberals, no matter how much working-class angst, it's not failing. People will try something different, but not too different.

Maybe later, when things are worse. And work in these central places shouldn't stop, either. But right now it's actually more practical to do work in Syria as well.

go away nsa