What is "Dialectical Naturalism"

Maybe I'm just dumb, but it doesn't seem to actually say anything which isn't better explained by materialism. For example, Bookchin says this in Social Ecology and Communalism:
Isn't this essentially just materialism? He literally describes how changing modes of production and the material interests of the actors involved let to the alteration of societal hierarchies to accommodate them, but then declares that this is somehow different. I don't get it.

Yes, it's likely that the emergence of patricentricity is related to material forces in history, however this is only one aspect of dialectical naturalism, which should be thought of like an expansion pack to the materialist conception of history, integrating its analysis while heavily modifying it by the dialectic of ideas. Remember that prior to patricentricity, Bookchin reasons the emergence of CULTURAL hierarchies, namely geronotocracy. We need to analyse both the material and cultural forces present in history, not crudely reduce all culture to a mere "superstructure" emitting from a material base. It's largely the opposite in fact: the emergence of a material surplus was predated by cultural hierarchies. This is the fundamental principle of dialectical naturalism.

Bookchin and communalism are memes, stay away from that shit

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This is the kind of quality posts you can expect from dead ideologues.

Yes, they have absolutely no power at all and they will never be able to spread socialism to the rest of the world.

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Wrong! There are literally millions of people organised according to Communalism in Rojava. To say they have no actual power, is to have a preposterously naive understanding of Middle Eastern geopolitics

It is nothing compared to the other nations in the region

I guess a population of over 4 million people doesn't exist. Thanks for opening my eyes.

Kys tankie.

Not an argument

That roughly the same as Lebanon and approaches Jordan.

It is located in a geopolitically invaluable location, and is well positioned to play other nations off of each other. This is obvious if you're paying attention to the US, Russian, Turkish, and Syrian responses to Rojava.

The reality is, you just don't see how historically significant what is happening in Rojava right now really is. The Middle East is starting to have its own Enlightenment.

dead ideologue

fuck, Bookchin memes are so good I actually have to read a book of his now

Bookchin memes are powerful.

Look no further.

Actually do. Bookchin and Ocalan wrote lot's of other good stuff.

working as intended

Thanks for the thread derailment, tankie. A truly valuable contribution, as always.

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Isn't that essentially just idealism again, where spooks such as cultural forces affect material reality?

No, whereas Marx sublated the idealism of Hegel, Bookchin's naturalism sublated the materialist conception of history. It is precisely naturalist, not idealist, in that Bookchin's dialectic is rooted in ontologically objective reality (i.e. nature). Hegel's quasi-theological idealism is quite different from naturalism.

Naturalist is one of those words with a lot of different meanings. What do you mean when you say it with respect to Bookchin?

"Nautralism" as in the idea that only natural (as opposed to supernatural) forces operate in the world. Like, how when Darwin referred to himself as a naturalist.

But if you say that culture has some sort of independent influence which can alter the material basis out of its own power and precedes it, are you not still essentially using the same logic where the immaterial determines the material?

It's not that it is reducible to either culture or material forces, but that anthropologically speaking the first hierarchies were cultural, so while material forces are important, if our understanding of the emergence of hierarchy and subsequent development of the "idea of dominating nature", then it follows that if we want to abolish hierarchy (the minimum required for living ecologically), then this isn't reducible to material forces.