So what's to stop tribalism if government was to collapse

So what's to stop tribalism if government was to collapse

Why do we need to stop tribalism?

Very little, let's hope it doesn't.


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You don't have to worry about them. They're old as fuck and fat for the most part. Instead, train and gather people on your own. It's easier to get young and healthy people for us because most socialists are young and able. All you have to do is train and tool up.

Well generally all the people with pretensions of being the new government are going to do their thing so it really depends on how that whole matter shakes out

When communism is achieved, there will be no use for tribalism.

What's leading people towards tribalism if the government collapses in the first place?

No talking about communism

Well prior to governments we were tribal

Well, then I suppose I don't know what you're implying by a government collapsing. Seeing as this is a leftist board, I assumed you meant a government collapsing from a socialist or anarchist revolution. In which case the end goal would be establishing communism.

Any sort of government collapse.

If there was an anarchist revolution and the government was dissolved, what is to stop people from being tribalistic and using violence/gangs to secure resources

Hey, I'm not going to disagree with you there about anarchists being ineffective. I'm an ML.

People seem to have more trust in local police and business institutions than anything "political"

Does the union of Egoists counts as Tribalism?

call it however you like but I will call mine union of egoists.

Yes true, what is to stop that local police/government from being a certain gang?

Not too familiar with Stirner could you elaborate?

me.

Stirner was a moron who is only remembered because Marx wrote a scathing critique of him. It's not worth elaborating.

individuals co-operating because they benefit each other. It is what it sounds like "union of egoists".

We were only tribal when our economic means of livelihood made that a good unit to manage our shit. When we were, say, hunter-gatherers or small subsistence farming communities a division of society among tribes of one way or another made sense, but it's not like that's the case today.

If the government collapses the factory, the store and the private farm are still there. People will still work in one of those, these units will still need a market to sell their shit and buy their necessities, they will still produce surplus, they will still need people to transport goods, etc. It would be just a matter of weeks or months until people form committees to guarantee safety from the eventual criminals and rioters, centers to guarantee the safe exchange of goods and officers sustained by taxes to guarantee the necessary structure for economic activity, and you'd have a government again.

Be more materialistic about this shit nigga goddamn

Police can't be maintained except by public funding and business institutions can't be taxed or forced to deal with hundreds of different tribes in order to get their product from one state to another. People don't have to trust the government, the government is a necessity of capitalism.

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Then tribalism is a spook. Anarchy is whats everywhere.

There's no use for tribalism today.

What about gangs controlling resources post collapse?

Oh, yeah, I'm with you there. There is no use for tribalism. I should have said people will see no use for tribalism once communism is achieved.

The only resource they can control in an age of mass commodification are natural resources, and there's no point in having those if you're not going to sell them and partake in regular market relations.

So in this case, the gangs are just the board of directors of a capitalist company.

They can also control territory through violence, stomp out competition etc

Clever girl.

Criminal and paramilitary factions controling territory exists even today, and usually they need to sustain themselves, guarantee resources and so on by governing a small economy or engaging in trade themselves. And of course, soldiers and people to administer those are sustained by charging people living in the territory they control. In that case, they're the government.
And if by some weird reason they just religiously want to remain segregated from society and slowly starve, then there is probably a more legitimate and business-encompassing public entity growing elsewhere ready to remove them and restore economic relations within their "territory", which would be a great plot for a post-apocalyptic movie.

What did he meme by this?

Is people waiting in line for a bus spontaneously "tribalism"? No, it's a union of egoists - everyone agrees to its conditions informally because what benefits all benefits the individuals involved. Tribalism is the retarded shit that happens when the union of egoists is taken as the basis for society and eventually corrupted by the development of traditions and the like.

A spook is nothing more than a formerly useful abstraction of the material come to be unchained, dominating the mind in its totality as a self-justified ruling principle.

I'm sorry I made one minor typo, deleted it, posted it again but not quoting the right post and then deleted it again. It's late

S'alright. Thought you were about to spam the thread tbh.