Do video games have any intrinsic value/useful return?

Camden Evans
Camden Evans

Video games seem like massive time wasters. I have yet to see any proof of muh hand-eye coordination, and if you want that, go shooting. So what do video games actually return? Don't tell me you waste so much just to have hedonistic fun?

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David Nelson
David Nelson

Everything people enjoy is a massive timewaster. Any attempts to attribute some higher virtue to the arts by the same people who lambast video games is desperate flailing. I'd certainly agree the majority of video games are low art however.

Nolan Perez
Nolan Perez

Does OP have any value?
OP seems like a massive homosexual. I have yet to see any proof of muh OP is not a faggot, and if you want someone who is not a faggot, you're not gonna get it from OP. So what does OP actually return? Don't tell me you waste so much oxigen just to live and suck dick, OP?

Cameron Bell
Cameron Bell

Video games, among other media such as literature related to robots and artificial intelligence, made me consider pursuing a scientific career seriously.
For this inspiring reason I hold such media in high regard, though I could have easily substituted video games with books or movies to get the same effect.
This also means I unfortunately don't have as much time to play video games.

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Sebastian Diaz
Sebastian Diaz

No and you should grow up and stop playing them so much.

Anthony Garcia
Anthony Garcia

Games can be used to teach a lot of things. A foreign language, basic math skills, historical events, typing skills, communication, teamwork, strategic and critical thinking, etc.

I used to struggle with typing until I started playing Jedi Outcast online in 2002, where all communication was done with typing because VoIP was basically non-existent or too bandwidth heavy for my 56k dial up.

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Blake Kelly
Blake Kelly

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Hunter Ross
Hunter Ross

No, video games are marxist-indoctrinating trash created by kikes

The sooner video games die, the better it’ll be for the white race

Zachary Harris
Zachary Harris

Nice try Chaim, back to the oven with you.

Liam Gutierrez
Liam Gutierrez

Way to prove him right. The industry has long been taken over.

Lucas Hernandez
Lucas Hernandez

That platforming one was my jam. Also the monster lab in the 4th building, good shit

What were the other two from activities from MB again?

Ayden Evans
Ayden Evans

All those "edutainment" games
The only ones to teach you anything are boring and lame as fuck
The only ones that are fun, teach you so little that they might as well not even be "educational"

Two that come to mind that are either of some real-world utility or teach you something which are fun and interesting are Foldit and Typing of the Dead.

Typing of the Dead is a pretty decent game for practicing typing skills, especially fast and accurate typing in the later levels where you're imputing short sentences of complex words or with tricky structure, but fails a bit as an educational tool by not counting punctuation, supplementary keyboard functions, or numbers. Foldit is a pretty decent puzzle game where you're trying to arrange a protein fold in order to reach the lowest energy state possible and get a score over-par - with the highest scores being uploaded and fed into an AI to teach it how to more efficiently fold proteins when testing new medicines/vaccines.

There's also a lot of cancerous games which have drops you can sell on the community market to make money, so those actually have an objective and quantifiable return on time invested.

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Nathan Powell
Nathan Powell

value
intrinsic
W E W
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W E W

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

Releasing stress for traumatized people.

Oliver Jones
Oliver Jones

The only ones to teach you anything are boring and lame as fuck
I feel it depends on your interest in the subject, as learning something can be the fun itself.
Do you have any examples of games that teach a decent amount, but are boring/lame?
I would like to try them.

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Zachary Lewis
Zachary Lewis

deeper meaning in vidya
topkek, kill yourself OP
video games are meant to be fun first and foremost, and to form fond memories of, especially when played with friends

Nicholas Stewart
Nicholas Stewart

All I can remember from it as a kid off the top of my head was that every time I would go up or down a ladder in that area, my computer would have some kind of error pop up but you could just close it and keep playing, and also I remember the game where you had to throw water balloons at some liquid alien dudes to manipulate them into going into the right tubes to complete math problems.

Michael Garcia
Michael Garcia

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Liam Russell
Liam Russell

Learn what intrinsic means.

Luis Morris
Luis Morris

video games can be part. The medium is perfectly conducive for art appreciation and showcase. The issue is that the medium is currently majorly for profit, and thus it is not entirely art, although it can easily be so.

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

They can teach you simple problem solving skills and multitasking, as well as mental agility Unless literally all you do is play vidya, then you're just conditioning yourself to only function in a vidya environment.
Let us lay down some examples.
TBS teaches you how to plan ahead
RTS teaches you to think on your feet
FPS teaches you how to prioritize and react to threats and, for classic FPS, lets you practice navigation skills (those mazes can be tricky).
Platformers can teach you… uh, pattern recognition? I'm at a loss here.
ARPGs are garbage clickfests.
Puzzle games teach you critical thinking and curiosity.
And that's all I've got. No idea what racing games would teach you.

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

Just wanted to add that vidya is mostly just entertainment so please do not actually expect to get anything of value other than a good time.

Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

The entire point of human life is to have hedonistic fun.

Mason Morris
Mason Morris

Vidya is entertainment, I mean sure My Summer Car has the bare minimum basics you need to build an engine and simulate what happens when you fuckup but it doesn't teach you everything. However vidya gaems can be designed specifically for veterans who are shell shocked and the results are far better then the old school way of treatment.
Anything else beyond that really boils down to the type of game you play, the fully autistic games will teach you more over time but half the skills it'll teach you can be pretty useless like perfect fortress setups.

Tyler Adams
Tyler Adams

DotA 2 is a microcosm of everything. Memory, planning with and against other people, execution. But most people play it unconsciously so it only serves as a ruinous distraction as they rage, day after day, never cognizant of their actions. It all depends on the person and if they're aware of their different mental faculties at play.

Jason Harris
Jason Harris

Movies seem like massive time wasters. I have yet to see any proof of muh cultured thoughts, and if you want that, go to a museum. So what do movies actually return? Don't tell me you waste so much just to have hedonistic fun?

Books seem like massive time wasters. I have yet to see any proof of muh intellectual prowess, and if you want that, go debate. So what do books actually return? Don't tell me you waste so much just to have hedonistic fun?

Paintings seem like massive time wasters. I have yet to see any proof of muh beauty appreciation, and if you want that, go outside. So what do paintings actually return? Don't tell me you waste so much just to have hedonistic fun?

Sports seem like massive time wasters. I have yet to see any proof of muh Excersize, and if you want that, go running. So what do Sports actually return? Don't tell me you waste so much just to have hedonistic fun?

Leo Russell
Leo Russell

muh waste of time
I highly doubt all your time is spent productively, OP. The fact that you made this lazy shitpost thread is proof of that.

Angel Hall
Angel Hall

Nothing. They are a waste of time and that's why I stopped playing them.

Jordan Ross
Jordan Ross

Dis is my life makes me whole all at one

Jeremiah Lee
Jeremiah Lee

<<14549075
(1) and done op
No (You)s for you, find something better to do than fish for replies on the internet like a fat girl desperate for people to call her pretty.

When I was a toddler my mother set me up with some PC games meant to teach kids how to do basic math, later on she would encourage me to figure out how many of a certain color of gems I would need for a specific total in Spyro. I plan to do the same for my kids as feel it gave me a jump start on my school career.
I learned tidbits of history from various TBSs, some of which caused me to seek out more from what interested me. Most of what I learned from TBSs was geography, it's a lot easier to recall what and where a location is when you've interacted with it in some manner that isn't some teacher trying to hammer it into your head.
Zoo Tycoon exposed me to mods, and many animals I had never heard of, along with various zoology trivia from the games "bestiary". Also I learned that hippos are crocodiles natural predator.
From RPGs I picked up roleplaying, while taking the role of a character I learned how reason out their motivations and reasons for doing/thinking whatever they are. Thanks to this I find it easy to put myself in someone else's shoes, a skill which a surprisingly high amount of people lack.

Video games can be a great teaching tool, so long as the only agendas involved in their creation are to make a fun game and to teach.

Liam Miller
Liam Miller

image
"apparent insensitivity to pain"
isn't a picture of Snake killing The Pain

missed opportunity tbh

Parker Sanders
Parker Sanders

Video games, like shitposting online, are an addictive, but cancerous waste of time that could have been spent doing something actually productive. In return for enjoying vidya, your precious brief moment of life across the infinite expanse of an empty void of nothingness is being fruitlessly chipped away.

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Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

That doesn't work with faggot texting. Faggot.

Christian Adams
Christian Adams

the realisation of oh god you wasted your life

you're right

YOU'RE COMPLETELY RIGHT

Josiah Brown
Josiah Brown

Video Games drive hardware development. Which trickles up to higher end sectors. Since gamers are the biggest spenders in the hardware market, they fund chip designers for the enterprise market.

This has always been the case. The Commodore 64 was the first computer in history to market to gamers specifically and it ended up becoming the single best selling computer model of all time. It had superior sound and graphics capabilities to the IBM PC when it was first released. Microsoft realized this importance early on since they supplied the version of 6502 BASIC for the C64. Video games drive the industry.

Austin Campbell
Austin Campbell

time wasted having fun is not a wasted time

Charles Hernandez
Charles Hernandez

Simple yet true

John Jackson
John Jackson

Just about everything by Zachtronics has a heavy focus on programming/logic puzzles from what I've heard. My preferred is Brain Workshop, simple open source game typically played in short sessions daily. it's been helpful learning to multitask and focus more effectively. Tracks your progress through each session and adjusts difficultly accordingly. Most relaxing MKULTRA training program ever played 9/10. brainworkshop.sourceforge.net

Isaiah Carter
Isaiah Carter

I already study programming, lift, run, read, and draw. Why am I not allowed to have my vidya, OP? Are you a 55-year old man mad about those damn kids and their 8-tracks with the hippy hop music?

Austin Long
Austin Long

RTS teaches you economy, simple warfare tactics and map reading.

Pretty much strategy games are a treasure trove and I would say they are better than chess.

Austin Flores
Austin Flores

they're fun

Hudson Baker
Hudson Baker

why bother reading fiction books?
why bother playing sports?
why bother talking with people about things unrelated to work?
why bother posting on Holla Forums?
All these have no "intrinsic value" by your metric, OP, and the last one makes you a hypocrite.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

Okay mister (1) and done, I'll bite. Vidya is…
More engaging than watching movies
More challenging than bar sports
More fulfilling than watching sportsball
More fun than nature walks
More interesting than modern art and literature
More community driven than social media
And more valuable than collecting antiques
Do you know why, faggot? #1 reason is because vidya immerses you with gameplay and requires you to overcome challenges, set goals, and get good, all in a pretty package with good enough graphics, sound, and story that facilitate the gameplay. And if there is little to no gameplay…there's a reason we came up with terms like "walking simulator."

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Christian Taylor
Christian Taylor

I learnes English by playing mostly RPGs so at least for me games have value beyond just dumb entertainment

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

Games are just entertainment like tv and movies, unless you're a full time streamer or esports pro you're not going to get any real life reward from playing video games and you shouldn't expect to.

Robert Wright
Robert Wright

videogames are kiddie shit, life is about getting laid & marrying a woman & taking care of her children

Evan Ward
Evan Ward

Even shitposting is better use of time than video games. Even as toys for little children video games are actively harmful. Everyone would be better off without them.

Eli Nelson
Eli Nelson

Back to cuckchan, faggot.

Lucas Clark
Lucas Clark

this thread is still up

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Thomas Garcia
Thomas Garcia

Chess is a meme game anyway, Checkers beats it in every way

Elijah Brooks
Elijah Brooks

t. sub-50 IQ brainlet

Jordan Torres
Jordan Torres

ure just dum lol

Joshua Morales
Joshua Morales

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